Poor ol' Zoe . . . it's becoming a bit of a feeding frenzy love, just keep your head down and dance like your life depends on it. You can do it!
Zoe should go
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Originally Posted by paperchain77:
“I don't believe that Zoe should go at all. What I do believe is that Darren and Lilia should win. I believe this because he has been the most consistent and is (ignore the pun) Dazzling.
James should have gone a long time ago.”
“I don't believe that Zoe should go at all. What I do believe is that Darren and Lilia should win. I believe this because he has been the most consistent and is (ignore the pun) Dazzling.
James should have gone a long time ago.”
Zoe has been critised for getting high marks. ALl the ian lovers out there!! i think he knows what he is doing, in terms of the speace and hold!!
They have been the most consistant!! and i would be gutted if the most natural dancers, and loviest to watch! went out before the final!!
T care
Jackie xxx
Originally Posted by luckyforest:
“If you compare the achievements of all the celebrities (both female and male), then Zoe is definitely the one who achieved the least.
One thing people keep ignoring is the very different role the male and female celebrities are playing in the dance floor. Why is it so difficult for people to understand that there's different role for man and woman in the dance floor. In the dance floor, man is to lead and woman to follow. It's like watching Ready Steady Cook, on each side there's a chef and then an assistant. How much the assistant can contribute is really depends on the delegation (cherography in this case), the best she can be a partner, but she can never take over the role of the chef.
Last year Jill and Denise were capable to make significant contribution, Zoe is no where close to them, she's so well protected by Ian, which in a way, Ian is the chef and she's only the assistant.
On the other sides, the three men, Colin, Darren & James, they were made the head chef and have to lead in the dance floor. Their female professional partners can only assist them but they can't never cover their mistakes or anything. In other words, the man really have to cook while the female can only help. OK, they might not be able to cook an excellent dish, but it's all their own work. On the other sides the female celebrities might help to finish a good dish, but they still haven't managed to cook, they are only assisting.
It's unfair to judge them based on the dishes they made. It's only fair to judge on their contribution and achievement. Afterall they all start from nothing. Unfortunately the judges seems to forget about all these completely, and that's why they've lost their credibility.”
“If you compare the achievements of all the celebrities (both female and male), then Zoe is definitely the one who achieved the least.
One thing people keep ignoring is the very different role the male and female celebrities are playing in the dance floor. Why is it so difficult for people to understand that there's different role for man and woman in the dance floor. In the dance floor, man is to lead and woman to follow. It's like watching Ready Steady Cook, on each side there's a chef and then an assistant. How much the assistant can contribute is really depends on the delegation (cherography in this case), the best she can be a partner, but she can never take over the role of the chef.
Last year Jill and Denise were capable to make significant contribution, Zoe is no where close to them, she's so well protected by Ian, which in a way, Ian is the chef and she's only the assistant.
On the other sides, the three men, Colin, Darren & James, they were made the head chef and have to lead in the dance floor. Their female professional partners can only assist them but they can't never cover their mistakes or anything. In other words, the man really have to cook while the female can only help. OK, they might not be able to cook an excellent dish, but it's all their own work. On the other sides the female celebrities might help to finish a good dish, but they still haven't managed to cook, they are only assisting.
It's unfair to judge them based on the dishes they made. It's only fair to judge on their contribution and achievement. Afterall they all start from nothing. Unfortunately the judges seems to forget about all these completely, and that's why they've lost their credibility.”
To be awful and mean and contradictory. If Zoe is THAT poor a performer, remember she is not an actor, like Patsy, Jill Halfpenny or even that muppet from series 1 and so can't hide her inadequacies with her craft, then Iain is performing miracles and if anything they have got this far on the back of his choreography, dancing and making up for her Zoe's total lack of ability, then they deserve to be in the final.........
they def deserve to be in the final!! if james got in, i think it would again make it pointless for zoe and ian to have been so consistantly good!! if you are shockingly bad one week and stay in and the other week, you are nothing special but get through ok! then next week rubbish again!!
Just because some does there "personnal best" doesn't mean that it deserves high marks.
