How is James mentioning his number at the good food show any different from Zoe and Ian dancing on the Brighton Pier and asking everyone who stopped to watch them to vote for them. Also Bill used to ask the Breakfast news viewers to vote for him with his number on the screen.

Anyway the calls raise some money for Children in need. So all phone calls count, no matter what reason people ring or who they vote for.

...and the question could be asked as to why he is the stranger.....Zoe certainly isn't as her or Ian are all over the TV like a rash.

If I were the one who's been overscored repeatedly I wouldn't be moaning at all, I'd probably keep my mouth shut and complimenting everyone (whether or not she think they are losers is quite another issue).

Can't quite put my finger on it myself guys but I think Colin will go before Zoe and Darren. Colin is a lovely Dancer and techincally he's very good but there's just something which could be to do with a little too much exaggeration with his upper body movement and his slightly jerky chasses and turns. I also think that he'll go the same way as Denise as I don't think he'll get the majority public vote when he's up against, Cheeky Chappie Darren. I'd love to see James stay in over Colin as well as his journey has been much tougher and he deserves to be given the chance.

Both Colin and Erin have a very dry sense of humour and its only when you see them more that you see that sense of fun they both have, its not as obvious as other couples so people aren't warming to them as much, also because they train in Wales they can't be on ITT as much as others either - Colin is technically a better dancer - Len said in his masterclass that Colin was still holding back with regard to dancing emotionally ie the Rumba - hopefully they will have a breakthrough this week

Could you explain what you mean by given the chance. James by his own admission should have gone 2 weeks ago.

I reckon there will be a shock exit this week or next! But we have to vote Patsy and Anton out! Not because I don't love Anton, I do! But he needs to dance in the Xmas Special with Lesley and if Patsy gets much further in this, it will be her dancing with Anton!!!

Nat
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It could happen, the GBP have been relatively compliant with the judges this year, except Bill and Karen, they have done 'as they were told' by the judges and got rid of the least capable performance. BUT the above mentioned GBP don't take lightly to being told what to do and how to vote in these things. Also this 'bucking the trend' could be due this week as the GBP were good little boys and girls after the previous week and got rid of Bill (which they didn't want too) after judges and everyone else told them the wrong couple went in Will and Hanna. I EXPECT a backlash and I suspect they have a surprise this year for the contestants and judges and that could well be Colin and Erin, though not being radical anti establishment types it might end up just saving a poor performer.

As said he isn't the most wonderful of tv 'performers' and that could just cause a backlash and it wouldn't take that poor a performance to let Colin to slip to third behind Zoe/Iain and Darren/Lilia.

Of course someone will claim it is racism.

What do you mean? Fiona Phillips was voted back for a solid 3 weeks despite (or possibly because of) being mauled by Craig and Arlene. With Siobhan Hayes, Jaye Jacobs, and Gloria Hunniford paying the price. I know this isn't Fiona's fault but on at least one occasion Fiona made a plea to the nation to vote her back as she had a great Rumba in store for the public which then turned out to be toe curlingly bad.

I was genuinely surprised by Patsy and Anton being in the last two despite coming 3rd as I thought the public warmed to someone who stood up to the judges as Bill had. When she did her "whatever...am I bovvered" bit backstage. But it seems the votes went to saving either Bill or James from being booted out.

As for Colin not being a TV performer I really think this is something where if it said often enough people will perceive to be a reality (just like Colin was meant to be good at Latin but not so hot at Ballroom. But apparently he mastered the Foxtrot in 6 hours....and we're told this is a really difficult dance). If there isn't anything for the public to warm to may I suggest it may be because he hasn't embarked on an affair with Erin. He isn't the "bloke's bloke" who's learned to dance, and quite clearly his dancing doesn't need the sympathy vote. With fewer couples left thankfully we are beginning to see more of Colin and Erin and their personalities

i just cant put my finger on it!! he is technically good, maybe its teh choergraphy, or however you spell it! but i just aint a fan and to be honest would like them to go before any of the others!!

Jaye Jacobs was the most dubious of the previous weeks evictions, Siobhan Hayes was pretty ropey and Gloria's partner got the sympathy vote (can never be easy parking an oil tanker). Fiona had deserved to stay partly because Brendan wrang (not her neck) an almost passable performance out of her.

And I am sorry 'embarking on an affair' with their partners shows disrespect to the idea and is staggeringly unprofessional by any pro dancer. And get's the big thumbs down from me.

