in the face of many of the other postings citing context etc. i believe that your unease continues to be genuine, and accept it as such.

i think that you are now aware from your posting on another thread(s) that the lynch mob mentality that this started with was inappropriate and, indeed, precipitous.

however, i have little hope of you receiving an answer to/redress for you complaint (if found valid) until long after bb3 is over. the wheels they grind slow!!!

i disagree with you view on complaint but hope that your concerns receive due consideration

Deerd
in hope that at some point you feel satisfied that you've ben heard.

I'm not seeking retribution for what's happened. If the BSC think there are grounds to make a complaint, then fair enough. If not, then I will accept that as well. It's just that I felt uneasy with what I saw, as simple as that.

I wasn't trying to start up the lynch mob mentality. Every person has an opinion and is entitled to it.

With regard to the result, we just have to wait and see.

made a point of saying that i recognised that your unease was genuine.

never meant that you were part of lynch-mob mentality, indeed stressed that some of your later posts (on various threads) seemed to be more balanced.

sorry if i was too obscure.

Deerd
everyone has the right for a complaint to be heard - that's what makes the system right and fair!!!!

my belief in that is uncompromising!!!

Jesus friggin' Christ with knobs on, where do I complain to get my five minutes back?

mannnnnnnn! you're so right. got sucked in again - must stop that!!!!

PiggyOut could try Jesus Christ (using upper-case in your honour)

5min - depend how good your knees are (fanhar, fanhar).

now the 'friggin'' bit ought to take more than 5min - or am i just tooooo demanding????

knobs on? nahhh - ain't got one of those, so best not to comment!!!!

figuring that JC did have knobs on but the vatican's still got a strange policy on knobs. nevertheless, would complain to them first as i can only imagine that they have researchers watching bb in order to 'cum' up with the next 'papal bull' - with knobs on of course.

other than this become an alex 'trekkie' and reclaim your 5min in some space/time continum way.

Deerd
thinking that we'll prob meet on a jade thread soon.

...so perhaps you should think about complain about when Alex pinned down Kate as well - that was much more sexually aggressive rather than the incident with Jade which was more playful and to a certain extent similar to what she had done herself..

...oh but I forgot this is the Alex fan board..no worries - spesh you Trace..keep it up

"What I would like to see happen regarding my complaint, is something quite simple really. I just want BB to simply tell the HM's that forceably removing people's clothes isn't acceptable or deemed as entertainment. Surely, that can't be a lot to ask."

Who are you to decide what is and isn't entertaining for people? if you don't like it, switch off.


"If any HM had willfully taken their clothes off and ran around naked or had sex, I wouldn't have a problem, because they consented to it. But, the scenes with Jade made me personally feel uneasy, and it's not as if it's the first time it's happened to her"

Isn't that the point though? It continues to happen and she continues to let it happen with little fuss.

Jeez, I know everybody is entitled to their opinion, but surely some of this is going over the top? So, let me get this right, Kate and Jonny taking Jade's underwear off was sexual assault (even though, with Jade seemingly enjoying it, it's more likely to be a friendly mess around). Let's then take some other examples;

Jonny dumping Kate in the pool is physical assault
Alex pinning Kate down is physical assault
Adele is guilty of threatening behaviour in her argument with Jade

Basically, if anybody puts their finger on you without permission they are technically guilty of assault, but of course people aren't going to complain about it because, in reaility, no harm is meant. I say again, I understand that people have right to complain about what they want, but IMO some people on here seriously need to get a grip of reality or else everybody in that house is guilty of criminal behaviour in some way or another.

This is obviously another aim to get at Jonny and Kate. You are right , they are not the only ones who have indulged in this behaviour. Alex on numerous times has groped her boobs and like you said tried to get her towel off. On the other hand was it not Jade trying to strip of Alex while he was drunk. Pj himself in the pool had tried to get Jades bikini off.
The Jade strip was just not Jonny and Kate, all the lads were in on trying to get both the girls naked. It's just Kate was a bit more quicker on the up take, when she sussed out they were trying to change the rules constantly. Tim and Pj were as bad as they were working together on ensuring that Jade got totally confused and when she did were the ones who pointed it out.
It was down to Jade to decide whether she wanted to strip or not, if she really didn't want to do it then she wouldn't. Anyone who felt that uncomfortable with a situation no matter how much goading would not do it.
Kate herself has also had her towel ripped off of her by Jonny and ran off after her boob fell out. So this behaviour has been rife in the house and not just Jade as the target.
All of them were laughing in each of the incidents, if there was genuine distress then it would have been noted by the HMS.
There just seeing it as harmless fun and not doing it as harassment.

Was Kate protesting "NO" while forcibly held by PJ (or any other HM) and Jonny ripping off her towel? No.

I guess it's the "gang up" thing which involves more then one HM trying to forcibly strip another HM which bothers me.

Was Kate protesting NO when Alex sat astride her, Yes, did he stop, no. Did he pin her arms to the ground, yes.

