I started a thread yesterday enquiring if other forum members thought Tim was damaging Alex's chances (sorry I don't have the knowledge to provide a link to it) however after viewing the live task which I taped last evening, it seems Alex doesn't need any help.

Having read many of the posts (from the usual suspects) accusing Jonny of forcing Tim to take the call, I take a different view. I accept the argument he put forward, backed by Kate and Jade, that having seen his family were happy and well during last weeks task he felt Tim needed some reassurance.

Sure he could have been using the situation to gain favour with viewers, but then again, he could just be reacting as many of us would when seeing an opportunity to reduce a person's dejection.

Surely if Jonny was just "playing the game" he would have taken the call, particularly as without any reassurance it seemed likely that Tim was on the verge of walking.

Did it strike anyone else that Alex was disappointed when Kate, Jade and Jonny encouraged Tim to take the call. Could it be he wanted Tim to continue feeling down? Did he want him to walk? or was he afraid that this action would encourage Tim to alter his attitude towards them?

I know it shouldn't be necessary but will state again that I have not decided who I want to win BB3, however, in my weakened state following a night on the tiles I fear I don't have the strength to deflect the inevitable vilification heading my way.

Hamlet
L.S.H.L.I.T.

Once again you Anti-Alex fans twist everything. Alex did not want Tim to be feeling down. That's a complete rediculous silly comment. Alex never said whether he wanted Tim to take the call or not. He was more considering the possibilities of how it would affect the contestants if they received a phone call from a loved one after being left in isolation from the outside world for so long. Such a call could destroy some people.

What is it about the pro Alex brigade?

If it were revealed that he bit the head off babies or defiled frogs for a hobby I’m sure you would all come up with some BS to show how it was all someone else’s fault (normally Jonny).

Could it not be possible that Jonny et al. were just being a little selfless?

Also could it not be just as possible that Alex is now a little lost sheep with no one to tell him what to do? In the early day he took his orders from the great climbing jock, then of course it was Adele.

Now he looks to Tim for guidance, sadly though Tim is too dim/gormless/stupid (take your pick) to lead anyone so Alex is left alone, dribbling and rocking slowly, avoiding any sort of decision.

The last word is that I’m NOT a great Jonny fan, but if I had to be stuck in a lift with any of them Alex wouldn’t be in the top 3

I think it was a just a case of no one wanting to admit that they wanted to take the call for fear that it would make them seem too big headed. Alex just pulled away from the situation so as not to get involved. I think a lot of people would have acted the same way.

I don't necessarily subscribe to the view that Jonny was being scheming last night, but you have to admit, he has a way of being "kind and caring" that is insufferably overbearing and almost bullying. Like the way he "comforted" Jade - practically donning a red nose and big clown shoes, poking her in the ribs and telling her to cheer up.

If I were feeling miserable, Joker Jonny's tender loving care would lead to violence being inflicted on his bollockular region.

No but he advised him not to. He turned out to be wrong as Dimbo was well cheered up aferwards (As Kate and Jonny said he would be). But still the moaning Minnie had a dig afterwards at the others for 'forcing' Dimbo to take the call and made no attempt to admit he was wrong.
From what I saw Dimbo nearly ran to the diary room.. forced.. yeah right.

Hamlet - I am getting concerned for your well being. To be or not to be, to not to decide on a housemate or decide on one then change your mind, to twist or twist not things out of proportion... is not allowed

You are going to be slaughtered by Jonny/Alex/Jade/Timmy/Kate supporters.

Well thought out threads not bitching about one of the housemates are dangerous on here

LK - standing by with St John's Ambulance brigade (and what a good job they do too) to rescue Hamlet from the mob!

The group was asked to put forward their opinions. Clearly Alex was unable to do this. Maybe if he had had 5 minutes alone with Tim beforehand ..... ?

Alex isn't a bad person. But he is boring and apparently incapable of forming his own opinions about people. He does not deserve to win. Yes, he's pleasing on the eye (although how anyone can find him sexually appealing escapes me) but he has the depth of a puddle and the intellect of a post box.

I have had periods of liking Alex, most notably in week 3 when I finally thought he was learning to relax and think for himself, but his behaviour in recent weeks has convinced me that my original opinion of him was correct. He is an empty vessel who he needs the approval and advice of others. He doesn't need everyone's approval, but he craves it from those he respects and sees as superior to him in some way - Sandy then Adele and now Tim.

I hope he doesn't win.

He didn't!!!!!

i could be missing something here ... but I think that was the whole point of it.

LK - who has been accused of missing a couple of screws and wondering if anyone knows a good fake tan. I can't just sit in the sun doing nothing !

An interesting one.....my theory as to why Tim and Alex seemed so intent on Jonny taking the call......Tim had already mentioned that there might bew a phone call involved in tonight's task.....my gut feeling, based on the exchange of looks between Tim and Alex is that they both wanted Jonny to take the call so that they could then make reference to that when they both nominated him on monday, and hopefully reduce his popularity with the public i.e isn't he mean taking the call, knowing how much Tim wanted to speak with his girlfriend....the look on their faces when he and the others kept insisting that Tim took the call was classic!....hehehe...right to the end tim protesteth too loudly, but had no choice when he was called to the diary room........Jonny I think was aware of their tactics and, like someone else mentioned in a post somewhere, returned every volley that Tim threw his way, smart guy for not falling for their little plan.......hehehehehe!!!!........

