Despite what the Judges say and in any case, nobody takes any notice anyway. If the voting public took any notice James should have gone not Patsy.
The judges are there purely for entertainment value even though they are experts at what they do and give sound advice.
Zoe should be next to go, she is the most technically imperfect despite all the flash . All that gap between them No way. Our old dance teacher would have stopped them dead in their tracks and taken them back to basics to get the correct hold and posture which should be maintained through out the dance. Bronze medal stuff.
Darren in my view is the best and has remained constant throughout and getting technically better. He is the only one that is dancing for the shear joy of it. No failing career to get back on track , no one to impress or beat,Just pure dancing pleasure. Is that what we all want to see. I think Lilia and Darren are the best thing that has hit our TV screens for years. They should go on tour promoting Ballroom dancing.
Private note for Bill ( watch this space )
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I think you are absolutely right. Although Zoe and Ians routines have 'impact' they are always a little jarring -im remembering the Rumba in particular. She isnt as flowing as she should be -none of the celebrity ladies have been great this year - a change from last year when Jill and Denise were of an amazingly high standard.
Lilia and Darren(s) are great - Darren B and Darren G!

no WAY should zoe go
it should be james
zoe is far better than james

Wholeheartedly agree!!! The judges keep harping on about how good Zoe looks and Anton made an interesting comment some weeks ago. He highlighted the difference between LOOKING the best and BEING the best dancer. The judges are swayed by Ian and Zoe's height and slim build, but Zoe is quite some way below the standard of both Jill and Denise of last year's series and I would like to see Zoe voted off next Saturday, with James being voted off the following week, leaving Colin and Darren head-to-head, WITH DARREN TO WIN. He is an absolute pleasure to watch because he TRULY IS DANCING FOR SHEER PLEASURE and for that, plus his continued improvement, he deserves the crown! So don't stop voting for Darren, all you Darren and Lilia lovers out there.

You people MUST be joking? No, Zoe can't dance to save her life...that MUST be the reason ALL the judges think she is so outstanding.

But, wait, then, I am sure you ALL know more about ballroom dancing than they do - not to mention the fact that your viewpoint in front of the tv set is surely much better than the actual live one they have sitting three feet away from the dance floor.

*shaking my head*

I completely agree both enteratinment wise and the amount of effort she seems to be putting in.


I think this week is the last elimination, so whoever goes this week will not make it to the final. And i think it should be James. Why he is still there, only god knows.

I don't believe that Zoe should go at all. What I do believe is that Darren and Lilia should win. I believe this because he has been the most consistent and is (ignore the pun) Dazzling.

James should have gone a long time ago.

I go away for a short while to have my supper, I come back and you're bashing the N Yorks sex god again. Wot is it with some people; just be nice.

i want to know what it is with people joining this forum just to make nasty remarks about the dancers?

i really wish at times claudia had never mentioned this place

If you compare the achievements of all the celebrities (both female and male), then Zoe is definitely the one who achieved the least.

One thing people keep ignoring is the very different role the male and female celebrities are playing in the dance floor. Why is it so difficult for people to understand that there's different role for man and woman in the dance floor. In the dance floor, man is to lead and woman to follow. It's like watching Ready Steady Cook, on each side there's a chef and then an assistant. How much the assistant can contribute is really depends on the delegation (cherography in this case), the best she can be a partner, but she can never take over the role of the chef.

Last year Jill and Denise were capable to make significant contribution, Zoe is no where close to them, she's so well protected by Ian, which in a way, Ian is the chef and she's only the assistant.

On the other sides, the three men, Colin, Darren & James, they were made the head chef and have to lead in the dance floor. Their female professional partners can only assist them but they can't never cover their mistakes or anything. In other words, the man really have to cook while the female can only help. OK, they might not be able to cook an excellent dish, but it's all their own work. On the other sides the female celebrities might help to finish a good dish, but they still haven't managed to cook, they are only assisting.

It's unfair to judge them based on the dishes they made. It's only fair to judge on their contribution and achievement. Afterall they all start from nothing. Unfortunately the judges seems to forget about all these completely, and that's why they've lost their credibility.

james. is that you?

Lololololol!

Finally someone who talks sense.

When I was writing I did think that people might think I'm James or his pals. But no, he's not the only one who's good at cooking. Besides, we are not the same gender

Lol. I just had to laugh because it does sound like something James would say. But i do appreciate that many others share the same opinion. Hope you didn't get too offended

I totally disagree with the argument Zoe doesn't seem to give as much effort as others do. She always seems to give her all - something which even the judges have commented on. Yes, she looked lacklustre in training but she was ill.

I also don't agree in the slightest that she's achieved the least. I think both she and Colin are on a similar pegging in this regard, although there's no doubting that Darren has come far too. Whilst she may not have to lead (which isn't her fault, women are led) she has had to learn and perform some very difficult steps.

In my eyes, she certainly should have a place in that final.

I thought that was very well said, liked the Ready Steady Cook analagy alot, and as I read it I suddenly heard the words spoken in an Eastern European accent.......exactly like Izabella's! [Dennis's Partner].

One of my pupils mentioned she'd been trying to find the forums.. I couldn't bring myself to tell her where they were. She's probably going to find them now and read my post and be mad that I didn't tell her where they were The biggest clue I gave was that we weren't on the BBC site. I'm sure she'll lose interest in a day or so.

so you kind of know where i'm coming from then peach?

zoe can dances but she needs to have an amazing roiute and her cha wasnt

James should have gone based on the dances but Patsy did it again for me with her stupid stick her tongue out routine when the scores came in. I think a lot of viewers just decided to get her out. The final should definitely be Zoe, Colin and Darren. The Head to Head Colin and Darren and the winner Colin.

Tell me about it

Totally! Bruno even said something like "oh you were a little off in the timing but because you're so wonderful we can forgive that"
If anyone elses timing is off they rip them to shreds but because its Zoe and Ian its ok? How exactly is that fair??!
I personally though both Zoe's dances were very lackluster this week, her tango last week was undoubtably excellent but this week they in no way deserved the high marks they got, nor the praise they received.

How about you read the initial post before posting something daft like that!!!!!

Noone said she couldn't dance, people have just been saying she is nowhere near as good as the judges would have it. The initial poster actually commented on things that Len himself, (you know one of the judges, one of thos sat three feet away from the dancers) has said ws a problem i.e: the gap, and actually if Zoe didn;t have a career to resurrect, with an agent biting at the heels of the BBC, and the BBC giving the judges a nudge in the right(??) direction then I seriously doubt Zoe would have got 10;s in all those. Now I am no expert but I can see overmarking when it happens!

Nat
xxx

I agree Zoe should go. It really annoys me how she gets really high scores with the judges even when she's mediocre, whereas other people get good comments and the scores don't reflect whats been said like when craig said
on saturday that it was a personal best for Patsy and Anton and only gave them a 6.
As a viewer i feel turned against Zoe because of this and her arrogance like when she says vote for x they really need your votesets. Is she so arrogant that she doesn't feel she needs the public vote.