Patsy still went wrong I think she was overmarked if anythin
I think zoe is great and there is no way she should go out i enjoy watching her dance and that is was it is all about.
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Patsy still went wrong I think she was overmarked if anythin
I think zoe is great and there is no way she should go out i enjoy watching her dance and that is was it is all about.
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Originally Posted by Gazbo:
“Poor ol' Zoe . . . it's becoming a bit of a feeding frenzy love, just keep your head down and dance like your life depends on it. You can do it!”
“Poor ol' Zoe . . . it's becoming a bit of a feeding frenzy love, just keep your head down and dance like your life depends on it. You can do it!”
Hear hear
I wish people would stop Zoe bashing
Originally Posted by diyqueen:
“Hear hear
I wish people would stop Zoe bashing”
“Hear hear
I wish people would stop Zoe bashing”
I third the sentiment!!!
Stop Zoe Bashing!!
Originally Posted by musicangel:
“I third the sentiment!!!
Stop Zoe Bashing!!”
“I third the sentiment!!!
Stop Zoe Bashing!!”
Interesting. How ironic you dont like Zoe bashing, yet its OK for you to start a thread and post on bashing James. A little bit hypocritical I think.
Originally Posted by Selena:
“ Interesting. How ironic you dont like Zoe bashing, yet its OK for you to start a thread and post on bashing James. A little bit hypocritical I think.”
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Interesting. How ironic you dont like Zoe bashing, yet its OK for you to start a thread and post on bashing James. A little bit hypocritical I think.”
I was going to post the same thing Selena. If she does it herself how can she shout at others for doing the same thing.
Well, as someone who dislikes all this Zoe bashing and has never said a bad word about any of the other contestants, I don't think I'd be hypocritical in wishing this sort of thing would stop. Not just towards Zoe, although she has been the primary target for a while now, but also James. I'm sure we could probably put Erin in this category, too.
Can we not support our favourites without resorting to belittling the attempts of other contestants? They've all done fabulously.
Can we not support our favourites without resorting to belittling the attempts of other contestants? They've all done fabulously.
Originally Posted by Selena:
“ Interesting. How ironic you dont like Zoe bashing, yet its OK for you to start a thread and post on bashing James. A little bit hypocritical I think.”
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Interesting. How ironic you dont like Zoe bashing, yet its OK for you to start a thread and post on bashing James. A little bit hypocritical I think.”
I didnt bash james, i said he's a lovely guy!! but its just fact! that he isnt one of the top three dancers, and hasnt been all series!! i thought the aim was to get the best into the final!??
And i actually vote for the best of the night, on sat it was pasty and colin for their american smooth!
Originally Posted by g.wass@ntlworld:
“Despite what the Judges say and in any case, nobody takes any notice anyway. If the voting public took any notice James should have gone not Patsy.
The judges are there purely for entertainment value even though they are experts at what they do and give sound advice.
Zoe should be next to go, she is the most technically imperfect despite all the flash . All that gap between them No way. Our old dance teacher would have stopped them dead in their tracks and taken them back to basics to get the correct hold and posture which should be maintained through out the dance. Bronze medal stuff.
Darren in my view is the best and has remained constant throughout and getting technically better. He is the only one that is dancing for the shear joy of it. No failing career to get back on track , no one to impress or beat,Just pure dancing pleasure. Is that what we all want to see. I think Lilia and Darren are the best thing that has hit our TV screens for years. They should go on tour promoting Ballroom dancing.
Private note for Bill ( watch this space )”
“Despite what the Judges say and in any case, nobody takes any notice anyway. If the voting public took any notice James should have gone not Patsy.
The judges are there purely for entertainment value even though they are experts at what they do and give sound advice.
Zoe should be next to go, she is the most technically imperfect despite all the flash . All that gap between them No way. Our old dance teacher would have stopped them dead in their tracks and taken them back to basics to get the correct hold and posture which should be maintained through out the dance. Bronze medal stuff.
