TSR thank you for that last post it was the best laugh I've had in since starting to read anything on this forum.

I think that it is funny how we all see different things I think that it is Jonny who bitches the most. He does not act the joker to cheer others up but to be the centre of attraction. Anyway I don't think that these discussions will change anyones minds as they are already made up.

I might be the only person to say this but I prefer Tim to Jonny no reason I just do.

As someone who supports Jonny ive also got a bit of a theory. Feel free to shout me down. Im sure someone will.
Most (not all) of those who seem to be fanatically against Jonny have not come into contact with northern, working class, rough round the edges, males.
I come from Yorkshire, but moved to the N.E a couple of years ago. Im reasonably well educated but with friends from a variety of backgrounds. In my job for the NHS i come into contact with lots of people of a normal working class background who've hardly ever even left their immediate environment. Their main source of enjoyment may be an evening at the 'club' and a fortnight in Torremalenos (?spelling).
They may swear a bit, get pissed on a friday night, and lose their clothing on a stag night. This may be alien to some people but not if you live in a council estate in this area, or one of the run down ex pit villages. Many of the girls I see on a friday night out around here are similar and the atmosphere is usually loud but good natured.
But what I can honestly say is, the vast majority of these people are thoroughly decent, and ive been made to feel more welcome here than anywhere ive lived.
Jonny seems pretty typical to me. But I believe people misinterpret his behaviour because they are not familiar with the environment that moulded him.
This is why ive defended Jonny against some of the criticism. Unfortunately I think there is an element of purposely misinterpreting him in order to add weight to arguments and Im sure that will continue.
As for lists of reasons to like him, well mine are further up the thread. He is just a pretty ordinary bloke trying to make the most of his time in the house. Probably not someone I would have a great deal in common with, but someone who i will continue to support and defend if necessary.

Bob

Not related to Jonny, not a mate, never met him, before anyone suggests otherwise

A_Different_Bob I respect your views ,but nobody else seems to be able to articulate their views as to why Jonny should win. I'm still not convinced.
ps. my father was Yorkshire born and bred.

Jonny to me seems typical of of the type of bloke you would find down the Bigg Market or on the Quayside on a weekend night.

(Bearing in mind you said most not all)

However I must state that I am working class, from Yorkshire, I lived in sunderland for three years and I've come into contact with many rough around the edges males.

And I still think Jonny is an idiot and a faker.

Couldn't resist this...must be the alcohol at this time of night!



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and (whisper) [SIZE=1]I don't like Jonny[/SIZE]


Must tell you a funny but true story before I go..
When we moved from the North our new neighbour(ex Londoner) said to us..."'ere, they told me you two were ******** (can't put in the profession for fear of abuse ) but I of course put them straight and said "they can't be...they're Northerners!
Obviously no schools in the North then...or are we all thick?
YOU DECIDE.

Fair point, and more concise than mine

Fantastic, honest stuff Bob.

<tongue in cheek>
Champions of 'working class heroes' never seem to realise that the same people they cheer (especially equity card-holding wannabes) are looking for the first opportunity to change their lives and drop them asap.

Now why do I have a mental image of Jonny moving to London and leaving his old muckas behind, holidaying in Tahiti, sipping pims and reading his latest (bit part) script....?
<tongue out of cheek>



Come on Jonny fans, help Bob along a bit, he is single handedly carrying the torch for reasoned Pro-Jonny opinion!!

A-different-Bob

Just an observation.....not intended as anything more

I'm from Yorkshire but now living in the 'Garden Of England.' There are lots of working class people down here too....and do you know, I've never heard the F word as often in my life..that isn't meant to be funny..they really do use it a lot. I personally just think people are people are people no matter where they come from..there is good in all, and not so good in all except me

First of all Bob, thanks for taking part in this.

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I used mromega's quote as both you and he touched on something similar.

Me and others, such as Mad Paro Cat, are from working class backgrounds.

The fact that we're not big Jonny fans has nothing to do with us not being used to being around that sort of person, or that we are not familiar with that background.
I've come across much rougher, drinking, swearing types than Jonny.

Jonny might SEEM to be typical of the type of bloke both you and mromega mention, but for some of us, it just doesn't sit right.

For me he just seems to be too much of the working class stereotype. I'm not saying that he's acting all the time, but to me it feels as though he's hiding too much of his personality.

So for many of us, his working classness(if that's a word), is absolutely nothing to do with it.

I know this isn't supposed to be a Jonny bashing thread, but a couple of the main reasons I'm not keen on him, is that I don't believe from his actions on screen, that he is sincere with people there.
I think he's self-centred, and doesn't understand or recognise that other people may want to be different to himself.
I actually like "basic humour" as Sandy described, but not just basic humour all the time. I think a lot of Jonny's humour can be too contrived at times.


