I hope so. After watching BB the past week, I am starting to think Alex and Jonny doesn't deserve to win!

That leaves Kate as my favourite, and I wouldn't mind if Jade wins.

It says to me - Alex is damaging Alex's chances of winning

Alex is old news - no way is he gonna win now. He was totally vicious and self-centred when Sandy was there. People kept him in for novelty value, but the novelty has long since worn off.

My predictions are:

Tim out next week

Alex next

Then Jonny ... Kate

Jade to win

I wish that could be true except I will have Kate to win and Jade second place, but I can't see it happening that way!

I do think that Tim can damage Alex's chances of winning. Alex has teamed up with the most disliked housemates, unfortunately. I'm not sure that he is a very good judge of character, and is far too trusting and loyal once he thinks of someone as a friend. I believe Tim knows this and is at the moment trying to show all the HM's in a bad light and I believe he will betray Alex (or anyone else). However, Alex's loyalty to his friends (however, misplaced) is one of the character traits that his supporters (myself included) like.

Tim stuck his wooden spoon in by telling Johnny and PJ (with Kate there) about "follow the van". Although Alex had not told him too much about the game, he sneakily pretended to be asleep in order to find out about it. I think that Tim told Johnny about this in order to cause more friction between him and Alex and also at the same time cause friction between Kate and Johnny.

I hope and think Tim will be evicted next week and Alex won't led astray any further.

Unfortunately, for us Alex fans he is very easily swayed by friends, although he will stand against the crowd, especially in support of what he thinks of as a friend. I think this is because Alex is happier in small groups of two or three and does not like large noisy groups.

Heres hoping Alex has a good drink and lets his hair down a bit more so we can see the best of him (eg falling of the sofa, talking to the bathroom mirrors, in the diary room telling himself that he is pissing himself off etc).

Hello everyone. I've been lurking for a while but felt compelled to reply to this post so this is my first post.

I agree that disparaging remarks are unpleasant and unnecessary. However, remarks that have been made by PJ, Spencer and Jonny regarding Alex have been far worse than anything Alex has said. I will list a few:

Jonny referred to Alex as a poof after the Weegate incident with Spencer and PJ referring to him as mincing. Jonny also said that he would bake Alex a cake and shit in the middle as well as wishing to knock his head off.

Whilst on the poor side, either Spencer or PJ wrote on the table "Alex sucks c..ks" which Alex saw and told Adele about. When Alex didn't pick PJ to go on the poor side, during PJ rant, he said, among other things, he wanted to 'Chin' Alex. I could go on but I think you have the general idea.

Now as far as I'm concerned this is not a more acceptable form of being disparaging. In their typical oafish manner they did not only threaten to get physical, so strong were their emotions to Alex, but they also cast aspersions as to his sexual orientation. Tim, Alex, Sandy were critical of the antics of the likes of Jonny, Kate et al and get exasperated by it all the time.

Candy

And a very worthy first post too... hope that quite a few Alex haters see it...

Mireille

Why do people think ,that other people make Alex act the way he does. He is quite capable in being a nasty peice of work.
He showed that when he was with Sandy, Adele and now with Tim. Making excuses for him should be left to his Mother.
He has sid he held the same opinon's as Adele.So get real folk's, see the Guy for what he is. A self centered arrogant Mommy's boy. Oh, I forgot. Mommy's Poppy .

When has he been a "nasty piece of work"... ???

He hasnt threatened anyone... He's been plodding along... being himself... Jonny (refer to post above) has been a nasty piece of work... jade has... PJ has... adele to a lesser extent...

Mireille

From day one he has been a nasty peice of work.
He was part of all the backstabbing,Enjoyed the job done on Sophie Don't you remember.those 2 fuc**r's about Kate and Jonny,I couldn't bear to be over the poor side with the 2 of them.
Leaving Kate on the poor side.Why has he done this, because in my world,nice people don't behave like that. and if some one did, we would call them NASTY.

I think we need to get some perspective here. I find Alex generally inoffensive, but 'weak' and 'wet', and has generally supported, through his friendships in the house, the more obnoxious HM's in my view. i,e Tim, Adele and Sandy.

He was not part of the back stabbing against Sophie. He defended her on at least 2 occasions that I remember... saying in his book "the girl has done nothing wrong" and hiding under the covers when the bitching was going on. Adele encouraged Jade, alex didnt.

The 2 F......ers comment I dont remember put it into context...

Leaving Kate on the poor side... Well I personnally see that as not beeing 2 faced (a thing that he has regularly been accused on in threads) he didnt like kate, she didnt like him... why should he have invited her along? to please the public?

Mireille

I will attempt to answer the original question - Is Tim Damaging Alex's chances?
with a question of my own.

Has anyone else noticed that when Alex isn't around, Tim makes small remarks to the others about Alex in an underhand way.

