Mel - do you seriously think Jonny is going to go back to being a fireman?

Do you think that Jonny, at his age, should know better than to use a communial shower as a loo?

What responsibilities - Jonny lives with his parents (still!)

The oldest man in the house when the 'weegate' was in full swing was Sandy - which negates your comments there too.

What's with the comments 'how dare he .... ' - its called self preservation in an 18-30's club as it was at that time and he just tried to bring some kind of order in there where none existed.

Please don't let this thread go the same way as many others.

Stop the personal attacks and try and keep the thread on topic.

Why is everyone attacking Melbb1? She's still young enough to enjoy the childish antics of Jonny. She'll learn, as she matures, to appreciate Alex's finer, dryer humour.

It didn't work MGOM - try the Alex method of stopping arguments......DO SOMETHING FOR ME

DO SOMETHING FOR ME

MG

Thank you.
You have saved me doing a lot of typing.
Every thing you said, was correct.

there is no need to resort to personal attacks to try and disregard her point. its her own opinion so let her speak. the next time a johnny basher makes a post if you believe what you preach then you would tell them there wrong to( this goes to the alex fans that have attacked mel in this thread). some how i dought this will happen.

How you have the nerve to say Alex bashing.
Jonny get's a lot more nasty thread's.

why do you need to resort to personal attacks. if your points were valid you would not need to. just because you like alex and dont like johnny does not mean you have to attack people that dont agree with you. thats childish antics to me. or may be your trying to get the thread shut down because you know what alex did was wrong.

i'll put my hands up immediately to not being an alex fan and wanting kate to win. nevertheless, this post is purely to clarify the orange-gate situ (it was at this point i began to really dislike alex). the throwing of the oranges weren't the real issue (sandy had thrown them earlier that day without a peep from alex), it was that kate asked alex (openly) what his prob was with her and he just kept stating 'you should know'. having been on the end of that statement when trying to deal with a situation i can appreciate how frustrating it is.

however, the worst bit was the tone of voice he used when he dismissed her by calling her 'girl'. i know i would find that offensive and denigrating. i would probably stand up to it but in the fraught atmosphere of the early days in the house i can understand how that kind of obvious belittling would lead someone to get upset.

the orange-gate that was shown tonight involved so much more than was shown tonight. BUT still reckon the psyches are just pushing the envelope for something to say which justifies their pay-packet.

sorry to have laboured a point - but do reckon that alex's 'girl' comment is indicative of his dismissive attitude, not just towards women he considers inferior, but his attitude overall to those who challenge him/do not agree with him.

Deerd
thinking watching too much sometimes helps/sometimes hinders but should always be regarded as FUN

LOL

i've been trying the 'alex method', of diffusing arguments, on my family since wart-gate.

FUNNY

*it's yet to work
*i get told to shut-up
*AND STOP BEING SELFISH!!!!

hhmmmmm... funny that.

Deerd
admiring MGOM's attempt at mediation but knowing it just ain't gonna work.

MelBB1 are you a fan of Mel from BB1 or are you actually Mel from BB1?

Just curious.

He made a simple request regarding the hygiene of the toilet. Just because some of them were prepared to live like animals, it doesn't mean that he had to accept it. If everyone had just said that they understood where he was coming from, that would be have been the end of the matter, but they chose to use it as a means to bully and persecute him. A lot of viewers must have seen it that way as well, 'cos that's how he managed to beat Alison and Spenny, who were 2 very strong characters in the house, and the only real evictions to be held in the house so far this series. The other evictions were fore gone conclusions.

If Alison had been white he would not have beaten her. We all know it was rigged, betting scams etc.She did not even wee in the shower so your argument has failed. He will NEVER beat Jonny who actually DID wee in the shower, and will continue to do so in bliss! Good on yer Jonny! Jonny is the viewers favourite so apparently they do not care about the Weegate nonsense. Alex out !!!

i'm not entirely sure that you're right as regards to the reason(s) for alex avoiding evictions. also, jonny did try to discuss the matter with alex several times and alex refused to talk to him about it. while i agree that jonny's shower actions are unhygenic and not to be tolerated i do think alex has taken this one incident TOO far. he was talking about YET AGAIN today and continues to use it as a reason for nominations SOOOO many weeks on. at best this suggests intolerance and a lacking in the ability to forgive. at worst it suggest obsession and an inability to recognise that one aspect/feature does not make a person.

OR

maybe he just wants to keep reminding the public that jonny pees in the shower, hmmm???

Deerd
regardless of the right/wrongs, he should be over it by NOW!!!

So you think that them being showed forcefully stripping Jade twice is fun.

I dont think so

imagine the out cry if that was jade and Alex or Tim stripping Kate like that you wouldnt say it was fun then.

Jonnys saying sorry to Alex was just for the cameras it still didnt stop Jonny noming Alex.

Gotta say, the way Alex grinned there was a bit slimy (even his biggest fans have to admit this)... I've always thought his dislike of Kate came from the fact she chose the guy with athletes foot over him.

Alex himself, said that the women he wants are always slightly out of his reach in a drunken diary room confession... I don't think his motive was to make Kate cry, because he didn't realise at the time she had gone off and cried - I just think he was quite upset that the girl he fancied the most preferred someone else.