...also Tim made sure (knowing that the hm's were listening to his conversation on the plasma screen) to tell his Mum that he thought he'd be out on Friday....does he think the HM's won't nominate him now???????......noooo.....see ya friday Tim!

Lets See How Long It Takes - congratulations Indo a whole 12 minutes - your slipping.




Whither wilt thou lead me? Speak. I'II go no further.

Hamlet

No, no-one will be "slaughtering" anyone.

Not on my watch guv'nor.

~ Beth.

I think Scorp is closest to the truth on this one, but I somewhat doubt that Alex is that cunning. Instead perhaps he was just arguing that Tim not take the call for the sake of being critical of what he saw as Jonny's idea. Tim then automatically took his ally Alex's side. It was only when Kate and Jade allied with Jonny that Alex and Tim were outnumbered, and Jonny finally got his way.

i thought jonny played the thing great, he came across as kind, selfless...a jolly nice chappie in fact..boy does he know what hes doing 10 outa 10 for that one.

You have just been watching too many episodes of Mr Bill who is the father of Cagney but not Lacey, (who was once married to Jodie Foster who was once an FBI agent), but since its been known that he (Mr Bill for those not following) is gay and living with Mr Morse (no reflection or no disrespect meant to the actor - I thought John Thaw was great) has filed a divorce petition.

LK - not great when it comes to female dectectives. But knows that the forum is well detected with Beth in the room!

Did that make sense? Sometimes I too am like another poster who said about Shirley Valentine talking to walls! I talk to my teddy (MrTed) instead! My bear always talks perfect sense.

I know exactly what I mean but have trouble making others understand. Especially after a couple of glasses of wine on a Sunday afternoon. )

I wonder if they're going to show what a miserable moaning wally Alex has been the last 2 days. I doubt it... people go on about Jonny being channel 4's golden boy... As far as I'm concerned it's clearly been Alex they've made this show for. Started with him up against Spencer and it's continued ever since.

Alex is used to being away from his parents. So he didnt feel a desperate need to talk to them for 40 seconds.
also alex knew that Tims G/F wasnt happy with him going into the house and if it was bad news, he probably thought he would be better off not knowing the outcome in case it was bad news.
It's a difficult situation really! so he stayed out of it cos it was too personal a thing to be pushed into.

I thought Alex came out of it ok, I think he thought Jonny was pressuring him in to taking the call and I think Alex wanted him or anyone else to make that choice for themselves without being told. As for counting himself out he believed it could have made him depressed if he did hear his family and believed he could continue without hearing them after all he has travelled around the world and probably could cope better than the others.

Could I ask ...... would people stop thinking!
Base what you say on what actually happened.

How can so many people see exactly the same thing and see if so differently ??

Mind you if we all saw the same thing, none of us would argue at all .... there would be just one long thread ...

Are we wayching the same BB3 coverage?
Yes Tim needed cheering up - Jonny, who has never before expressed any concern for Tim's well being, manipulated Tims genuine needs to look good on live Telly !
Jonny has done this so many times before and yet you are all still fooled by the toilet enthused one's antics for the camera !
At least Alex was not fooled - knowing Jonny as the two faced game player that he really is - he genuinely could not encourage his mate Tim to be used in this way

ok ok, time to stick my own 5 pennorths worth in

When it was announced that the HM's had to discuss between themselves who was to have the call Alex immediately said his piece and withdrew from the discussion. Now no-one can really know what was going through his head at that time, but I know if it was me I would be thinking 'well they took bu**er all notice of my opinions last week, why should I bother this week, also he may have been remembering back to when he had to choose people for the rich/poor side and no matter what he did he was considered wrong in his choices, maybe he just wanted to keep out of it so as not to cause any more conflicts.

I thought he seemed despondant before he went in the diary room for the task, but then again, when you've had all day to psyche yourself up for a live task and then discover its yet another boring question and answer type thing, I'm surprised they werent ALL groaning with despair!

I'm quite happy to accept that none of them (even my bete noire Timmy!) had any ulterior motive whatsoever over the phone call.

Alex genuinely didn't want a mere 40 second phone call which would upset him and thought others would appreciate it more.

Tim really was perturbed at being even more hated.

Jonny actually was feeling sorry for Tim and couldn't cope with his being so down all the time.

Kate ditto.

Jade, probably the one who most needed outside contact was, as usual, ignored by all and sundry.

Generally so far as I can see posters are just projecting incredibly complicated and Machiavellian game plans on a set of people most of whom are frankly not bright enough to come up with any such convoluted **** for themselves.

Yes I noticed that, I bet she would have loved to have been able to talk to her mum but maybe wanted to continue her 'new leaf' to help endear herself with the rest of the group, twice she openly spoke out but the first time she was almost immediately spoken over, the last time she managed to say more but i don't recall anyone acknowledging her.

I like Mike Mc Vallian .... him and I (we) play all sorts of games. He even amuses me when he gets up and projects convuluted stuff.

LK - innocent and very harmless

Harmless maybe LK - innocent? Even on short acquaintance I have me doubts!