I know, but what I was saying was that my views are are simply a gut reaction, and my thoughts on how I feel from what I'm seeing on screen.

Of course what I said could be a load of tosh, and probably is, but we can only make guesses about these people on most counts.

I'd have to say though that P.J. and Tim are as different as chalk and cheese.
And don't forget that P.J. had a really good crowd reaction. P.J. came across to me as a more confident person, even though he worried a bit about his eviction.

Tim to me, seems very insecure and is getting worse by the day.

I'd like to think that his mum was right and his girlfriend IS still with him.
On top of everything, if his girlfriend HAS finished with him, I think he's going to take it very badly indeed.

From what I saw of her, she seemed a really nice girl, and it seems that in the house Tim is missing her badly.

Absolutely. Tim is the only HM I've heard make racial slurs (the "joke" and other comments), but if any of the others have make similar comments, of course they should have been shown the door.

I simply find Tim to be thouroughly dislikeable. I watch him on E4 live, and find him inanely boring and childish. His little "under the breath" comments iritate the hell out of me, and he is so clearly attention seeking.

It was clear from the start on Saturday he would get make the phone call as he has whinged about the chants he heard ALL DAY, and was STILL going about them last night to Alex whilst in Bedroom 2 playing darts.

Kate is not a particular favourite of mine, but I found Tim's "easy" comments highly offensive. Would he like that said about his mother or sister?

And sorry the whole "I didn't buy a ticket to the pantomime" is wearing thin. For somebody who allegedly doesn't like acting up to the camera I find it strange he has had 2 other television appearances under his (fairly high) belt.

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Out of all the things you could call Tim a "Attention Seeker" would definately not be one of them. As far as being concerned of the chants I think anyone in his situation would be the same. Im sure if you heard hundereds\thousands of people chanting that wanted you out im sure you'd be very worried too. I think if Jonny was ever subjected to the same we'd never hear the end of it and would probaly leave to the geordie man walking, Tims hopefully a lot stronger like his ally Adele.

Tim is a legendary jackass

I notice Outlaw you don't repeat all of my post? If I had auditioned for BB then I would realise I may not be liked by the majority and would know there is a chance of being booed. I therefore would not spend ALL my time pondering on the matter (especially if, like Tim has said, I did not think I had done anything to justify it!).

When was Adele Tim's ally?

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Tim hasn't endeared himself to anyone with his "of course I dont need the money comments" and his arrogant comments in the DR regarding himself are unbelievable .He hadn't been on the poor side a day before he started moaning that "he" couldnt live like this .I find his OTT comments to Alex nauseati ng..."your an amazing guy " very false.He wants his way or no way ..I suspect even Alex would like to join in on some of the more entertaining games ..but with tim looking down his nose at them he feels repressed.
He constantly mentions his possesions ..how boorish.
And now we see what a coward he really is ....oh my GOD someone may not like me ....so I'll run out the back door ..
or pleeeease nominate me then I can say I asked you to ...saving face and not admitting I'm actually not the "special guy I think I am ".His constant fiddling with his hair doesnt annoy me ...but it does give a new definiton ot vain .
A legend ???
A VAIN WIMP

I'm getting very fed up with so many people attributing all Tim's negative character traits to his public school education. Not all privately educated people are arrogant, patronising, racist, weak or foolish. Although some may have any or all of those characteristics, so may those who have been educated in comprehensive schools. Although I was state educated, my husband and many of my friends and work colleagues have had a private education, on average they are no more or less perfect than those who have not.

To continually say that Tim is a prat because he went to boarding school is just another kind of prejudice. Tim is a prat but please don't drag down a whole section of society with him or absolve him of blame because of his background.

Carmen - Tim's personality is nothing to do with his education and everything to do with his family and himself.

He is totally dislikeable and would still be so even if he had attended the local comp. It is his arrogance and whinging I despise. Will Young (also boarding school) won Pop Idol with millions of votes so I think the British public can see past somebody's accent or background, but what they cannot see past is his arrogance.

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Um, that's exactly the point I was trying to get across. It's just that in every thread I have seen about Tim sooner or later (usually sooner) public school gets mentioned in a derogative way.

I agree, Tim is a prat because he is a prat. Not because he went to private school, not because he is upper middle class and not because he has ginger hair.

He is a prat because of his crap attitude and intolerance of other people. He also has a massive superiority complex, which is why he has such a hard time with authority.

Calling him a prat for any reason other than his actions is useless and actually lends sympathy to the jackass.

I dont dislike Tim, but then I dont like the guy either. He has done nothing to warrant hatred from the public but he is not a deserving winner. (Read Brian Sewells article on the BB website for proof)

However all Tim haters have to admit it was hilarious when he was trying to figure out why the public wanted him out so much. Well I've been completely faithful to my girlfriend and I have not been two faced so it must be the fact I have a lot of money, went to a private boarding school and have a 'posh' accent. Then when he went on to complain that Will Young won Pop Idol and he was the same as him.