Just answered those two points you mentioned cos frankly my original post was meant light heartedly, BUT I do think somewhere in the next couple of weeks the public are going to get a little bit bolshie (in a very British way) and upset the judges and those who know about ballroom dancing and 'cause an upset' and save an appaling performing couple or dump someone after one of their best perfomances. Some might call it a reaction by the sympathy vote, I sometimes think it is a subconscious reaction to the likes of Arlene and Craig 'having a go at that nice .......' And isn't that why SCD can run for 8 weeks not just 2, cos there is always the threat of the shock.

May I say that if you can't put your finger on it then it doesn't exist. This certain missing "something" I think is something that Arlene said only when she was put on spot by the Heat magazine journo about why Colin wasn't getting the 9's and 10's. She then went on to echo Len Goodman's assessment of Colins inability to get a 10 because "he bobs up and down on the pivot" whilst doing the Foxtrot. But as you said you are not a fan and would just like them to go. So isn't this more about you personal favourites and not dancing ability?

No it does exsist, because several people online are the same, and i am a massive athletics fan too! so it isnt that i dont like colin.

There is just some element missing from it, its like the X in the X factor!??? people can be techincally good, but doent mean they are the best at performing, because if they cant do that well, it doesnt matter how techincally perfect it is, its just got something missing! Darren has it, zoe has it, even in a little thing, patsy has it!! james doesnt either!

I don't think it exists as some independent "fact" just because some people posting on an internet forum happen to have the same view. It's just a matter of opinion.

For me, Colin most certainly does does have it, but I acknowledge that this is probably because I fancy those tight, black pants off him. Colin is the physical type that turns me on. For me, Darren most definitely doesn't have it. Great lumbering oxes (just my opinion) are a definite turn-off, so whilst I might admire his ability to get to grips with a dance, the aesthetic just makes me shudder.
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I also think Colin and Erin's dances are just dull they do lack some think I'm just not excited by them.

I loved Patsy and Anton dance last week even if she went wrong it just had that something that Colin lacks.

I don't think Erin comes across well either and its not editing before you all start she has been like it in the last 3 series. She always makes remarks about the others.

Where as Zoe has enthusiasm for everybody and it looks genuine.

Zoe has my vote and i want her to win James second

Of course it exists but your confusing the best all round dancer with who you fancy.

Thankyou for putting me straight.

Goodness, and there was me thinking the opposite! What's emerging for me this year is that, not only do the public dislike the judges being too harsh, and respond with a sympathy vote, but they also see through overmarking. I felt that the reason Patsy and Anton ended up in the last two after her quickstep, wasn't anything to do with her personally, it was a reaction by the public to the judges overmarking her. They simply voted for someone else that week.

What I'd be especially interested to know, is where Zoe and Ian end up after the public vote. I suspect it probably isn't in the number one spot.

glad to be of service

I don't think Colin & Erin will be going out this week, but they could be in the bottom two if James is as popular as I think he is; if they are in the bottom two, then I think it is unlikely that they will make the final (which would be a shame). I think Patsy & Anton will be leaving this week, but I could be wrong (about everything!)

Colin & Erin's dancing lacks something for me too; they don't wow me with a sense of occasion or chemistry or charm like some of the other couples do (an entirely subjective judgement), but I try to ignore that and admire the technical aspects of their dancing instead. I don't understand the "we must conceal our desire to win or people will hate us" thing at all.

So its not just me then!! thank god!!

At the end of the day what I am trying to get at is that people undoutedly have the personal faves. That's fine with me as it is their perogative. What I have noticed in this thread and some others is that people then project their dislikes/indifference/insults onto their non-faves dancing ability in my opinion.And suddenly all these other extraneous factors become vitally important. I am a 100% Colin fan through and through but I voted for Zoe and Ian's Tango last week because they were just hands down the BEST on the nite. Maybe I should now go on about how the strained look she had at one point during the Tango means she isn't really that good and deserves to go.

I dont understand what you mean that some one will claim its racisim?

If they didnt do well on the night and their dance was not as good as the other contestants then they deserve to go, im mixed race and wouldnt feel that it would be racist at all.

How can you say that the Latin dances were lacking in passion ??????? or maybe it was just sexiness.............now I'm confused. I think that he's really good, but I'm not so keen on Erin

What I have found is that all the friends I have who watch SCD are getting seriously peeved with the judges and their constant underscoring of Colin and Erin and therefore voting for them, I know I am, I know many others who feel the same.

Bruno's constant arselicking of Ian is getting right on my nerves and has ensured come what may I wont vote for Zoe and Ian...

The shock exit could well be Bruno's beloved Ian and Zoe, public thinking they are safe and not doing so well in quite a tough latin dance.