Premiere goes HD today - 3 Dec

bayards · 03-12-2005, 16:08

Germany's version of BSKyB goes HD today with 3 channels of documentary, sport and film. BSkyB is a shareholder in Premiere - so they will probably be keeping an eye on the launch.

It's interesting that Sat1 and Pro7 (equivalent of say commercial ITV here) have already been in sumulcast HD for 2 weeks or so. So that's 3 services up and running - fat chance of seeing ITV in HD here for a while.

The first MPEG4 receivers are shown as hitting the German shops next Saturday....

It's all happening in Europe at last. For German speakers here is a link to their HD micro site:

Premiere HD .

Howard

bayards · 04-12-2005, 09:56

I asked for confirmation on www.hdtvtotal.com yesterday (thread here (site also has an English section).

The reply is "yes" and that about 1000 people were able to tune in courtesy of a competition to win Pace receivers. Other than that MPEG4 boxes are in short supply and only start appearing from 9 December in some German shops....

Howard

Harshad · 04-12-2005, 11:17

So they are ahead of the UK, I thought Sky were at the forefront of digital technology, I take it there are not!

Jarrak · 04-12-2005, 11:48

SKY have never been pioneers in the global sense after all they were not the first with a domestic digital sat service and their SKY+ is based on a NDS design. HD is built around global and EU standards so again SKY is just one player in a big game with local markets deciding who launches first.

The SKY middleware based on OPEN has been a leader in the field has as SKY's productions of sporting events but when it comes to hardware they are a buyer not a creator.

pHo · 04-12-2005, 14:42

the uk is behind at everything, despite our so-called connection to europe, the brits tend to not really admit the fact that the germans are usually ahead of us when it comes to broadcasting.

i hate dubbing, i refuse to watch a film not in its native language, its a shame europe doesn't feel the same was as me, or we'd all have english movies with optional german subs being shown in hdtv we could all receive. hohum!

bayards · 04-12-2005, 15:55

Sky is 24% investor in Premiere - so they will see what teething troubles are in store before our launch in 2006.

We are also getting confirmed 7 channels in HD, whereas Premiere has 3. So not so bad - but still can't wait to get a Premiere box so I can listen in asap!

H

red-wrapper · 09-12-2005, 19:02

I understand that the german broadcaster is about to start transmissions in HD.

Does anyone know what frequencies they may be using. I assume it will be on ASTRA at 19degrees. I sure would like to know.

Thanks Ronald

bayards · 10-12-2005, 16:30

Astra 1H (19.2E) - 11914.50 H - DVB-S2 - 27500 9/10

Have a look at www.kingofsat.net and their HD bit on the home page....

Howard

serras · 24-12-2005, 10:38

The launch of HD in Germany was only a date for the history book and the press. Pro7 and Sat1 (ProSiebenSat1 AG) launched their programms in the middle of october and Premiere at the beginning of december, but nobody can see these programms. The HD-receiver should be available since november, but until now only some receiver are in big shops for demo reason but not for sale. The new release date is middle of januar. And because of the new DVB-S2 even PCs cannot watch the programms.
Pro7 HD and Sat1 HD are FTA and the Premiere programms should be free for subscribers from middle of november till end of this year, but without receivers nobody can see it. After that each channel will cost 14,90 EUR or 12 EUR for all 3 channels, if you subscribe all other Premiere channels.

Grettings from Germany and merry christmas.
Sebastian

T183 · 24-12-2005, 11:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by serras

The launch of HD in Germany was only a date for the history book and the press. Pro7 and Sat1 (ProSiebenSat1 AG) launched their programms in the middle of october and Premiere at the beginning of december, but nobody can see these programms. The HD-receiver should be available since november, but until now only some receiver are in big shops for demo reason but not for sale. The new release date is middle of januar. And because of the new DVB-S2 even PCs cannot watch the programms.
Pro7 HD and Sat1 HD are FTA and the Premiere programms should be free for subscribers from middle of november till end of this year, but without receivers nobody can see it. After that each channel will cost 14,90 EUR or 12 EUR for all 3 channels, if you subscribe all other Premiere channels.

