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mullen
14-07-2002
I have had enough of all the anti-Jonny posts. It doesn't matter what the man does, he is always wrong. He takes the phone call, he's selfish. He gives Tim the call, he's acting. How pathetic.

Most of the Jonny-haters blatantly want Alex to win. If you want Alex to win that badly, why not pick up on some nice, positive, altruistic things that he has done and start a thread on that? You are all coming across as very immature people.
SugarHiccup
14-07-2002
Hear, Hear!!

Totally agrea
Supernova
14-07-2002
Jonny, is the most slimey housemate ever to frequent the Big Brother House.
spearish
14-07-2002
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“Originally posted by SuperNova
Jonny, is the most slimey housemate ever to frequent the Big Brother House. ”

WOW what a well thought out and reasoned response THAT will really make me vote jonny out .....
Double
14-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by mullen
I have had enough of all the anti-Jonny posts. It doesn't matter what the man does, he is always wrong. He takes the phone call, he's selfish. He gives Tim the call, he's acting. How pathetic.

Most of the Jonny-haters blatantly want Alex to win. If you want Alex to win that badly, why not pick up on some nice, positive, altruistic things that he has done and start a thread on that? You are all coming across as very immature people.
”

déja vu

That cuts both ways Mullen, and if you want to be fair you'd see that too.

There are threads devoted to praising all the main contenders. This is a campaign though..and all partisans are entitled to criticise their rival's actions. What you've said about Jonny's choices could easily be applied to any of the HMs actions in the house and has.


I see threads and post that misquote or blatantly misrepresent various HMs...get in there and fight back if you care so much.
Supernova
14-07-2002
I think the Jonny fans are just getting a little frustraited as they have no real argument to put across.
mullen
14-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by SuperNova
Jonny, is the most slimey housemate ever to frequent the Big Brother House. ”

That is exactly what I'm talking about! Read your post back SuperNova. How do you think that comes across? If you want to say that you think Jonny is X because he did Y, fair enough. All I would expect is that you (a) base it on fact, and (b) back up your comment.

Don't feel that you have to - I don't make the rules up. I just think your point would appear more valid as opposed to how it looks now.
Indo
14-07-2002
I can't stand Jonny, but I am now disliking the rest of them as well. They are a very boring bunch.
Bunter
14-07-2002
is this how a forum works?

other posters tell you what to discuss.


right can everyone stop talking about Big Brother please.I want to discuss the weather.
In North London at the moment there isn't a cloud in the sky.
Supernova
14-07-2002
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“Originally posted by mullen


That is exactly what I'm talking about! Read your post back SuperNova. How do you think that comes across? If you want to say that you think Jonny is X because he did Y, fair enough. All I would expect is that you (a) base it on fact, and (b) back up your comment.

Don't feel that you have to - I don't make the rules up. I just think your point would appear more valid as opposed to how it looks now.
”

Fair point. But if you do a search on my previous posts, you'll find lots of valid argument backing-up my dislike towards Jonny.
mromega
14-07-2002
I too am getting a bit sick and tired of some of the posting on the forum.

It is fine to criticise people for a reason. I.e. Calling Tim a racist after the joke he made, calling Jade two-faced for her comments in the house, calling Jonny on his acting in the house, if that is what you believe he is doing.

But it is another thing to just make one line comments that have no justification.

I've just got in from a five hour shift at work and had to work through countless threads that are just slagging off the housemates for the sake of it.

Everybody is allowed their opinions, but at least have something to back it up with.
mullen
14-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by Bunter
is this how a forum works?

other posters tell you what to discuss.


right can everyone stop talking about Big Brother please.I want to discuss the weather.
In North London at the moment there isn't a cloud in the sky.
”

If you read my last post you will see that I am NOT telling people what they can and cannot post. Rather, I am suggesting ways to give an argument more validity.

Surely it's not just me who is bored with reading people's made-up rubbish about Jonny? Fair enough if you don't like the bloke, but every other thread seems to be about how evil Jonny is.

(To SuperNova): fair enough, I'm not having a go at you personally.
mromega
14-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by SuperNova


Fair point. But if you do a search on my previous posts, you'll find lots of valid argument backing-up my dislike towards Jonny.
”

Quote them in the post you are making then. People do not have the time and inclination to go through every one of your posts to see foundation for your arguments.
Elysium
14-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by Bunter
is this how a forum works?

other posters tell you what to discuss.


right can everyone stop talking about Big Brother please.I want to discuss the weather.
In North London at the moment there isn't a cloud in the sky.
”

It seems to be the new "dumbing-down" argument of Jonny supporters who have failed [repeatedly] to argue his corner.. “we’re just sick and tired of having our beloved Jonny spoken about in a negative light.. “ oh diddums, poor them.. don’t they have the ability to add certain people to their ignore-list .. and/or simply keep out of any “Jonny” related threads..
mullen
14-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by Elysium


It seems to be the new "dumbing-down" argument of Jonny supporters who have failed [repeatedly] to argue his corner.. “we’re just sick and tired of having our beloved Jonny spoken about in a negative light.. “ oh diddums, poor them.. don’t they have the ability to add certain people to their ignore-list .. and/or simply keep out of any “Jonny” related threads..
”

Hang on a minute, are you saying that Jonny supporters should keep out of Jonny-related threads? That makes sense.
Elysium
14-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by mullen


Hang on a minute, are you saying that Jonny supporters should keep out of Jonny-related threads? That makes sense.
”

If it continues to upset, then yes.. and by the number of "why does no one like Jonny" threads that have been making an appearance, you can see how badly some have been affected by it..
Supernova
14-07-2002
I think the problem we have here is that the Jonny fans can't see the argument that is being put across. They think that the anti-Jonny threads are irrational as they can't see through his act. Thus creating an atmosphere where it looks like Jonny is being victimised for no apparent reason.
Mad Paro Cat
14-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by mullen
I have had enough of all the anti-Jonny posts. It doesn't matter what the man does, he is always wrong. He takes the phone call, he's selfish. He gives Tim the call, he's acting. How pathetic.

