Personally I find Tim pretty entertaining to watch and find peoples reasons for disliking the bloke pretty shallow. Okay his audition tape was pretty arrogant but apart from a stupid joke, in the house he's done hardly anything wrong. So what if he speaks relatively posh and plays with his hair alot?

Is the guy boring? Not in my eyes, I find his hair antics pretty funny and his personality definately stands out from the group along with Alex. He's seen through a lot of the housemates and I think he's actually a genuine guy. Tim's going to have enough to deal with on the outside with his girlfriend leaving him without having a mob of people booing the guy because hes a bit posh. I feel sorry for him and along with Alex want him to get as far as possible. C'mon Tim!

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i'm warming to Tim. he can't help it if he is so clever, well educated and talented just as those thick, poorly educated, talentless snipers on here can't help it that they are like what they are

not done anything wrong? he bad mouthed and persecuted sophie having not taken ANY time to find out about her, bad mouthed johnny and has been generally arrogant the whole time, he's shown no sensitivity (unless its crawling up alex's bottom which is to 'his advantage') to others and has displayed total selfishness.

not done anything wrong? hmmmmm

Ms

oh no , its started, channel4 have got you too...

He had his own reasons for not likeing Sophie and I find his way better then pretending to her face everything is perfect and bitching about her behind her back.

Sensitivity? I don't think its up to us to judge that as people express themselves in different ways. I hardly ever watch the C4 shows, so as far as the editing getting to me thats a no go. However I do agree with the whole C4 editing minipulating people saga but I would'nt say they've ever used it in Tims favour.

Legend a.k.a ********

Tim's the biggest tit in the house.

I also find Tim quite amusing to watch. His hair regime doesn't annoy me at all. More often than not, I have a laugh at the way he preens himself. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a guy taking pride in his appearance.

Ok, he may have said the odd joke that can be deemed unsavoury, but we could all probably rattle off a bad taste joke, but he erred when telling it on national TV.

He's openly expressed how he feels about his fellow HM's. He made it blatantly obvious to Sophie that he didn't like her. He could have given her a false sense of liking her, but then that would have been seen as 2 faced.

So, he's had a very good education, and I've had an ordinary one, that doesn't mean to say that I dislike the guy because of it. I say good luck to him, it's obvious that his days in public schooling never did him any harm, and what people deem as arrogance, I see more as Tim being a guy who is very confident in himself.

Ever since he entered the house, Tim as well as the viewers knew he was in a no win situation. All he could ever hope for, was to make it to the final week.

Other HM's have done far worse things than Tim during their time in the house, but now they're being portrayed as angels, and him as satan himself, which is a bit harsh IMO.

Unsavoury? Bad taste? He told an especially vile racist joke, giggling the whole time. And he has made other racist comments while in the house.

That is all I need to disqualify him, and I think he should have been kicked out.

My thoughts excactly, his one bad tasting joke is definately not the reason for him being hated by the public. Im also sure its the type of joke some of the others would tell, just the others are maybe more aware that they are nationial television 24\7.

I'm in no way condoning what Tim did. I'm merely saying that is was an error of judgement on his behalf. Other HM's have made racist comments as well, and they're still in the house. In fact, they've had what was a very rocky path, smoothed for them, so should they have been kicked out as well?

The one thing that Tim's "education" has equiped him for is time travel he would be equally at home in the 30's 40's or 50's his mistake has been to transport himself outside of his comfort zone and into an arena where he is the ulimate square peg. His public school arrogance/confidence has given him a false sense of security that he has been trained to deal with all that life can throw at him and the last week has shown him to be the most fragile of characters and he can't wait to get back to his version of normality.
Now that he has had his cockiness knocked out of him he is a beaten man and I for one fear for his eviction because he doesn't have the strength to deal with the rejection and there is nothing to be gained from kicking him when he's down.
Sometimes the best things in life are free (including an education)

I have been reading about this "racist" joke that TIM told for a few days now and everyone seems really outraged by it but I didn't hear it and am curious to what it was?

Does anyone know? I would like to judge for myself how bad it was.

Would someone mind posting it please?

Thanks

Tracy:

I usually agree with a lot of what you say, but I have to say that Tim is not confident.
He comes across as very inhibited and shy. With some of his opinions he is extremely arrogant, and these to me, seem to be very firmly embedded into his own beliefs.

Pinelands:

I don't want to offend anyone, but I'll try to tell you the joke with the operative word taken out(as if that's going to make a difference).

If my post gets deleted, then I'll understand.

Question: "What's transparent and lies in the gutter?"
Answer: " A (person in a racial minority) with the sh*t kicked out of him"

I know it's a very politically correct way of telling it, but I'd rather tell it that way.

So Pinelands, do you reckon Tim'll get a good job on mainstream telly out of this? Is the joke as bad as you feared?

I don't know why they allow that to be televised when they wouldn't allow it on any other television programme.
They censor swear words on BB3 that are deemed offensive, so for some reason they can't think that Tim's joke is offensive enough.

Does this tell us something about the editors?