Grettings from Germany and merry christmas.
Sebastian

Wow, 14,90 EUR for just one channel. How much does its cost to subscribe to all other Premiere channels?

Greetings from America and Merry Christmas to you Sebastion.

bayards · 24-12-2005, 12:40

Premiere complete is Euro 47.90 a month and HD will be Euro 13 on top of that - so total Euro 60.90 (or £41.69) - at least with Sky we get plenty more channels and even in HD we will have about 8 to choose from. Not bad.

H

T183 · 24-12-2005, 13:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by bayards

Premiere complete is Euro 47.90 a month and HD will be Euro 13 on top of that - so total Euro 60.90 (or £41.69) - at least with Sky we get plenty more channels and even in HD we will have about 8 to choose from. Not bad.

H

That's not too bad. When i saw the 14.90 per channel that definitely looked bad. They are basically trying to force people into getting the top package. Understandable.

A few channels to start with is not bad at all. If you do in fact get eight channels to start with then that is a very good start. The existing American channels and programming sure helps.

I'll be switching to satellite soon and that will get me around 25 with a few more expected in the beginning of the year.

bayards · 24-12-2005, 16:18

Yup, the Sky initial offering currently stands at:

Sky One
Sky Movies 1
Sky Movies 2
Artsworld
Sky Sports
National Geographic
History Channel
Sky Box Office

expected (even certain)

Discovery
MTV

likely

BBC 1 simulcast

In Jan's "Wotsat" there is mention that C4 and ITV are in talks with BBC about HD sharing next year....

H

rupertoid · 29-12-2005, 09:39

It's said that DVB-S2 - PCI-type cards for computers are coming to shops next spring in Germany. Some Korean or Chinese manufacturers

bayards · 29-12-2005, 14:27

...and just been reading over at AVS forum that the Reelbox Lite (Germany) can handle DVB-S2 with addition of the correct tuner module. One reader has the new box with everything already fitted....

H

serras · 30-12-2005, 09:33

The Reelbox is a very special box. It was released with a delay of over 2 years and therefore it is very improbable that a DVB-S2-tuner appears soon.

The first test-users had the new Pace-HDTV-box. It is very hot, but not very buggy.
On the Premiere HD-channels there are only a 6 hour test loop. So there are no normal programm. The picture quality is on Discorvery HD the best.

Sebastian

bayards · 30-12-2005, 09:44

Thanks for that Sebastian. I see that some German stores "may" be stocking the Humax PR-HD1000 HDTV Premiere box from 20th Jan (ATELCO and hardwareversand.de) - so looking good.....

I've got one on reserve from Switzerland....

Howard

belson · 30-12-2005, 13:31

the the secend audio on premire hdtv is english also ?

camaj · 30-12-2005, 14:46

I'm assuming you need a motorised dish to recieve these channels though?

bayards · 30-12-2005, 20:46

I was in Austria last week and the Premiere on hotel TV was in both English and German (on 2 sep channels of ocurse) so i would say yes. In the past when I've watched Premiere there has been an alternative soundtrack.

And to Camaj - yes a motorized or second dish pointed to 19.2 East - the old Sky spot will get you that - and of course the free to air German HD stations.

H

Cable · 01-01-2006, 16:37

Well, seems like PACE gives more attention to Sky`s DVR HD box as to PREMIERE.

The excuse for the late release is on both ends that they haven`t got any MPEG-4 chips, or that they have late picture sounds issues.

If you look over the pond you`ll see that this can`t be right in any point, cause in the US they sell MPEG-4 Receivers for HD and they already fixed the picture/sound issues. They now on the way to start the locals in MPEG-4 HD in all the big markets across the US. Latest market was New York and L.A a week ago.

Cable

Jarrak · 01-01-2006, 18:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cable

Well, seems like PACE gives more attention to Sky`s DVR HD box as to PREMIERE.

The excuse for the late release is on both ends that they haven`t got any MPEG-4 chips, or that they have late picture sounds issues.
If you look over the pond you`ll see that this can`t be right in any point, cause in the US they sell MPEG-4 Receivers for HD and they already fixed the picture/sound issues. They now on the way to start the locals in MPEG-4 HD in all the big markets across the US. Latest market was New York and L.A a week ago.

