Tim's paranoia since hearing the chants from the crowd last night has provoked Alex to revert to behaviour he displayed with Sandy and Adele eg maligning other HMs.

Alex has said himself that the reaction Adele received from the crowd on her eviction was probably due to the views she expressed about HMs behind their backs, displaying the reverse of this to their faces.

Tim has also demonstrated a willingness to disparage
HMs who he sees as beneath him. Is Alex so silly as not to be able to make this connection.

Surely he can see that this could damage his popularity with fans.

Before some of the less than charitable forum members start accusing me of bias. I would like to see Alex, Kate and Jonny as the final 3 HMs as they have provided me with the most entertainment although they have also infuriated me at times. I have yet to decide who I want to win but Kate is edging it at the moment.

no he is not but he could do

SO VOTE TIM OUT

They all talk about HM's behind the backs. What Tim and Alex are doing is the same as what Kate and Jonny have done. Adele was not booed because of being 2faced (all the HM's are guilty of that.) the public could put up with that and I personally don't think what she was doing was too bad, but what people couldn't stomach was the bullying of Sophie, nobody likes a bully which is what Jade, Adele and Tim were doing. That is why Adele was booed and was disliked. So for Tim and Alex to natter about HM's is not as damaging as what people make it out to be because sooner or later the others will do their nattering soon. Everyone talks about people behind their backs even about familes and their close friends.

Apologies Drifting but I have to disagree, majority of interviews, articles, forum threads, web chats i have seen indicate it was the 2 faced nature of Adeles behaviour that was objectionable.

I accept that Adele played a minor role in the Sophie baiting incidents but the major player was Jade, therefore if your argument was to hold water it would have been Jade who was evicted rather than Adele.

I further accept that all housemates indulging in backbiting, but in my opinion not to the extent of Tim and sadly Alex (at the moment).

I am yet to be convinced that Alex and Tim have formed this so-called 'Sandy' bond. Tim is much more sociable with the rest of the house than Sandy ever was. He is less spiteful, believe it or not. Expressing exasperation at childish antics might be a bit 'sniffy', but it's merely an expression of opinion, and no worse that what other HMs say about each other. Alex isn't persuaded into morose hatred by Tim's discomfort!
I really think their basic 'friendship' is being grossly blown out of proportion. The fact that Alex doesn't demonstrate impeccable judgement in choosing his friends is overshadowed by his ability to stick by someone, even when they are clearly unpopular. He doesn't simply attach himself to the most popular-seeming person in the house to curry public favour and does not appear to fear being alone if necessary.

It's not Tim damaging Alex's chances... Alex chooses to hang around with these people, so it's his own fault if it does screw it up for him.

I don't think it will though.

Someone made an interesting point about how Alex starts to act a lot more like Kate and Jonny when he's had a bit to drink. Almost as if he forgets that his mum might be watching and starts hanging out with naughty ones, rather than ones he thinks his parents would like.

Well for me personally the bullying was the biggest factor for why I didn't like Adele. I thought although you have pointed out many disliked the 2faced side of her I was wrong fair enough, I could live with people talking about peoples back as long as it was harmless and not nasty, but for me I didn't like Adele because of the bullying which I thought was worse and more than Jade bullying although Jade did more, Adele was supposed to be educated and bit more mature. I know that sounds very stereotyping and I probably get a lot of stick now but that is what I feel anyway.

I think if Alex in the public mind becomes associated with being on Tim's side against the would be comedians team of Kate and Jonny, then yes this will do his public appeal considerable harm. Being closely linked to an unpopular person certainly can't do you much good, and may in the end be just enough to see him losing out to either Kate or Jonny for the star prize.

In no way am I suggesting Alex should "drop his friend" only that he should consider invoking his no gossiping stance which he has used with Jade following his interpretation of the damage it had caused Adele.

Well PJ would have liked to have been in the house with Tim and not Alex. So it didn't harm his reputation last night.

You're quite right in a lot of respects....but Tim 'has' become a replacement 'Adele' for Alex.....as if he didn't learn the first time!....................he has his momnets of being fun to watch but then Tim is off somewhere sulking.....Alex has the unfortunate habit of being friends with the kind of people he knows his parents would approve of....even though he appears happier and more carefree when he's 'playing with the naughty children'!......so YES to the question about Tim damaging alex's chances of winning......but i see it only as a temporary thing...after all Tim will be gone on Friday, if he doesn't walk before.....................
(the above is purely my own opinion, folks!)

No damage - Next to Tim anyone looks good.

If Adelle was hated purely because she was two faced then it's a case of national mass hypocrisy.