Darren in my view is the best and has remained constant throughout and getting technically better. He is the only one that is dancing for the shear joy of it. No failing career to get back on track , no one to impress or beat,Just pure dancing pleasure. Is that what we all want to see. I think Lilia and Darren are the best thing that has hit our TV screens for years. They should go on tour promoting Ballroom dancing.
Private note for Bill ( watch this space )”
Why are we saying who should go when we have yet to see them dance? Care is required as all the couples are trying their best and being a dancer myself I know how difficult it is to learn a new dance in 1 week let alone two dances. If you look at the dances from last Saturday the best was Erin and Colin all the others had faults and all the couples said this. If we have a job on this site to all the couples after their hard work it is too praise them not put them down. They all need our best wishes for the next show. Remember what happend with Fiona, one can only take so many negative responses and then one believes it.
Originally Posted by Kiera:
“Well, as someone who dislikes all this Zoe bashing and has never said a bad word about any of the other contestants, I don't think I'd be hypocritical in wishing this sort of thing would stop. Not just towards Zoe, although she has been the primary target for a while now, but also James. I'm sure we could probably put Erin in this category, too.
Can we not support our favourites without resorting to belittling the attempts of other contestants? They've all done fabulously.”
“Well, as someone who dislikes all this Zoe bashing and has never said a bad word about any of the other contestants, I don't think I'd be hypocritical in wishing this sort of thing would stop. Not just towards Zoe, although she has been the primary target for a while now, but also James. I'm sure we could probably put Erin in this category, too.
Can we not support our favourites without resorting to belittling the attempts of other contestants? They've all done fabulously.”
Can I just agree completely with this, although I must confess to being rude about Fiona Phillips - but in my defence I've always been rude about Fiona Phillips long before SCD.
Its not Zoe bashing, it is merely a remark about the dancing technique. Everyone knows a ballroom hold is the First thing taught by any competent dance teacher and is usually the first thing picked by any judge at any competition. To say Zoe bashing is wrong , it is the way they dance that is being bashed if that is a phrase you wish to use. I am sure any one of us that is a Ballroom dancer would wish to have our faults pointed out so that we can correct them, If after MANY hours of expert tuition you still can not get the hold right then what?
As far as the judges are concerned they keep mentioning the Gap in their dancing and it never improves.
As far as the judges are concerned they keep mentioning the Gap in their dancing and it never improves.
As I have said on other threads I feel that Zoe is getting the backlash from some severe overmarking by the judges on occasions and people are reacting to that rather than Zoe herself.
Also she doesn't appear to have gone through the learning curve that others have, she started at a (perceived) higher standard than others and has improved on that but not to the extent of maybe Darren or even James - Colin also appeared to start at a high standard but mainly in Latin and has shown a great improvement in Ballroom.
The GBP love an underdog and that is one reason why other dancers are favoured, I have said before that Zoe is not my favourite and I can't quite put my finger on why - one reason for me is that she has made similar mistakes every week - ie the gap - missing bits of choreography (etc but doesn't appear to be working on improving these - but we only see what SCD decides to show and as we saw of the footage of Patsy and Anton it can be edited to portray what ever they want to show that week.
However, I don't think she deserves to go this week - performance wise she and Ian and been consistently good and they deserve to be in the final week
Also she doesn't appear to have gone through the learning curve that others have, she started at a (perceived) higher standard than others and has improved on that but not to the extent of maybe Darren or even James - Colin also appeared to start at a high standard but mainly in Latin and has shown a great improvement in Ballroom.
The GBP love an underdog and that is one reason why other dancers are favoured, I have said before that Zoe is not my favourite and I can't quite put my finger on why - one reason for me is that she has made similar mistakes every week - ie the gap - missing bits of choreography (etc but doesn't appear to be working on improving these - but we only see what SCD decides to show and as we saw of the footage of Patsy and Anton it can be edited to portray what ever they want to show that week.
However, I don't think she deserves to go this week - performance wise she and Ian and been consistently good and they deserve to be in the final week
how many people who watch the show do you actually think know much about ballroom dancing, myself included. personally, being oblivious to the problem of a gap or compitent enough to recognise the odd footwork error, i choose to vote for their personalities and the dances that impress and excite me most.