PACE are not making the SKY+ HD, the initial contract went to Thomson but no doubt other manufacturers will come on board at a later date.

Got to admire the US, when they make a decision it's implemented fairly quickly although one hiccup is the mpeg4 HD DVR replacement for the DirecTV Tivo

I suspect the US may have been able to place solid orders for chipsets while EU broadcasters will still considering basic design requirments not to mention a manufacturer will always favour the bigger customer and perhaps US STB suppliers have their own fab plants making the chipsets.

stvn758 · 05-01-2006, 04:25

From TVWEEK.COM

By Jon Lafayette

MTV Networks will launch MHD, a high-definition music channel that will feature content from MTV, VH1 and CMT, in January, the company said Tuesday. MHD "will be a totally immersive experience," said Van Toffler, MTV Networks Music Group president, "a home base for music lovers of all stripes." Jeffrey Yap, executive VP of MTV Networks Music and Logo Enterprise Group, said that music is one of the top categories consumers want in high definition. Watching the new channel will be like having "a concert in your living room, except the beer is free and there's no lines for the bathroom." Programming for the network will include such shows as MTV's "Unplugged," VH1's "Storytellers" and CMT's "Crossroads" and events including the MTV Video Music Awards and VH1's "Big." The network will also look to acquire concert video. MTV executives said the network already has some carriage agreements and some advertiser support but declined to identify those companies.
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bayards · 05-01-2006, 17:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cable

The excuse for the late release is on both ends that they haven`t got any MPEG-4 chips...

German shops now seem to have 19th Jan as date for first batch of MPEG4 receivers in stock....

H

03-12-2005, 16:08	#1
bayards Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: South Lincs Posts: 1,862	Premiere goes HD today - 3 Dec Germany's version of BSKyB goes HD today with 3 channels of documentary, sport and film. BSkyB is a shareholder in Premiere - so they will probably be keeping an eye on the launch. It's interesting that Sat1 and Pro7 (equivalent of say commercial ITV here) have already been in sumulcast HD for 2 weeks or so. So that's 3 services up and running - fat chance of seeing ITV in HD here for a while. The first MPEG4 receivers are shown as hitting the German shops next Saturday.... It's all happening in Europe at last. For German speakers here is a link to their HD micro site: Premiere HD . Howard

09-12-2005, 19:02	#7
red-wrapper Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Berkshire UK Posts: 62	Premiere HD Broadcasts I understand that the german broadcaster is about to start transmissions in HD. Does anyone know what frequencies they may be using. I assume it will be on ASTRA at 19degrees. I sure would like to know. Thanks Ronald

04-12-2005, 09:56	#2
bayards Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: South Lincs Posts: 1,862	I asked for confirmation on www.hdtvtotal.com yesterday (thread here (site also has an English section). The reply is "yes" and that about 1000 people were able to tune in courtesy of a competition to win Pace receivers. Other than that MPEG4 boxes are in short supply and only start appearing from 9 December in some German shops.... Howard

04-12-2005, 11:17	#3
Harshad Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: UK Posts: 5,862	So they are ahead of the UK, I thought Sky were at the forefront of digital technology, I take it there are not!

04-12-2005, 11:48	#4
Jarrak Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Ilkeston Posts: 18,075	SKY have never been pioneers in the global sense after all they were not the first with a domestic digital sat service and their SKY+ is based on a NDS design. HD is built around global and EU standards so again SKY is just one player in a big game with local markets deciding who launches first. The SKY middleware based on OPEN has been a leader in the field has as SKY's productions of sporting events but when it comes to hardware they are a buyer not a creator.

04-12-2005, 14:42	#5
pHo Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cardiff Posts: 581	the uk is behind at everything, despite our so-called connection to europe, the brits tend to not really admit the fact that the germans are usually ahead of us when it comes to broadcasting. i hate dubbing, i refuse to watch a film not in its native language, its a shame europe doesn't feel the same was as me, or we'd all have english movies with optional german subs being shown in hdtv we could all receive. hohum!