Most of the Jonny-haters blatantly want Alex to win. If you want Alex to win that badly, why not pick up on some nice, positive, altruistic things that he has done and start a thread on that? You are all coming across as very immature people.
”

then don't come on the forum anymore then, no-one FORCES you to read those posts, it's all about opinions isn't it?
mullen
14-07-2002
I don't really care how many people like Jonny on this forum. If you don't like him, fine. All I am bored with is the volume of threads that are either about or degenerate into a "slag Jonny off" exercise.

And to Double... it would take all day to "get in there and fight back" if I tried to defend every anti-Jonny post. Even if I did, there is no point arguing with some people. From reading most of the anti-Jonny posts, the comments made aren't based on fact anyway. Have you ever tried arguing with someone who has an opinion and won't change it no matter what the facts are?
Elysium
14-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by SuperNova
I think the problem we have here is that the Jonny fans can't see the argument that is being put across. They think that the anti-Jonny threads are irrational as they can't see through his act. Thus creating an atmosphere where it looks like Jonny is being victimised for no apparent reason. ”

Quite true.. but you then have to question the reasons why Jonny ‘fans’ chose NOT to see through his façade .. this is when the argument then comes down to the psychological makeup of the fans, and why some can see .. and others refuse to acknowledge what others have pointed out. Of course, backs then get up because people don’t like to accept that they have been “wrong” in their choice of supported housemate.. and they will ‘argue until the cows come home’ …. And this is the biggest problem, some people simply can’t accept when they have been wrong.. Bob, Emma, oh.. the list is long and arduous.. If only they would open their eyes
mullen
14-07-2002
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“Originally posted by Mad Paro Cat


then don't come on the forum anymore then, no-one FORCES you to read those posts, it's all about opinions isn't it?
”

OK, so you think the forum should be dedicated to slagging off Jonny and anyone who doesn't want to be a part of it should leave?

Yes, it is all about opinions. My opinion, the reason for my original post, was that it has become very tiresome wading through the vast amount of nasty, unfounded, anti-Jonny propaganda.

I can see that this is gradually turning into exactly one of those threads so I won't bother posting anymore. This is my point exactly. I used to enjoy reading through this forum board, now it's a chore.
Double
14-07-2002
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“Originally posted by mullen
I
...And to Double... it would take all day to "get in there and fight back" if I tried to defend every anti-Jonny post. Even if I did, there is no point arguing with some people. From reading most of the anti-Jonny posts, the comments made aren't based on fact anyway. Have you ever tried arguing with someone who has an opinion and won't change it no matter what the facts are?
”

I sypathise, because this is how I have felt from my side of the fence. A few weeks ago, Alex was getting a roasting, still is somewhat, but I, and others stayed.
I have had to argue with the member of the type you outline. The only thing I make sure I do is check my facts as best I can and review my tapes for quotes. Even that doesn't work.
Mad Paro Cat
14-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by mullen


OK, so you think the forum should be dedicated to slagging off Jonny and anyone who doesn't want to be a part of it should leave?

Yes, it is all about opinions. My opinion, the reason for my original post, was that it has become very tiresome wading through the vast amount of nasty, unfounded, anti-Jonny propaganda.

I can see that this is gradually turning into exactly one of those threads so I won't bother posting anymore. This is my point exactly. I used to enjoy reading through this forum board, now it's a chore.
”

I think the forum is more than just slagging off Jonny. Come on, Tim has been slagged off on here much more than Jonny, there's topics about a whole range of BB things, stop exaggerating.

"I used to enjoy reading through this forum board, now it's a chore"

like I said, no-one forces you to come on here.
magsiesss
14-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by mullen


I can see that this is gradually turning into exactly one of those threads so I won't bother posting anymore. This is my point exactly. I used to enjoy reading through this forum board, now it's a chore.
”

It is obvious in my opinion that as the number of housemates is reduced, more attention is focused on the two or three likely candidates to win.

This I believe is the reason why there are more posts directed to and against Jonny/Alex and Kate.

Many of the people posting here do try to justify their postings and provide reasons and explanations for doing so - imo, even a moderator or two has posted incorrect details in favour of the contestant they would like to win.

Its only going to get worse as we come down to the last week - when if truth be told, most people have already made up their minds as to who they want to win and will not be swayed by a posting on this or any other board .... C4/BBLB programmes are the exception - they can change public opinion
MrNice
14-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by Elysium


It seems to be the new "dumbing-down" argument of Jonny supporters who have failed [repeatedly] to argue his corner.. “we’re just sick and tired of having our beloved Jonny spoken about in a negative light.. “ oh diddums, poor them.. don’t they have the ability to add certain people to their ignore-list .. and/or simply keep out of any “Jonny” related threads..
”

Diddums ? is that actually a real word ? or is it just more of your baby talk Elysium ?

Typically you have no real point to make, but wish to let everyone know that you dislike Jonny and those who disagree with you.

I am not a Jonny supporter, in fact I am still 'sitting on the fence' as to who would get my vote to win, but your constant bashing is getting very old very quickly.

Nice.
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