IMO, the dancers that have excited me least have been Colin and Erin (american smooth excluded) there is something which I find uninspiring about watching them together, I'm sure there are people who feel exactly the same about each couple involved, none of us are wrong as we are all entitled to our opinion.
IMO, the dancers that have excited me least have been Colin and Erin (american smooth excluded) there is something which I find uninspiring about watching them together, I'm sure there are people who feel exactly the same about each couple involved, none of us are wrong as we are all entitled to our opinion.
Put your finger straight on it. People who do not know Ballroom dancing are looking at personalities and what they see as a pleasing dance. But and a big but, this is a Dance competition not a test of personality or theatrical styles.
If you are not a Ballroom dancer get yourself down to the local dance school and start. You are missing the most enjoyable pastime ever. Listen to what the celebrities are saying. They rave about the pure enjoyment of it. Trust me , its fun and exercise combined.
If you are not a Ballroom dancer get yourself down to the local dance school and start. You are missing the most enjoyable pastime ever. Listen to what the celebrities are saying. They rave about the pure enjoyment of it. Trust me , its fun and exercise combined.
Originally Posted by icklekermy:
“Totally! Bruno even said something like "oh you were a little off in the timing but because you're so wonderful we can forgive that"
If anyone elses timing is off they rip them to shreds but because its Zoe and Ian its ok? How exactly is that fair??!
I personally though both Zoe's dances were very lackluster this week, her tango last week was undoubtably excellent but this week they in no way deserved the high marks they got, nor the praise they received.”
“Totally! Bruno even said something like "oh you were a little off in the timing but because you're so wonderful we can forgive that"
If anyone elses timing is off they rip them to shreds but because its Zoe and Ian its ok? How exactly is that fair??!
I personally though both Zoe's dances were very lackluster this week, her tango last week was undoubtably excellent but this week they in no way deserved the high marks they got, nor the praise they received.”
Agreed Bruno needs glasses.But I think it was clear that the voting public do not totally agree with the judges adulation of Zoe and Ian as they were in the bottom two this week. I think that Ian will really be pushing her this week with a more difficult routine and possibly even close that gap.
Colin was tremendous this week but everyone seems totally focused on all the other couples. I agree with the judges that James was below par this week and should have gone.
Darren or Colin to win
Originally Posted by g.wass@ntlworld:
“Put your finger straight on it. People who do not know Ballroom dancing are looking at personalities and what they see as a pleasing dance. But and a big but, this is a Dance competition not a test of personality or theatrical styles.
If you are not a Ballroom dancer get yourself down to the local dance school and start. You are missing the most enjoyable pastime ever. Listen to what the celebrities are saying. They rave about the pure enjoyment of it. Trust me , its fun and exercise combined.”
“Put your finger straight on it. People who do not know Ballroom dancing are looking at personalities and what they see as a pleasing dance. But and a big but, this is a Dance competition not a test of personality or theatrical styles.
If you are not a Ballroom dancer get yourself down to the local dance school and start. You are missing the most enjoyable pastime ever. Listen to what the celebrities are saying. They rave about the pure enjoyment of it. Trust me , its fun and exercise combined.”
The problem with it being a dance competition is people such as myself have no other means of voting other than on what dance we enjoy the most. For it to be a purely dancing competition that would mean it being judged by only those who know the ins and outs of ballroom, this isn't going to happen and in my mind means it is primarily an entertainment programme rather than being the dance comp that so many people on here talk about.
Originally Posted by molly1984:
“ i choose to vote for their personalities and the dances that impress and excite me most.
IMO, the dancers that have excited me least have been Colin and Erin (american smooth excluded) there is something which I find uninspiring about watching them together, I'm sure there are people who feel exactly the same about each couple involved, none of us are wrong as we are all entitled to our opinion.”
“ i choose to vote for their personalities and the dances that impress and excite me most.