Actually it should be a contradiction that I like Alex, because he seems to be of a more middle class background to me.

So no, many of us here have working class backgrounds, and aware of people similar to Jonny.
The thing is, that the people who I have met who are similar in ways to Jonny, are also people that I just didn't trust.

On screen, I always watch his eyes when he talks, and I find it very difficult to warm to the guy.

Thanks again for being part of the thread Bob, as you could have opened youself up to the more aggressive posters.

This is turning into a very interesting thread. TSR and Sparkles have made me laugh hysterically (oh my god I sounded just like Adele).

Thank you a_different_Bob for your posts enlightening us as to why you support Johnny. Its a shame you are not getting any help from any other supporters - still I expect they are to busy slagging Alex off on another thread (becoming cynical ). Seriously, I don't want to shout anybody down for their views, as we are all entitled to our own opinions. Some of us are just really puzzled as to why there are so many Johnny supporters and why they can't tell us why they support him (whats the big secret, guys?).

For me the main reason I don't like Johnny is because I feel he is so insincere - playing the role of the perfect HM - and I really prefer genuine people "warts and all" like Alex, or even Jade.

i seem to be unusual, in that i like both johnny and alex (and kate). of the three i like johnny the best because:

1. he seems humble about his appearance (cartoon character face? aww, it just made me want to hug him!)

2. he is considerate to others and tries not to leave anyone out, eg talking to jade when no one else will, trying to get alex and tim to join in all the fun

3. he has stayed faithful to his fiance

4. he tries to make the best of a bad situation, and is inventive enough to entertain himself, the other hms and the viewers

5. he has managed to keep his temper most of the time, and not hold any grudges, despite hearing from various sources about how he is not being himself, is acting up to the cameras, has basic humor (evil sandy ) etc.

6. he has clearly been under considerable strain (shown in his weight loss etc) but has managed to stay cheerful and not complain more than necessary

7. he has a gorgeous accent

8. he's got sex appeal in a strong fireman sort of a way

9 he just seems a nice, honest, down to earth type of bloke who has been slightly disillusioned by the big bro experience

nobody's perfect - sometimes he is a bit too fond of taking off clothes for my liking, and his wish to get drunk every night can wear a bit thin. Alex has his good points too, but i think this message is long enough already!

btw, i am not a northener, i dont hate londoners, i a fanatic book reader and im not ugly! also concerning other threads about the influence of editing, i watch c4, e4, bblb, and read all the news on the website (i have too much time on my hands!)

thank you and good night
wyrd_sister2

Well said, couldn't have put it better.

wyrd_sister 2 - thanks for your post. I would be interested in your reasons for liking Alex too. As you are one of the only posters who likes both Alex and Johnny and because you put up a decent argument in support of Johnny. See other Johnny supporters, it can be done.

I wish I could believe he is just a nice honest down-to-earth bloke, but I really believe that he is being most of the points covered by your post because he thinks this is what the viewing public want him to be. I really would rather see him lose his temper, or show something that would prove he is not acting for the cameras. Waiting for Johnny to err -for to err is human (getting philosopical - must be time for me to go to bed).

Anyway, great post. Thanks.

Well, apart from a few minor faults, I think that Jonny is a really nice man. But if you asked me if I wanted to watch him for say, another month in the house, with Kate or Jade, I'd probably say no. Alex would be a different matter. I just wanna find out more about HIM......

Jonny has a good chance of winning on a 'man of the people' ticket....He hasn't really done anything to offend (but then he hasn't done anything to excite either)

OK, I'm from County Durham (and no, it's not my only reason for liking Jonny). My reasons for liking Jonny: he tries to get on with people, he's entertaining and he's GENUINE.

Where I live, there are a lot of people like Jonny. People who have quirks like him, have similar humour as he does and act like he does. They aren't doing it for any "cameras", it's just the way they are and I believe that Jonny as we see on screen is being Jonny... as he would be if he was out with his mates.

When you're from a different part of the country and you don't come in contact with people like Jonny, then I am unsurprised that people don't know what to make of him (they will think "is he for real or is it an act"?).

If you don't like Jonny for his humour or his quirks, then fine. If you attempt to accuse him of being "fake" or an "act" then I see that as unfair from my own personal experience.

Without wishing to stray too far from the original point of this thread I'd just like to mention my own personal experience of Geordies.