It really seems to me that this is getting blown way out of proportion by some forum members just because of who was involved. They are seeing it as yet another opportunity to slag off the housemates that they don't like, even though other housemates have indulged in similar behaviour.

Could this not just be yet another manipulation exercise by channel 4?

They went overboard to make Jade look a total cabbage with the editing, I’m not saying Jade isn’t a cabbage but they sure showed her at her worst.

They then positively wet themselves in panic at the thought of Jade coming out to a riot of hatred, so much so they engineered a BS task to reduce the odds of her being evicted until they could reverse the spin that they themselves had started.

Now many of the people that reviled her in previous weeks are now leaping to her defence as a ‘almost’ rape victim because the C4 ‘edit’ just showed Jade being ‘attacked’ and nothing of Kate’s similar experience.

I think we are all being played like cheap fiddles!

You lot must really think you are losing the battle.
I never heard Jade complain, Sandy pissing in the bin, was disgusting.who did you complain to about that.

i wtched the bikini incident live, jade did indeed say no many times... then started to scream no and for kate to help her. she was laughing but crying at the same time. kate's reply to jade was to tell jonny to get jades pants off as well. jade then begged them to give them back to which jonny threw them into the garden .it was a few minutes b4 anyone handed her them back.
it made very uncomfortable viewing, rather like the othe night.
jade was clearly not happy , althought having wathed the edited bits on c4 you'd think she was loving it.
i have complained to the above link, not necessarily to get jonny and kate but to ask if channel 4 should perhaps have stopped this sort of vile behaviour.
sorry to get serious , but wouldn't like my daughter having that done to her, and sre you wouldn't either.

nelly-j

Have you ever thought of the possibility that she was crying with laughter? I saw it live too and I didn't see anything to be unduly concerned about....and by the way, I have kids too.

oh i get it, crying with laughter whilst screaming.."get off jonny leave me alon...kate help me ..please...stop it both of you"
you're so right sounds like fun to me .
sorry to get narky but really don't like this aspect on bb3

The people who approve of Jonnys behaviour towards Jade seem to use the reasoning that although she was screaming NO she wanted it really!! Now where have we heard that before.... it's a VERY dangerous example to set.

Jade was quite clearly saying no while Kate was holding her hands tight AND egging on Jonny to take Jades bikini bottom off. Just a laugh?
For those who compare this to Alex pinning down Kate - was Alex trying to strip Kate naked or encourage others to do so - NO !
It may not be assault or molestation or whatever but it seemed pretty nasty and humiliating (which I feel was what they consciously or subsconciously were aiming for).
Just because it's Jade - who is so disliked - doesn't mean none of us can sympathise with her when she is badly treated.

Nelly-j,

As I said, I watched it too and didn't see anything untoward going on. I would also say that, yes, what you've put down can also be interpreted as them having a laugh too. In the end, it comes down to did Jade take it seriously? Only Jade can answer that one.

kmac,

I don't really think that anybody's saying that she wanted it really, just that Jade maybe saw it for what it was, just a group of young people having a laugh?

Here's a thought for you. If Jade may have been so traumatised and upset by their actions, why hasn't she gone into the diary room and complained or talked about it? After all, she's shown she does get upset pretty easily.

Mr Omega - Good point, but two things, Alex and Kate were both heavily intoxicated, Alex wasn't trying to take Kate's clothes off. The main point being Alcohol, not an excuse, but a reason. There was no alcohol involved when Jonny and Kate whipped off Jade's bikini.

Sorry for the delay in my reply,but i had to sleep.

What i saw & heard on Saturdau afternoon through Real One Player was as follows.

Jade,Jonny & Kate were in the pool,while Alex & Tim watched from inside the house.

There was a lot of splashing in the pool,then the chicken cam.

Inside Tim said to Alex "serve her right for doing it to Jade".

When the feed to the pool returned,Kate's bikini had also been removed and she was asking Jade to get it for her.

For those people who were upset by Jonny and Kate removing Jade's clothes in the pool.

PLEASE STOP WATCHING BIG BROTHER. IT IS UNSUITABLE VIEWING FOR YOU. OR - STOP COMPLAINING!!

And here is another thought for you. How do you know that Jade didn't talk about it in the DR? And if she did, do you think that C4 will broadcast it? Do you think that C4 shows us everything said in the DR?

I would comment that these sort of things get out, as has been seen constantly during this series.

OK, for more substantial evidence, if Jade might have been so upset, why is she still going about business normally, and still being as open to Jonny and Kate as she was before? Don't you think, if it had affected her, she might have been shying away from them a bit?

its doesnt work like that tho. Jade, who has a poor self image, would keep her concerns to herself and think she was 'just being silly' to not like what happened, and, would try to ingratiate herself with the perpetuaters even more.

Like the person thats picked on at school, will do anythiong to be accepted by the people who are picking on them.