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Is kate a bully?
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watcher
16-07-2002
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“Originally posted by Chunky-Kitkat


I can honestly say that last night's E4 viewing caused me to change my opinions of Kate, Jonny and Alex drastically (I already didn't like Tim, but was a prior fan of all three of the others).

What a sorry load of bullies they were with Jade last night. First of all, they all hid in the garden while Jade was in the loo, and when Jade came back from the Diary room immediately after that to find them all sitting in their chairs in the garden, they tried to make her think she was going mad and that they'd been sitting talking all the time. Fair enough it would have been funny joke if they' d admitted where they'd been at some stage, but they were doing it maliciously with no-one letting her in on their secret at any point.

Then she went off to bed in a semi-strop, and they went and brought her out purely so that Alex could try and scare her by leaping up in a shopping trolley, and so they could all continue poking fun at her and laughing with each other totally at her expense. (I myself only laughed when Jade didn't even notice Alex leaping us as she walked by ... Alex looked lso much like a prize twit!).

Then they cajoled her into running round the broom for no apparent reason, insisting she went faster and faster, to the point of Jonny practically forcing her. Needless to say she was the only one who played this just then, purely for their entertainment.

Then she went inside again and (yawn) they all hid in the same place in the garden again. All credit to Jade - she came back and simply sat in the garden, slowly finished her drink, went back inside to look around for a snack, then spotted them rushing back by seeing a reflection in the mirrors. She went out and when asked why she hadn't gone looking for them, she simply replied 'it's boring innit, you've done that once already'.

All harmless larking about? I would normally say so, but to my eye there was a real cruel streak in how the 4 of them were treating Jade during all of that yesterday, in a way which can't even be likened to the various bitching about Sophie which went on. This last night looked like classic school-gang bullying of the weaker element.

I now don't want any of those 4 to win, I say 'Go Jade!'
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This game was instigated by the "caring, I have a laff me" Jonny, followed by Kate, semi-reluctantly by Alex, very reluctantly by Tim. Very obvious on the C4 footage tonight. (and I can't stand Tim!!)
nelly-j
16-07-2002
i just can't find anything funny about these nasty games and tricks the hms are playing on jade at the moment. i remember being at school and a group of girls doing this sort f thing to a friend of mine every day...this was called bullying - playing with someones head, making them think they are liked when really they are always the butt of the joke.
vile vile vile....wish they would stop , very unfair on jade..she just wants to be liked.!!!
***Angel***
16-07-2002
yes she's a bully.
cerys
16-07-2002
When they were chatting after the disturbing spectacle of Jade-in-the-buff, Kate laughed and said, 'Yes, it was hilarious.' You should be ashamed, Ms Lawler.
eden2uk
17-07-2002
Quote... Alex stuck with Jonny and band is enough for anyone to feel miserable about. I don't like Tim, but glad at least he has someone to fall back on in there. I think he will walk on Friday, and then he will be totally honest in the media about who is left - he doesn't like them at all so why bother pretending for the sake of maintaining some friendship after BB finishes that wil never exist?

Alex does not know the true colours of his so called friends, as many incidences were done behind his back.

SANDY: Peed in kitchen bin far worse than the shower.

Adelle: Much of her persecution of others and the minipulation of Jade done behind his back and he was also blind to her faults. Alex also did not realise how she influenced him (votes etc)

Tim not being honest with him for what he has said in diary room about others. Also offloading on Alex causing his depression I suspect.

If Alex does walk out which he will not as PJ has said that he was always threatening to do so on BBLB 2 nite then he will feel such a fool once he finds out who his real enemies were.
His so called friends not Jonny Kate and co. If he does still back these so called friends once he has learned of their dirty dealings I will not feel the same about him as my view of them is that they were shallow ppl who used Alex because he wasn't afraid to speak out. Alex Jonny and Kate are quite honest and genuine ppl who entered to play a game without assassinating peoples characters. If you have ever taken any notice to what Alex Kate and Jonny have said behind ppls backs it has always been justified after an argument. None have accused others of being false, 2 faced, ugly, manipulative or any other defimation of character. Before Alex bashers accuse him of it they have to look at the facts and see that it was his so called friends that expressed these views in his presence thus poisoning his mind. It is due to these so called friends that Alex finds himself in this predicament today.
curtaintwitcher
17-07-2002
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“Originally posted by *cj
yeah i agree.she really bullied jade into stripping last week and i think because jade is young and naive, kate should have stopped her instead of encouraging her. ”

Jade was not bullied into stripping. She stripped because she was drunk. Kate should have stopped it, as should all the other housemates but they were all drunk. Dont blame Kate for Jade's antics. Jade is responsible for her own actions.
Boutros B Ghali
17-07-2002
It seems to me that with a very few exceptions (PJ to Jade in his last week) none of the housemates are prepared to honestly deal with their hostility towards each other. Instead of being up front and clearing the air there are therefore two main outlets for the pent-up feelings:

1) Bitching - HM A annoys you so you tell HMs B and C all about it. You get the feelings out and avoid confrontation.