I have some good friends (ex-miners) in Seaham and yes they do like a drink in the Club from time to time and they do have a great sense of humour and of course they love the Mams their Mates and their family. What they also have is an innate sense of decency and fairness and they would be appaled at much of the bullying and offensive behaviour which has characterised Jonny's behaviour in the house so far.

Please dont think that Jonny is representative normal Geordie behaviour.

PS If you want to have a go at me on this please set up another thread cos its not strictly what this thread is about.

When BB3 started I first wanted Johnny out but it seems that the public this time have had very little control over the voting. That's why this series has not had the appeal that BB2 had. The HMs haven't a clue about the way the public feel. The fact that one week's vote was based on a random task is proof that BB3 is being manipulated by C4. I'm sure this was done to prevent Jade being voted out.
All the decent HMs have gone. Alison was the only one with any real warmth. I don't particularly want Jonny to win but if if prevents the obscene Alex and the even more obscene Jade winning that's fine with me.

He has been very genuine in being the main comforter of the housemates. Compassionate and sensitive and yet has had to deal with all his own problems himself as they all think he is strong. The accusations he has recieved from hms of acting I believe are very unfounded. What they don't realise is that firemen are like this as they see such attrocities in their proffession that the only way to wind down and put these things to the back of their minds is to have fun. Playacting I don't think so as I think with Jonny what you see is what you get. Also I think he has held his temper very well towards some of the condecending remarks he has had. Is not malicious towards his other hms and only talks about others when they have upset him. He has not had an easy ride as his dramatic change in appearance has proven this and if he was just a playactor he would never of got into the depression that caused this haggered look something that cannot be denied as real with anyone who is not blind. Its not that Alex is without qualities either as I find him naturally funny and is very genuine eventhough I think he may be a bit selfish. However he is a gentleman and is very thoughtful towards women and watching him itch to join in the fun at the w/e, but his resevations stopping him pained me. I think he dosn't want to be seen as false because he would be going back on everything he has voiced beforehand with poisoness Adele. Its funny that she is the only hm to plant this seed of doubt into hms minds and watched them grow. Well if Alex drops his reservations next week, I for one will not think it of him and actually will think more of him as I love the real Alex the one who just loves to have fun.

That statement is FALSE (did you hear what Sandy and Jade were saying about Jonny?), she is not the 'only hm' as you stated it. And I for one (and many others) have been watching from the outside and agree with Sandy and Adele remarks about Jonny!

I can certainly see why people want Jonny to win.

Alex, if he could have remained fun and stopped himself befriending every unpopular housemate, could've walked away with the prize easily. But he couldn't. He is now known as a whingey moaner. The biggest reason he was favourite to be evicted very early in the campaign.

Kate would've had a great chance if she hadn't spent so much wasted time with Spencer. He was fairly boring, she hung off of him and became boring because of it. She has certainly come into her own since Spence left.

Jade, nothing needs being said why she can't win. Too much baggage.

That leaves you with Jonny. Apart from reading most threads here, he comes across as a reasonable human being. Likes to have fun and not ashamed of what he is. He was lucky he got his depressed moments out of the way early on so noone really remembers them.

I think Jonny deserves it. It seems I am one of a very few on these boards.

What you have done in reality is start up another Jonny hate thread. People have given you genuine reasons why they are voting for Jonny and people like you and the others shoot them down. No wonder Jonny fans don't bother to contribute to threads like yours. People like you work on double standards just like sly Adele who damaged herself and Alex more than her aim of damaging Jonny. Genuine Jonny and Alex fans are not as probably daft as me because they refuse to rise to this bitching. Both Alex and Jonny along with Kate are very nice genuine people and their true fans respect eachother and do not mind who wins as in the end they are playing a game without cheating. These threads are an insult not only to the person they are directed at, but their opponents as well as they are not vicious like you lot.

TSR - I agree with a lot of what you say...

...but just to clarify that a lot of people in the North East (of which I am one) think Jonny is a n*b - and that's because he's misrepresenting the region and portraying the people who live here as shallow jokers.

So just to explain to the rest of the country - We're not all like Jonny - some of us have some depth!

Rather unfair eden but you're entitled to your opinion.
For the record though, you are wrong.
I started this thread with the best intentions Due to the lack of intelligent support I took it a bit further and tried to examine why this could be.

I haven't shot anybody down in fact and I have really appreciated the explanations by at first Bob and the recent great posts from other Jonny fans.

I haven't bitched to anyone and certainly have not been vicious!
Don't you think it is your post which typifies the personal attacks
on posters that have been so common and the very type I tried to steer away from with this thread.

By the way, Jonny fans *are* starting to contribute.
Thanks guys.