For instance, Alex has just retired to bed and Jonny then said to the others 'I think Alex has got hold of the wrong end of the stick regarding me forcing you to take a telephone call'. Tim then replied. I was dying to take the call' with an expression on his face that said 'want was that all about'. He then said I'll explain it to Alex tomorrow'.

In my opinion that was Tim attempting to make it look like he wasn't saying something negative about Alex. I read Alex as sticking up for his friend - after all, Tim was protesting that he didn't want to take the call. Even Jade said 'Alex was concerned'.

Earlier today whilst speaking to Jonny in the garden about the remark thrown over the garden wall, he was attempting to explain inverted snobbery and then said 'I mean Alex is always going on about how he was bullied at school...'. This conversation had nothing to do with Alex but again he tries to bring Alex into the conversation in an attempt to contrast himself against Alex or to deflect a perceived criticism of his stance and he has done this a few times during the past week.

Now may be I'm seeing something that isn't there but it's interesting that he always gives these throw away remarks when Alex isn't around. This seems to me to be a bit underhanded. Meanwhile, Alex on the other hand doesn't say anything against Tim. Watch and listen carefully! I think that Tim is trying curry favour with the others whilst criticising them to Alex by implying 'look at me - I'm better than Alex'. He is trying to play them off each other.

Candy

and BTW not saying he is perfect, far from it!!! but surely dont think he is nasty!!

Mireille

Candice, I am so glad that someone else has noticed how sneaky Tim is being as I have outlined in my post on this thread. But I think he is stirring it with all the HMs, trying to make them all look bad, not just Alex. But as Alex is supposedly his friend in the house it really winds me up.

You are such a big Alex fan, you shouldn't need any thing put into context.

LOL... am no fan, I prefer him to others yes, but wouldnt waste 25p on any of them...

Of course you have to put things into context, I dont remember alex saying it, so I thought a context might jig up my memory...
As far as I am aware english people use the f word a lot... and it can have lots of different meanings

Mireille

first 'follow the van' night with Kate - Tim stayed awake and then told PJ & Jonny about it...made Alex sound like a pervert/rapist..'takes advantage of Kate when she's drunk'....then suggests that PJ do the same thing - go to bed early and pretend to snore...Alex & Kate must have sussed him as they talked endlessly about traffic law violations.

Tim is a nasty little git who is the equal of Jade on a bad day..I hope Alex gets to find out what Tim did - it'll wise him up bit about choosing friends.

further to the 'van' it's gone missing - Alex reckons Jade stole it this morning and gave it to Jonny (no proof) he's quite cool about it (doesn't know how jealous Jonny is) - but maybe Jade just stole it and kept it as she desparately wanted Alex to play 'van' with her.

c

Totally agree. Was just going to post the same message myself and you had already spotted it. Tim now wants to be best buddies with "Tweedledum and Tweedledee" as he referred to them yesterday. I hope Alex is enough of his own person and astute enough to notice that Tim is trying to curry favour with the rest of them then they won't nominate him on Monday. Notice how they all encouraged Jade to go off to the DR to ask if nominations were on Monday, Tim originally asked the question, taken up by the others and off Jade went. He's worse/cleverer than Adele. If Alex doesn't see through Tim then he doesn't deserve to win (and I have rooted for him from Week 1) Come on Alex, wise up!!

Well I'm not an Alex 'Fan' (not a fan of any of 'em really), but I gotta admit that I have enjoyed watching him in the house.

To answer the original question, yes, I think Tims influence could damage his chances.

For someone supposidly so well travelled and experienced Alex shows an almost unbelievable lack of judgement in close confidants.

Still hilarious when p*ssed though....

Yes Tim was nice enough to say Alex takes full advantage of it..that to me suggests far more than has actually occurred and is even more of a lie.

About the stolen van, in another thread called ' follow the van' (of course) Amber2000 said that she saw Jade take it during the battery change and give it to Jonny, who put it in his cabinet.

So it really is a case of If I can't play...nobody plays. What a pair of sh**s...

Watcher,

Unfortunately I don't think he'll spot it. Not unless he hears something because it goes on behind his back so why would he? I hope I'm wrong. It seems to me that when Alex gives his allegiance to someone he sticks by it. It has to be fairly obvious for Alex to see the duplicity in others. Once he's alerted to the fact, then he is on guard and won't trust nor forget (take Jade) but until then he goes on trusting. This is what makes me think he is the most honest in there. I'm not saying that he doesn't get concerned about the perceptions that the outside world or that others may have of him, but this is usually when something happens - for instance, his antics when he gets drunk or the booing that Adele got. In the case of Adele, he then worried that by association ... other than that he just carries on doing his own thing, not trying to curry favour with anyone. Other people in there are constantly aware and thinking about the games that other HM may be playing as well as constantly wondering about what the viewers are thinking or how the BB game works.