2) Bullying - HM A annoys you so you wait 2 or 3 weeks until the balance of power has shifted and then join forces with one or more accomplices and pay them back. What comes around goes around ... Jade may be being nice (a matter of opinion) now but it's indisputable that she was thoroughly nasty before!!!

The main question that's exercising me is "why are they (ALL) so wishy-washy" when it comes to dealing with the differences between them? Surely the point should be that the things that divide people are the spaces that let them grow and learn?

So ... do they avoid confrontation because they're genuinely don't have the mental/personal skills to do it or are they scared of appearing 'confrontational' to the voting public? If the latter then they didn't learn much from BB1 where Craig confronted Nick and went on to win ...

Boutros Boutros Ghali
Dee Girl
17-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by Chunky-Kitkat


I can honestly say that last night's E4 viewing caused me to change my opinions of Kate, Jonny and Alex drastically (I already didn't like Tim, but was a prior fan of all three of the others).

What a sorry load of bullies they were with Jade last night. First of all, they all hid in the garden while Jade was in the loo, and when Jade came back from the Diary room immediately after that to find them all sitting in their chairs in the garden, they tried to make her think she was going mad and that they'd been sitting talking all the time. Fair enough it would have been funny joke if they' d admitted where they'd been at some stage, but they were doing it maliciously with no-one letting her in on their secret at any point.

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They were having a laugh - Jade enjoyed it as much as they did she likes being their little baby!

& kate is not a bully!
Boutros B Ghali
17-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by nelly-j
i just can't find anything funny about these nasty games and tricks the hms are playing on jade at the moment. i remember being at school and a group of girls doing this sort f thing to a friend of mine every day...this was called bullying - playing with someones head, making them think they are liked when really they are always the butt of the joke.
vile vile vile....wish they would stop , very unfair on jade..she just wants to be liked.!!!
”

And this would be the same Jade who was sooooooo nice to Sophie right ??? She may "just want to be like" now but the memories of her behaviour BP (Before Psychologist) will be imprinted on the other HMs and it'll take more than a couple of weeks of being 'nice' to make here whiter than white ...

I don't like bullying either, but you reap what you sow ... live by the sword - die by the sword.

BBG
MichelleS
17-07-2002
Before you all bombard me with 'idont know what kind of life etc you lead' posts..................................
eh, the object of a strip poker type game thing????..............oh yes to take your clothes off. Now are those who claim its a form of bullying jade, are you suggesting she didnt understand the basis of the game??
I played strip poker, admittedly when under the influence of alcohol but did indeed stop when the clothes that were left would leave me naked if remove so i stopped playing, yes i got stick and was called party pooper etc but i stopped cause i wanted to and hate to be naked, however some of my freinds didnt yet i wouldnt have said they were bullied...................free will and all that!!!!!
Kate is not a bully at all, and have we forgotten jades unprovoked quite nasty bullying of sophie (unless you call downright jealousy a motive)
shevers
17-07-2002
Here, Here, Jade was quite happy to bully Sophie and make her life hell whilst in the house.

Why should Kate have stopped her taking her clothes off? correct me if i am wrong but their were 3 other people also playing the game.

Could someone plese tell me exactly what form of bullying this is?

Have we all forgotten the previous weeks where Jade was the most back stabbing person in the house, and with the exception of PJ called every single housemate to an other one.

Remember the lines she used Sophie is a beggar friend and i dont like it. Is this not what she is to Johnny and Kate?
alexi
17-07-2002
I might be losing the thread but did anyone just here Kate say to Jonny that she nominated Alex because he refused to comment on the Tim telephone business????
rusty veg
17-07-2002
Do you have any idea how sad some of you are? You are supporting people you don't know one bit, most of you witha passion. They are all playing to the camera cause that's why they are in there. All the HMs that are left inside have had modelling experience, yes even Jade! So don't you be kidding yourselves that Johnny isn't playing to the cameras or that he is the only one doing that. I want him to win tho for the sole reasonthat I have money on him but I don't care one bit if he is booed or cheered when he comes out cause once U make your decisions U have to live with them, sunita and sandy regretted it and cowardly went thru the back door(or the roof!) They prefer to stay ina nd get some more TV coverage and maybe the 70K so we can have them all next year doing our heads in thinking they deserve to be famous, e.g. Narinder<spit>
rusty veg
17-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by alexi
I might be losing the thread but did anyone just here Kate say to Jonny that she nominated Alex because he refused to comment on the Tim telephone business????
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[COLOR=blue]actually alex voted for johnny partly cause he sort of imposed his opinion on Tim about the phonecall. Since timm is such a little boy and cannot say no johnny manipulated him, or so alex thinks apparently. How people like him survive in todays world is beyond me, he seems to be out of a 50's movie LOL[/COLOR]
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