Tim certainly wants to be a legend hence why he wanted to go on 'The Villa' as well as BB. Last night we heard he'd been on TV when he was 11. He must want to be famous, otherwise why knowingly join a pantomine he claims he didn't buy a ticket for.
He calls the GBP stupid for daring to prefer Jonny, Kate or Jade to himself and calls Kate 'easy' for kissing Alex in a game when she'd been friendly with Spencer!!!!!!
The C4 website has an excellent peice on Tim by Brian Sewell and I think he's got the measure of Tim.
Dont get me wrong, he's not as bad as everyone is making out, can be amusing to watch and can be genuinely nice but a legend, I dont think so.

What reason's?? He didn't even attempt to get to know her.

To the very best of my recollection....

Tim did tell the joke BUT did NOT tell the complete punchline
....it was in everyones head already....

PJ was first to acknowledge that he knew what Tim was on about.

somewhat pedantic as Tim's intention was obviously offensive to 'someone' but the public & the HMs inserted the nationality of the subject of the joke....not Tim.

c

Yes, he definitely told the punchline.

The exact word he used to describe the target of the joke was a bit unclear as there was others talking. But the punchline, and context of the joke, left no mistake that it was descriptive of a person of colour of some sort.

I thought it was pretty good of P.J. to indicate that it wasn't right.

There's no way you could insert the nationality of a Chinese man, or a white man into punchline of the joke, as the joke would make no sense whatsoever.

we will have to live in suspence as 'not in a million years' will anybody transmit it so that it can be proved either way..probably a good thing.

c

Oldgit

I can honestly say, that I didn't think of his public school education as being a hinderance to him. I thought it would make him a stronger person, but after reading what you've said, I have to agree with you about the false sense of security side of it.

Since he heard the chanting on Friday night, he has shown that he's worried about the rejection side of things that may come with eviction as well. But despite that, I don't think he deserves to be treated as public enemy number one.

What are you talking about?

There's nothing to prove. It WAS broadcast. Are me and the others just making it up?

If I heard the same thing as other people, that's got to be an amazing co-incidence.

I'll say it again, the joke left absolutely NO room for doubt.

I don't know why you're splitting hairs about what he technically said. The colour of sh*t tells you what he said.

Okay, even if the actual word was unclear because conversation was going on, the intent was absolutely obvious, and if everyone else got it, why are you saying he might have meant something else?

You might have to live in suspense, as you say, but it doesn't mean anyone else has to.

Funny you should say that Alrightmate, 'cos I tend to agree with you a lot as well, and think I'm going to see your point yet again.

I'll apologise while I may, 'cos I've been on the booze tonight.

I suppose his arrogance could stem from his public school education, and maybe what his parents have instilled in him, but that isn't really his fault. A lot of kids are influenced from their backgrounds etc.

I don't think Tim's looking for TV work. I imagine he's got too much too return to on the outside world, in a business sense.

With regard to letting that joke get through. I can't understand how they did it either, or can I? I think it may have been done on purpose to discredit Tim, and allow others to pour scorn on him. Jade has apparently made racial comments as well, but people seem to forget that, 'cos so much has happened to her to over shadow these incidents.

As I've said, I certainly don't condone racial remarks/jokes, 'cos I see it as a pretty low form of wit. I think that probably in both of their cases, they may have made them without thinking.

Hi, Tracy.

It's okay you don't have to apologise to me. But it's still nice of you all the same.

I know I'm only guessing, but for Tim to appear on the Villa, and leave after only a few days, and for him to go on to Big Brother having even more problems, I'm guessing he's really in a bad way.

To try his luck on both shows just makes me think he really wants to prove to himself that he can be liked by people.

To fail a second time, in his own eyes, he must be devastated.
I don't know if he's very unsuccessful at everything he does in real life and feels the need to see if the public like him, but after his two failed attempts at reality television, I just get the feeling that he sees himself as the ultimate loser.

People a few weeks ago were concerned about the possibility of Jade needing psychiatric help after BB3. But I think that Jade is much, much stronger than Tim.

I think Tim had issues before he even went on the Villa, going by what we're watching now.
If anyone ends up with mental illness, I'd have to say Tim is the more likely candidate now.

Despite all the incredibly prejudiced comments he's made about all kinds of people, I really find it hard to find any anger or hate toward him.

I just think he's going to have some severe problems.

That's just a gut reaction from what I'm watching, and I hope it doesn't go too bad for him.

I just can't see him walking down the balcony if he's greeted by a load of boos.
Could be the worst car-crash television we'll have ever seen.

bye for now.

Well, PJ's done both, and come out of BB to cheers. He hasn't won BB, and his rep was a bit dodgy before entering the house, and over the BJ in the house, that he's chosen to refute due to his career leanings.

Tim may well have had issues on entering the house, but we really don't know. He's made a few controversial comments whilst in the house as well. His reasons for walking away from the Villa were to do with family. Until he gets out, yet again, we won't know for sure anything.

I sincerely hope that he doesn't require to see a shrink on leaving the house, 'cos I do see him as a perfectly decent chap overall, and hasn't deserved the vitriol that's been dished up to him either. Had he been a total cad and messed around with the girls in the house in a drunken haze, and caused a lot of s**t, I'd be feeling the opposite, but he hasn't.

If I were to tell the truth, I quite like tim, even with all his failings, and wouldn't wish to see any harm come to him in any way.