That was quality entertainment!!!

Spanky

Sorry, but yes the main reason Tim is hated is because he's posh. I've found peoples main reasons for getting him out are - too posh, ginger & a tory. Very few people have actually heard about his un tasteful joke and I would say that is his only mistake in the house.

Apart from that his only crimes have been to be himself. If he does'nt like running around acting the fool like Jonny, then so what? If he really does'nt like some of the housemates like sophie then at least hes not two faced about it. If you find him boring them fair enough, however as a single housemate I find him very entertaining that would of course change if we had a house full of Tim's.

I really don't think Tim is particularly posh, or "smart" as he would say if he really was. I've even heard him called aristocratic which shows a complete misunderstanding of the word. The guy is nouveau riche, and as someone who believes in meritocracy I think there is nothing wrong with that. However, I don't like him but it's got nothing to do with his accent or how much money he has but because he is so crass.

It has nothing to do with being "posh" or otherwise .
It is his vanity and arrogance.
If any HM had gone in the diary room and stated that they must be a "pretty nice guy" and clearly had such an incredibly high opinion of themselves as this guy does I'd dislike them too .
To state that he disliked Kate and thought she was "easy" simply because she called him arrogant and he did'nt like it is pathetic.(and I dont like Kate overmuch myself )His constant preening and his inablity to "understand" why people dont like the "great I AM " just enforces my opinion of him .
Its a concept he simply can't get his head around .

He's an arrogant snob, but that's all. Not a bad person. He has humourous moments, some interesting things to say, can be very mature and has show some genuine honesty and kindness.
I took particualr offence to his remarks regarding the GBP who, in this arrogance snobbish opinion, would be stupid not to prefer him to most of the other housemates. Calling Kate 'easy' was so uncalled for and blows apart his "I've always been honest - what I've said in there (DR) I've said out here" mantra.

He's isnt the devils spawn, just a spoilt, superior, arrogant snob.
I should add that he most certainly is attention seeking as why else would he have gone on 'The Villa' and BB?

as in an arse?

Tim is so stuck up his own a**e its a joke, he doesnt join in with any of the games "thinks he is to good" I cant bear anything about him, he called Kate johnny and jade prats and said if any of them 3 win well.............

shut up tim u dick!

This is going to be long because I'm thinking about why I like Tim and feel he's getting a raw deal, so apologies for the length. I'm glad this thread was started, in the interests of balance on the board.
I know that most people can't stand Tim and I can see why he is disliked to a certain extent, but I think the reaction to him has been completely over the top.
As a viewer, I genuinely like Tim and think he has some nice qualities and the potential to be a very decent bloke, once he grows up a little.
I really like his commitment to his girlfriend and feel sorry for him a lot of the time.
Apart from one or two stupid and intolerant remarks and one pathetic and nasty 'joke', I can't see what Tim has done in the House to deserve all the vitriol. Criticize him for what he has done and said, fine, but not for how he speaks, dresses and how he was educated.
To me, he appears to be a nice guy who is rather naive and insecure and tries to hide his insecurities behind an over-confident front. He doesn't annoy me in the way most of the other housemates do. So he's public-school educated, has lots of money, dyes his hair and preens in front of the mirror. So what? That may irritate some people but it's no reason to be vicious about him.
The whole Gingerwatch thing made me very uncomfortable. Almost as bad as the Sun's 'Pig' campaign against Jade. Having red hair and dyeing it dark brown is not a crime, and he admitted he dyes his hair when asked by the other HM's. Has anybody wondered WHY he does it? Could it be that he heard all the 'ginger' jokes as a child and had his life made a misery by it? Why does he need to hear all the 'ginger' taunts again on eviction night ? Give him a break!
The length of time he spends fixing his hair shows how dis-satisfied he is with his appearance, and not how fabulous he thinks he looks. Needing to spend thirty minutes fixing your hair in the morning might indicate a lack of confidence in how you look , and be part of an elaborate preparation ritual that enables you to face other people.
So he didn't like Sophie and was b*itchy about her - okay, not nice, but is it any worse than the behaviour of the other HM's at times? At least he didn't pretend to like Sophie to her face, the way Adele and Jade did. Kate is now treating Jade exactly the same way Jade treated Sophie but Kate and Jonny are actually physically bullying towards Jade as well ( forcibly removing her bikini in the pool ). He has made some very judgemental comments about Kate in the DR, but they are based on his belief that she was involved with Spencer yet moved on to Alex. Kate does flirt a lot, and she has lied to the rest of the group about the 'follow the Van' incidents with Adele/Alex and with Alex alone. I like Kate but she definitely seeks the attention of all the guys in the house and is quick to put down Jade in front of them, plus she has no qualms about humiliating Jade when Jonny starts some of his rough and tumble.
Tim may appear boring because he doesn't join in the horseplay, but frankly I wouldn't either if it involved throwing the girls in the pool, removing their clothing, spraying the water hose into their faces, pinning them down on the floor and dragging them along the carpet, while they are shouting 'No' ... once someone shouts 'No' and is ignored, then it's not my idea of fun. The fact that it IS Jonny's idea of fun is what has put me right off Jonny in the past week, after liking him and feeling sorry for him before that.