It could just boil down to him not being able to handle that kind of rejection, rather than him having any real feelings towards Kate. There's almost certainly an attraction there for him, and possibly from her, but that's as far as it will ever go. There's no way they would develop any real, strong feelings for each other.

I think the truth is... Kate had real feelings for Spencer. Adele had real feelings for Alex ... It's down to the guys now. Got a funny feeling it's not going to happen between either of them though. Which is a shame really... It's such a wacky, and in some ways romantic way to meet someone, I think I'd have to give it a go with the other person if I were in their positions. People take things for granted though.

Thats right, everything Jonny does is for the cameras. Do you not think that he might have thought that if he was going to be living with him in the same house that they should put their differences aside and get on with each other.

I want to know why ppl here moan when someone says something against Alex but are quick to slag off Jonny.

i would have thought, more importantly, it didn't (and continues not to) stop alex nominating jonny.

guess it's just same ole, same ole. monday's noms from alex will prob. be pro forma again. can't accuse the guy of much imagination!!!!

just you took note that someone prefers jonny to alex recognised that jonny was initially in th ewrong and that alex had a fair point - just not one that was worth going on about ad nauseum.

Deerd
still unsure about the jade pool incident and needing context and more info (i am a non-digi and i'm not sure that 30secs of footage is yet enough to condemn). i WAS appalled by that footage but i'm not ready to jump to conclusions yet.

Lacy posted the assertion in this thread that Alex is resentful of Jonny over his interest in Kate.

I suspect instead that Alex has come to hold a generic resentment of BOTH men & women he views as [virile] competition; derived from feelings of inadequate masculinity. That rather than achieve a sense of adequacy through working to evolve more masculine aspects within his persona, he tries to reject his societally-acquired definition of masculinity altogether. It's doubtful, though, that Alex has truly redefined masculinity for himself - as betrayed by his notably primal physical impositions on the female housemates. It's simply less threatening & less effort [for him] to deny a perceived unmanliness than accept that there may be [some] truth to it.

There's little of the direct challenge - aggressive or nonaggressive - that men in particular are perceived to make over specific issues, in the manner Alex competes. He rarely seems to directly confront the wishes/opinions/behaviour of an opponent he views as strong, but attempts to defeat them through blackening of character & standing.

Consider that Alex has found degrees of fault in virtually all the housemates - bar Sandy (neutered by virtue of age/girlfriend/disinterest in winning BB3) and Tim & Adele (neutered through flattery/compliance with Alex's views/lack of status & sexual challenge). Moreover consider the unique [among the BB HMs now] way in which Alex expresses criticism of such faults: it's covert, petty, cattish, sniping - hardly "manly". There's a [resentment-fuelled] concealed aggression in the readiness to express, and continuing repetition & maintenance of said criticisms.

Earlier in the series, Alex (unknowingly, obviously) had my support & sympathy in winning BB3; as he appeared to be gentle, sensitive, congenial, well-mannered - and was belittled by many of the housemates for being so. He seemed genuinely brave for an HM, to the point of self-sacrifice; as exemplified in risking mass nomination by his housemeeting in "Weegate". His quips were quick, informed & amusing.

Yet, over the weeks, his sense of humour has been revealed to be absent when he's the object of another's wit. Where's the gentleness & sensivity in his derision of the clearly incapable Jade? Where's the congeniality in him harbouring grudges rather than resolving issues, or accepting defeat over them & moving on (eg with Jonny, again over "Weegate"). Where's the bravery now to risk being up for eviction - by voicing an opinion in support of a friend - through his refusal to publically nominate a fellow housemate (even Tim), to simply receive a telephone call from a loved one?


So where's my vote ...... with someone else!
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"It's simply less threatening & less effort [for him] to deny a perceived unmanliness than accept that there may be [some] truth to it".

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But he did.

MMMMMMMMMMMMHHHH! Werrrry Innnteresting!!!!

sorry, i'm honestly not extracting the 'wee-[gate]', i just kinda felt i ought to be on a couch as ai read this (i've had enough psych-therapy to know)

i agree with most/nearly all of your points and have been arguing, on this forum, for weeks that the term 'alpha-male' (as keeps being applied to alex) must have been redifined, drastically, since i touched psych in 1st year. soooo glad i didn't make that my undergrad!!!!! - watching the bb ones in action on sundays makes me want to speak to a few old profs just to confirm i'm not deluded.

i have yet to understand those who claim that they support alex due to his being funny (it must be important to distiquish between laughing with and laughing at).

i am resisting going on 'rant-mode' about my particular faults with alex - your post is particularly eloquent and forms the sum total of many of my posted comments as regards to him.

should there be further come-back, as undoubtedly there will - particularly in the run up to 27/07, then i will expand on this post.

Deerd
remembering, form just yesterday, tim (of all people) whispering 'master tactician' in relation to alex. mmmmmhhhmm!!!????? take or leave as you will!!!!

too true, reading through the threads Jonny's got more bashing than anyone.

Kate has had her towel ripped off by Jonny and her boob fell out, but there were no threads then.

Alex said the other week that Mel from BB1 was his ideal woman.
It's a funny old game.