04-12-2005, 15:55	#6
bayards Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: South Lincs Posts: 1,862	Sky is 24% investor in Premiere - so they will see what teething troubles are in store before our launch in 2006. We are also getting confirmed 7 channels in HD, whereas Premiere has 3. So not so bad - but still can't wait to get a Premiere box so I can listen in asap! H

10-12-2005, 16:30	#8
bayards Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: South Lincs Posts: 1,862	Astra 1H (19.2E) - 11914.50 H - DVB-S2 - 27500 9/10 Have a look at www.kingofsat.net and their HD bit on the home page.... Howard

24-12-2005, 10:38	#9
serras Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Germany (NRW) Posts: 4	The launch of HD in Germany was only a date for the history book and the press. Pro7 and Sat1 (ProSiebenSat1 AG) launched their programms in the middle of october and Premiere at the beginning of december, but nobody can see these programms. The HD-receiver should be available since november, but until now only some receiver are in big shops for demo reason but not for sale. The new release date is middle of januar. And because of the new DVB-S2 even PCs cannot watch the programms. Pro7 HD and Sat1 HD are FTA and the Premiere programms should be free for subscribers from middle of november till end of this year, but without receivers nobody can see it. After that each channel will cost 14,90 EUR or 12 EUR for all 3 channels, if you subscribe all other Premiere channels. Grettings from Germany and merry christmas. Sebastian

24-12-2005, 11:05	#10
T183 Banned User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 70	Quote: Originally Posted by serras The launch of HD in Germany was only a date for the history book and the press. Pro7 and Sat1 (ProSiebenSat1 AG) launched their programms in the middle of october and Premiere at the beginning of december, but nobody can see these programms. The HD-receiver should be available since november, but until now only some receiver are in big shops for demo reason but not for sale. The new release date is middle of januar. And because of the new DVB-S2 even PCs cannot watch the programms. Pro7 HD and Sat1 HD are FTA and the Premiere programms should be free for subscribers from middle of november till end of this year, but without receivers nobody can see it. After that each channel will cost 14,90 EUR or 12 EUR for all 3 channels, if you subscribe all other Premiere channels. Grettings from Germany and merry christmas. Sebastian Wow, 14,90 EUR for just one channel. How much does its cost to subscribe to all other Premiere channels? Greetings from America and Merry Christmas to you Sebastion.

24-12-2005, 12:40	#11
bayards Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: South Lincs Posts: 1,862	Premiere complete is Euro 47.90 a month and HD will be Euro 13 on top of that - so total Euro 60.90 (or £41.69) - at least with Sky we get plenty more channels and even in HD we will have about 8 to choose from. Not bad. H

24-12-2005, 13:54	#12
T183 Banned User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 70	Quote: Originally Posted by bayards Premiere complete is Euro 47.90 a month and HD will be Euro 13 on top of that - so total Euro 60.90 (or £41.69) - at least with Sky we get plenty more channels and even in HD we will have about 8 to choose from. Not bad. H That's not too bad. When i saw the 14.90 per channel that definitely looked bad. They are basically trying to force people into getting the top package. Understandable. A few channels to start with is not bad at all. If you do in fact get eight channels to start with then that is a very good start. The existing American channels and programming sure helps. I'll be switching to satellite soon and that will get me around 25 with a few more expected in the beginning of the year.

24-12-2005, 16:18	#13
bayards Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: South Lincs Posts: 1,862	Yup, the Sky initial offering currently stands at: Sky One Sky Movies 1 Sky Movies 2 Artsworld Sky Sports National Geographic History Channel Sky Box Office expected (even certain) Discovery MTV likely BBC 1 simulcast In Jan's "Wotsat" there is mention that C4 and ITV are in talks with BBC about HD sharing next year.... H

29-12-2005, 09:39	#14
rupertoid Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 108	It's said that DVB-S2 - PCI-type cards for computers are coming to shops next spring in Germany. Some Korean or Chinese manufacturers

29-12-2005, 14:27	#15
bayards Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: South Lincs Posts: 1,862	...and just been reading over at AVS forum that the Reelbox Lite (Germany) can handle DVB-S2 with addition of the correct tuner module. One reader has the new box with everything already fitted.... H