I have seen Tim display a gentle and teasing sense of humour towards both Jade and Kate in his first weeks in the house. I have seen him be polite to all the housemates bar Sophie and not get involved in screaming matches or physically bullying behaviour.
I have seen him remain faithful to his girlfriend and talk about how special she is and how much he loves her. I have heard him talk about much he loved teaching kids and how he can't wait to have his own kids. I have heard him worrying about whether his girlfriend and family will still want to know him when he comes out.. All very normal stuff that wouldn't be received suspiciously if Jonny or Kate or Alex were saying it - yet on some forums, all this is taken as signs of Tim's 'manipulativeness'.
Okay, I have also seen him drone on at length about his cars and his blooming wonderful schools but that's not a crime. He's a bit lazy and thoughtless at times, and he puts his foot in it when he expresses strong opinions without considering whom he might be offending among the viewing public, but he doesn't deserve to be booed and jeered for being stupid occasionally.

He's no better and no worse than most of the housemates, IMO, and I would find him more relaxing company than most of them. So if I were in the BB house (heaven forbid!), then I would be quite happy to have Tim as a housemate.

All selectively snipped from your post.
Enough on it's own without any slagging off from the Anti-Tim faction to show exactly why people dislike Tim so much.

All you've done is highlight his bad points and then poorly tried to excuse them. A clever enough writer could describe a much more flattering picture of even Hitler, but it doesn't mean his 'crimes' aren't any less hateful.

For me, I think his immediate hatred and nastiness towards Sophie and his incredibly arrogant and snobbish attitude are enough for me.

I don't care about the whys and why nots...

IMO he's not a very nice person and certainly not someone I would want to spend any time with.
From what I've read, even his closest friends describe him as vain, arrogant, deluded and a bit of a joke figure.

I think you're trying to 'piss against the wind' here.

l hope he leaves this week, l wouldn't like to see him booed or anything but l personally find him distasteful. For someone who's had such a good education his manners towards other people leave a lot to be desired IMO. His treatment of Sophie, was no better than Jade & Adele, his remarks about Kate were uncalled for and his comments to Alex about people only voting him out because he was posh, are insulting. He has told a racist joke (although l didn't hear it) amongst many things, l think that maybe he has a lesson to learn from this experience certainly he needs to look at his attitude to his fellow man whom mostly he seems to consider beneath him. IMO arrogance should be his middle name.

Callie

People actualy dislike him because of his background and his hair colour I suggest that these people are pathetic and shallow. Not liking him for views that he has expressed is surely a more valid reason and sensible reason?

I think the reason many people dislike Tim is because of his immaturity and lack of social awareness. He has very strong views about issues without the knowledge and experience to back them up. This could be a product of his upbringing and education - private schools differ enormously on what they churn out. Looking at Tim I suspect he attended an all male establishment populated with pupils from similar backgrounds to his own. The trouble with these places is they do nothing to equip a person for the outside world as a whole. Tim will not have had the exposure to different classes and cultures that a state school education would have given him. When people leave an education like that they find it very difficult to relate to people outside of their own social circle and this is probably why Tim is so insecure in the house. He comes across as arrogant because all his friends will be from similar backgrounds to himself and this is acceptable behaviour to them - they have nobody around them to tell them otherwise. Tim has a lot of growing up to do. I don't think he is a bad person but he irritates the hell out me all the same. I just want to shake him sometimes and shout WAKE UP!!! Some of my friends and family were privately educated and I suspect some of them were much like Tim when they left. However life teaches valuable lessons and I'm sure ten years down the road Tim will (hopefully!!!) be a quite different person.

TSR, nice job on the selective editing. You should get a job with Channel 4.
I wrote a balanced assessment of Tim's good and bad points and found that, for me, the good outweighed the bad.
You are entitled to your opinion and so am I.
And I am not going to selectively edit your post in my reply.

Well said. One of the main reasons this thread was created was because I was amazed at the amount of unjustified hate Tim has recieved by the public and on this board. I'm glad to find at least a few of you can understand he is'nt perfect but is a decent guy. It would be sweet if in a sudden turn around Tim survives eviction this week but I dont think theres much chance?