Candy

Granted, the homophobic remarks are disparaging. BTW, did the cameras ever show the writing on the table or do we just have Alex's word for that? I only ask.
PJ threatning to 'chin' Alex was said in anger, he didn't actually - like Adele did with Jade, say it to his face which would have been an outright threat/confrontation.

Alex, started the hostile feelings in the BB house with his constant whinging. Alex started the bitching - with Adele joining in. Alex, along with Sandy, named Kate the whore of BB house and Oooh, how that disparaging remark was kept alive any time Alex and Adele had their alone time 'on camera'. And now, Tim (who don't forget had seen first couple of weeks of BB and knew Alex and Adele's opinion of Kate - and the general opinion of Sophie too, come to think of it, was welcomed into Alex and Adele's little 'clique'. At least, Alex knew how hm's felt about him which gave him the opportunity to confront them about it at the time. Kate doesn't know Alex called her a whore, but the public do. The public also seen the sicking bullying of Sophie which Alex condoned by his non intervention. The public see the hm's and make their minds up about who they like or dislike. It seemed to me that Alex and Adele during their many, tete a tete - thought it necessary to highlight what they saw as hm's 'faults' in a...'I hope the public are getting the message, kinda way' The public WERE watching, and didn't need 'constant' reminding by Alex and Adele, thank you very much!
The kicker is, personally, I don't find any of the hm's that entertaining or interesting, and I find myself defending certain hm's only because I've been sickened by what I perceive to be, constant,vindictive/malicious remarks made by Alex and his 'friends' in the BB house. Plus, the 'anti Jonny' 'Alex friends' making him look bad' threads on this forum.
I'm not buying into the 'Alex's friends' make him look bad' Alex should be accountable for his actions, Adele wasn't having private chats with herself, she had plenty of feedback from Alex.

In the final analysis. if you had a mind to count the number of times the bitching and disparaging remarks that Alex and his 'friends' have made, compared to any made by say - Kate, Jonny, PJ
I think you'll find Alex and his 'friends' win by a veeeeeery long way.

Sugahiccup

Thanks for the response. I don't have a problem with people gossiping. In fact, that's when you get to know what people's true feelings are and some of the disparaging comments are quite funny. I think they are all playing the game that is BB and to gossip, in my opinion, is human nature - it's how one forms alliances and is done by everyone in society. They are merely reflecting us.

Having said that however, I was responding directly to your assertion that Jonny et al's disparaging remarks were not as disparaging as Alex's. Without repeating myself I beg to differ. There are numerous other examples that I could give, but I fear that I would appear too anal retentive. As far as I have seen, and I do watch the live coverage a lot. Alex's are far milder.

Yes he whinges like an old woman. I find that funny because within the whinging he comes out with some blinders and generally he's funny. I think essentially he is a nice person and a lot of his complaints are in attempt to control his environment but they don't just benefit him they are also to the benefit the others. As for the divide I think that this stems from the different frame of referance that Alex, Adele, Sandy and to some extent Tim share as well as similar interests and mindset. Jonny, Kate, Allison and the others to a lesser extent only want to jump and prance about the place. To me, if I were in the bb house I would find that irritating and would be far more interested with less play and more conversation to get to know each other for starters.

As Alex said, he didn't come into the house thinking he wouldn't get on with others. Alex's sin was to dare to call a house meeting and suggest that the men should lift the toilet seat and not pee all over it. To me that was a request for basic decency. It could have been responded to either positively or negatively. Some chose to see it negatively and that's were the trouble started.

The problem with Alex as I see it, is that he winges on a little too long. But that's not a crime it can be irritating granted. So to sum up, they all back stab, gossip, try to form alliances. It is a game show but where Alex is transparent, Jonny is covert operating under a blanket of cheeky chappy and he has passed some very disparaging remarks, not only to Alex but to the women too.

Oh by the way, I could swear that it was Jade who named her the whore of the house. Sandy, in the garden, likened her to the tigeress (or some animal) who would have everyone's cubs.

With regard to the remark on the table. No they didn't screen it. If I were them I wouldn't either but given the other jokes they were making whilst on the poor side, for example, keep your backside to the wall when Alex is around, I tend to believe Alex and have no reason not to.

One more thing, if you stay up late and watch E4, it is during this time that Jonny elicits a lot of information from others, introduces topics to find out other people's mindset. He does listen a lot, but it is in the moments that he lets slip his mask that you see he is really quite nasty. I tend to look at the sub-text of a conversation and people's motives. I don't say I am right but this is how I read it. Alex is just a whinger but that is not the sum person that he is. He has far more depth to his character. I don't want to slate Jonny because of his fans but I'm not buying the cheeky character that he tries so hard to portray.

Candy
Last edited by Candice : 14-07-2002 at 14:10

After watching Alex and Tim moaning this afternoon on E4, about how they are viewed by the public, dislike of fellow HM's,
worried about their parents etc, I am now convinced his influence is having a detrimental effect.