I agree that Alex seems happy when playing around, acting naughty, etc - but I don't see Tim as Alex's new Adele. Alex clearly likes to forge close bonds with people and is good one-on-one and in more serious conversations, for example. Tim provides this for him, but he is no where near as close as he was with Adele. Tim isn't his 'morning' friend for starters.
If Alex is seen as buggering up his chances of winning BB3 by hanging out with someone 'unpopular' (although until last night, no-one knew this of course), then it is more an indictment of us, as sticking by friends is surely the honourable thing to do. It is also proof that Alex is more interested in being himself than being what the public wants him to be.

Sorry to disagree with you again Drifting, but PJ said that he would nominate Jade and Tim for eviction this week as although he hadn't got on with Alex in the early weeks he had grown on him and he hoped Alex had been genuine (paraphased).

No!

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Its at the end-game stage where group dynamics wont come into play. its all on personality. Tims effect on Alex ( or any of the housemates for that matter), is not going to be positive watchable or interesting.

By association alone, he is going to bring down alex's image.
Plus, without Tim , the unseen divide setup by the Jonny/Kate Tim/Alex split wouldnt be quite as strong. And as per the comment where alex is willing to be more playful and let his hair down with Jonny and Kate, this would change it to a each on their own merit situation. With Jade still in the house. She has contributed plenty and can hold her own.

Then it would be a more watchable over the final parts.

With Tim in, it would be a lot more negative, contrived, with everyone having their guard up. He has already expressed what his opinion is of the other housemates having a laugh or enjoying themselves.

Tim is this weeks unseen divide.


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With sneaking suspicion Tims supporters havent undergone the interminable E4 coverage.

eh? You are not making sense! Jade instigated the bullyibg of Sophie, did more vicious bullying than the others, with physical threat, all this which I am sure you can't deny, yet you say that Adele's bullying of Sophie was worse? How do you compute that?

Very simple Adele laughed and encouraged her and bullied Sophie as well, Adele is supposed to be clever, more mature so she must have known the damage being done, therefore Adele was worse.

Jade compared Sophie's genitalia to her own toy monkey.

It beggars belief that anyone would say the people who laughed at that are actually worse than Jade. That comment was entirely the creation of Jade's jealous mind and needed no encouragement.
Some will say that a swift rebuke to Jade would have set her straight about how to behave. Again, I really doubt that. It is impossible to get across criticism Jade with any lasting effect *, as many in the house have found out.

* unless you are codenamed Myagi


On topic.

Tim's continued presence will damage Alex, which is what I now think Tim wants, as he didn't win his own bet to bed Kate.

So basically you can't prove that Adele was worse than Jade. Adele laughed with Jade, she didn't encourage her, just as PJ and Alex (who were there also) didn't encourage Jade. Jade found an audience and exploited it. Jade was the main bully protagonist and did worse than anyone else. If there was no Jade in the house, there would be no bullyig of Sophie. Jade dragged everyone else with her, so you can't deduce that the others did worse than her, unless you are talking through your prejudice.

I thought like a many other people that Adele did do some of the bullying. She laughed and sniggered when Sophie talked etc. I am not saying that Jade wasn't bad, I am saying that Adele did play a part and she did let Jade carry on and encourage her to bully Sophie and if Adele doesn't know that was wrong then I am giving her too much credit for being clever. Anyway I thought this was about Tim and Alex saying about how it would damage Alex being friends with Tim, which was what my first post was about. You cant say one word about Saint Adele who did nothing wrong in the house.

And no one denied that Adele didn't take part!! I was challenging your assertion that you voted for Adele because she was WORSE than Jade in bullying Sophie, which is FALSE!!

And I was replying to *your* point about Adele/Jade/Sophie.

I actually voted for Jonny because I don't like him and don't ask me to say why because I don't know why I don' t like him. Sorry to all Jonny fans. In my eyes I think Adele is worse not because of the amount of bullying she did but because she must have known what the consequences would have been to Sophie. Where as Jade was not clever enough to think that through and for a 21 year old is slightly immature.

The public see hm's when they talk behind other hm's backs The difference (to me) is the disparaging way that Adele, Jade, Sandy, Tim and Alex go about it. Kate, Jonny and PJ have done their fair share of talking behind backs - but (in the context of the game) in a more acceptable manner. What I don't understand is why people make excuses for Alex's involvement.
Surley he shoul be accountable for his part - he's admited himself that Adele had the same views as him. He agrees with Tim's views of hm's. I had to laugh while watching the conversation between Alex and Tim in the bedroom last night. Tim was saying how he felt about hearing the chant of 'get Tim out' at the end when Tim said 'I think I'll just walk' Alex instead of trying to talk him out of it said....'What'll happens to me if you go' That's Alex for ya!

Why he's popular at all is a mystery to me.

EXACTLY! Alex has made his choices in the house. His best mates happen to have been the 3 most obnoxious characters in many peoples view. What does this say about Alex?