30-12-2005, 09:33	#16
serras Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Germany (NRW) Posts: 4	The Reelbox is a very special box. It was released with a delay of over 2 years and therefore it is very improbable that a DVB-S2-tuner appears soon. The first test-users had the new Pace-HDTV-box. It is very hot, but not very buggy. On the Premiere HD-channels there are only a 6 hour test loop. So there are no normal programm. The picture quality is on Discorvery HD the best. Sebastian

30-12-2005, 09:44	#17
bayards Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: South Lincs Posts: 1,862	Thanks for that Sebastian. I see that some German stores "may" be stocking the Humax PR-HD1000 HDTV Premiere box from 20th Jan (ATELCO and hardwareversand.de) - so looking good..... I've got one on reserve from Switzerland.... Howard

30-12-2005, 13:31	#18
belson Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,058	the the secend audio on premire hdtv is english also ?

30-12-2005, 14:46	#19
camaj Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 813	I'm assuming you need a motorised dish to recieve these channels though?

30-12-2005, 20:46	#20
bayards Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: South Lincs Posts: 1,862	I was in Austria last week and the Premiere on hotel TV was in both English and German (on 2 sep channels of ocurse) so i would say yes. In the past when I've watched Premiere there has been an alternative soundtrack. And to Camaj - yes a motorized or second dish pointed to 19.2 East - the old Sky spot will get you that - and of course the free to air German HD stations. H

01-01-2006, 16:37	#21
Cable Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 222	Well, seems like PACE gives more attention to Sky`s DVR HD box as to PREMIERE. The excuse for the late release is on both ends that they haven`t got any MPEG-4 chips, or that they have late picture sounds issues. If you look over the pond you`ll see that this can`t be right in any point, cause in the US they sell MPEG-4 Receivers for HD and they already fixed the picture/sound issues. They now on the way to start the locals in MPEG-4 HD in all the big markets across the US. Latest market was New York and L.A a week ago. Cable

01-01-2006, 18:05	#22
Jarrak Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Ilkeston Posts: 18,075	Quote: Originally Posted by Cable Well, seems like PACE gives more attention to Sky`s DVR HD box as to PREMIERE. The excuse for the late release is on both ends that they haven`t got any MPEG-4 chips, or that they have late picture sounds issues. If you look over the pond you`ll see that this can`t be right in any point, cause in the US they sell MPEG-4 Receivers for HD and they already fixed the picture/sound issues. They now on the way to start the locals in MPEG-4 HD in all the big markets across the US. Latest market was New York and L.A a week ago. PACE are not making the SKY+ HD, the initial contract went to Thomson but no doubt other manufacturers will come on board at a later date. Got to admire the US, when they make a decision it's implemented fairly quickly although one hiccup is the mpeg4 HD DVR replacement for the DirecTV Tivo I suspect the US may have been able to place solid orders for chipsets while EU broadcasters will still considering basic design requirments not to mention a manufacturer will always favour the bigger customer and perhaps US STB suppliers have their own fab plants making the chipsets.

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05-01-2006, 04:25	#23
stvn758 Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 17,338	From TVWEEK.COM By Jon Lafayette MTV Networks will launch MHD, a high-definition music channel that will feature content from MTV, VH1 and CMT, in January, the company said Tuesday. MHD "will be a totally immersive experience," said Van Toffler, MTV Networks Music Group president, "a home base for music lovers of all stripes." Jeffrey Yap, executive VP of MTV Networks Music and Logo Enterprise Group, said that music is one of the top categories consumers want in high definition. Watching the new channel will be like having "a concert in your living room, except the beer is free and there's no lines for the bathroom." Programming for the network will include such shows as MTV's "Unplugged," VH1's "Storytellers" and CMT's "Crossroads" and events including the MTV Video Music Awards and VH1's "Big." The network will also look to acquire concert video. MTV executives said the network already has some carriage agreements and some advertiser support but declined to identify those companies. __________________ GuyTv, Tv for Guys. \| HighTech Tv \| HDTV Daily Listings!

05-01-2006, 17:46	#24
bayards Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: South Lincs Posts: 1,862	Quote: Originally Posted by Cable The excuse for the late release is on both ends that they haven`t got any MPEG-4 chips... German shops now seem to have 19th Jan as date for first batch of MPEG4 receivers in stock.... H