IMO, the dancers that have excited me least have been Colin and Erin (american smooth excluded) there is something which I find uninspiring about watching them together, I'm sure there are people who feel exactly the same about each couple involved, none of us are wrong as we are all entitled to our opinion.”
So true, Molly
I find people should be entitled to their own opinions and not be made to feel like complete fools when one let's personality play a major factor in one's ultimate decision/vote.
For me James & Camilla should be in the final (even more so if they put on a great performance on Saturday; which I'm fairly confident they will) alongside Darren Gough.
As for Zoe and Ian respectively Colin and Erin I couldn't care less either way. Simply because I haven't been able to warm to them as dance-pairs. Simple as that
That's my opinion and NO ONE can and/or will CHANGE MY MIND
Vote and let Vote People, and......chill will ya
It's an entertainment show for crying out loud
Originally Posted by molly1984:
“IMO, the dancers that have excited me least have been Colin and Erin (american smooth excluded) there is something which I find uninspiring about watching them together, I'm sure there are people who feel exactly the same about each couple involved, none of us are wrong as we are all entitled to our opinion.”
“IMO, the dancers that have excited me least have been Colin and Erin (american smooth excluded) there is something which I find uninspiring about watching them together, I'm sure there are people who feel exactly the same about each couple involved, none of us are wrong as we are all entitled to our opinion.”
How does that mean we can't be wrong?
Anyway, I think Colin is worse than non-exciting. His American smooth was nauseating.
(That's the sort of opinion that "can't" be wong; the ones that say X or Y is a good or bad dancer can be wrong, despite being opinions.)
Originally Posted by Kiera:
“Can we not support our favourites without resorting to belittling the attempts of other contestants? They've all done fabulously.”
“Can we not support our favourites without resorting to belittling the attempts of other contestants? They've all done fabulously.”
It will never happen. It's not enough for people that their favourites do well; they must also be better than others. Indeed, they often don't do well enough to be great on their own; it's only by comparison with others that they can seem good.
The logic is all wrong (someone better than "rubbish" can still be very poor), but that's how it goes. I've seen in in forum after forum, for a wide variety of shows.
Originally Posted by zorrofan:
“ Agreed Bruno needs glasses.”
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Agreed Bruno needs glasses.”
No, Bruno is right. It's the nit-picking, technicality worshipers who are wrong.
And hypocrites. All of the couples are having mistakes forgiven.
Originally Posted by omduk:
“As I have said on other threads I feel that Zoe is getting the backlash from some severe overmarking by the judges on occasions and people are reacting to that rather than Zoe herself.”
“As I have said on other threads I feel that Zoe is getting the backlash from some severe overmarking by the judges on occasions and people are reacting to that rather than Zoe herself.”
No, Zoe has not been overmarked.
They are all being overmarked by professional standards, but if the judges didn't overmark them (in that sense of "overmark"), they'd all be getting quite low scores.
So instead, the judges (quite reasonably) are marking them by the standards that can be expected for this show, thus allowing themselves to use the full range of marks.
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“Also she doesn't appear to have gone through the learning curve that others have, she started at a (perceived) higher standard than others and has improved on that but not to the extent of maybe Darren or even James - ”
“Also she doesn't appear to have gone through the learning curve that others have, she started at a (perceived) higher standard than others and has improved on that but not to the extent of maybe Darren or even James - ”
When you're better to start with, it's often harder to improve so much.
But I don't believe people are voting on the learning curves.
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“The GBP love an underdog and that is one reason why other dancers are favoured,”
“The GBP love an underdog and that is one reason why other dancers are favoured,”
The (reality-show-voting) GBP dislikes slender, attractive, young (or young-ish) women.
They will always be at a disadvantage. (See I'm a Celebrity, Big Brother, etc.)
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“I have said before that Zoe is not my favourite and I can't quite put my finger on why - one reason for me is that she has made similar mistakes every week - ie the gap - ”
“I have said before that Zoe is not my favourite and I can't quite put my finger on why - one reason for me is that she has made similar mistakes every week - ie the gap - ”
Ian quite rightly is not making a big deal of the "gap".
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