cable,vcr,dvdr set up

ronkey · 06-12-2005, 11:24

hi

can any one advise me,i have followed a guide to connect my dvdr and vcr to my tele and cable box so i can copy my vhs tapes to disc and also record from the tele/cable.

can some one advise me about tunning them so to make what i want to do possible

i am a techno no hope

rgds

Ronkey

fat controller · 06-12-2005, 15:42

I'm going on the assumption that your cable box has 2 SCART sockets on the back; your DVDR also has 2 SCART sockets on the back; hopefully the TV and VCR will have 2 SCARTS each also; and that any television programs you want to record will be recorded on DVDR?

You'll need 4 good quality SCART leads (you want the ones with individually screened cores or you'll get interference on your picture). Wire as follows:

FROM CABLE BOX - Plug SCART lead into socket marked TV, plug the other end of this SCART lead into socket marked AV1 on the back of your TV. Plug SCART lead into socket marked VCR and connect the other end to the AV1 (or TV) socket on the DVDR.

ON DVDR connect SCART lead to the other socket (marked AV2 or similar) and connect the other end of this SCART lead to the AV2 socket on the VCR.

ON VCR connect SCART lead to the other socket (AV1 or similar) and connect the other end to the AV2 socket on the back of your TV.

Tuning is not required as all these connections are direct, but you will need to make sure that you select the correct input on each unit depending on what you are doing. For example to record one of your tapes to DVD, you will need to make sure you select AV2 on your DVDR.

As for aerial cables, that will hinge on what your usage will be (do you ever use a normal aerial?) If so post back and I'll try and help.

Good luck. This job isn't as daunting as it looks written down. Try printing this out and put a pen line through each little stage as you go if it helps.

ronkey · 07-12-2005, 06:58

hi fat controller

thanks for your very instructive reply, i have a BNI dvdr, it has only a RGB scart out, the in connection is s-video

i have a RF connection to my cable box into my VCR.

will i have to set the dvdr to s-video format

rgds

ronkey

fat controller · 07-12-2005, 16:03

Glad to help.

I'd doubt that your VCR or your cable box is capable of outputting S-Video I'm afraid. You'll need to connect everything up as a standard set-up (one SCART from cable box TV socket to TV; another SCART cable from cable box to DVDR then make the RF connections in the normal way too (roof aerial into cable box; RF out of cable box to RF in on DVDR; RF out on DVDR to TV RF in.

Sadly, you'll need to remove the SCART plug from the DVDR and then plug a SCART cable between your VCR & DVDR when you want to copy your tapes. When copying, you'll need to have your TV tuned to the RF output of the DVDR (play a disc and then do a tuning search on channel 0) so that you can watch what you are copying.

The only other way to get round this would be to get SCART leads with phono plug ins & outs on the other end, but to be honest its messy and liable to confuse you.

ronkey · 07-12-2005, 19:45

Hi fat controller

i forgot to mention that i had purchased a Hama gold scart with s-video + phono connections with in and out switch on scart connection end, i kind of jumped the gun in my anxiety to get the equipment up and running with the good advice from some helpful soul like you will this make a difference

kind regards

ronkey

fat controller · 08-12-2005, 15:36

It will for simplicity sake. If you are using 'standard' SCART leads they have the ability to carry other information such as widescreen switching and signal switching for your TV. To be honest, I'd connect it using standard cables as previously described and simply plug your VCR in as and when you wish to copy a tape. I know when I got my DVDR, I was full of ideas to interconnect everything to copy back and forth etc (I'm sort of the same for having everything up and running all together, like NOW), but it was space that got the better of me. My VCR was hauled out and left in a cupboard til I wanted to use it - that was 18 months ago, and its still not seen the light of day!

The fact that the HAMA leads have a switch on the SCART plug would mean that they still wouldn'y do exactly what you want to do - you'd need one that was capable of taking signals into and out of your DVDR at the same time, and this would need to be connected to at least two other similar leads to achieve the full monty (not easy).

ronkey · 09-12-2005, 06:43

Hi fat controller

I would like to thank you for all your help, i will follow your
advice and set it up the way you have described.

once again thank you for taking the bother to help me, i
think they would be still in thier boxes without your good
advice.

rgds

ronkey

fat controller · 09-12-2005, 09:13

You are more than welcome. I left the trade about six years ago, do I enjoy this as a way pf keeping my hand in - plus you get to chat to other nice forum members too!

Best regards

ronkey · 09-12-2005, 11:15

in reflection i should have made sure i purchased a dvdr with two scart lead connections, taking finances into consideration i thought it was a good deal ?

in the new year i might try to purchase a dvdr/vcr combi machine.

rgds

ronkey

fat controller · 09-12-2005, 13:27

To be honest, I don't like combi machines at all. I appreciate that they do a job, but I always feel that your getting two components that aren't the best quality coggled together in the name of convenience. If your VCR is in working order, no need to change it, and if you want to upgrade to a newer/better spec. DVDR then that would be a sensible use of your cash. The Panasonic DMRES20D seems to be a VERY good buy (its even got its own built in Freeview tuner). See it HERE . Whats more with prices for it from around £220 its not too severe on the pocket. It has the right number of SCARTS and will be easy to use. I've got the predecessor to this and it gets fairly well used - not once has it missed or botched a recording, I love it.

ronkey · 11-12-2005, 16:57

once again thanks for your sound advice, i have looked at the dvdr you suggested it has a very good spec and it will be my intention to purchase this machine some time in the new year.

once again i am in your bebt

best rgds

ronkey

ronkey · 16-12-2005, 11:12

hi fat controller

since i last contacted you i have taken the bull by the horns and traded my BNI1000R dvdr for a panasonic DMRES10 with ram capability.

I want to follow your original advice connecting everything by scarts, the manual advises to connect the dvdr directly to the tele which by the way is also panasonic.

can you please advise me, also RF connections for viewing
tele channels.

best rgds

ronkey

woodysdad · 16-12-2005, 21:17

As an aside. I have ascart out on the VCR goind to three phono plugs which I plug into the Cam In sockets on the front of the DVDR. Works for me, as long as I remember to select Cam 1 on the menu when recording from VCR

Scorpio · 16-12-2005, 23:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by ronkey

hi fat controller

since i last contacted you i have taken the bull by the horns and traded my BNI1000R dvdr for a panasonic DMRES10 with ram capability.

I want to follow your original advice connecting everything by scarts, the manual advises to connect the dvdr directly to the tele which by the way is also panasonic.

can you please advise me, also RF connections for viewing
tele channels.

best rgds

ronkey

cable box tv scart ---> DVDR AV2 (set to RGB)
DVDR AV1 ---> TV AV1 (Rgb scart)

If you want to add in the VCR
VCR AV1 or 2 (in/out scart) ---> cable box VCR scart

RF in ---- Cable RF in
Cable RF out ---> DVDR RF in
DVD RF out ----> TV RF in

You can......
watch cable through the DVDR on TV AV1 in RGB
record cable using AV2 on DVDR in RGB
watch DVDs using AV1 on TV in RGB
record VCR to DVD through cable box using AV2 on DVDR in composite
use RF to watch terrestrial while recording cable or vice versa

Remember to set up the Panny AV1 out as RGB and AV2 in as RGB.

Have fun!

Rgds,
Scorp

ronkey · 21-12-2005, 11:05

hi scorpio

i have a pany tele,with AV2 scart connection, it has Q-link capability but no RGB connection.

following your setup instructions what tunnig would i need to do to tele,dvdr,vcr regarding RF reception.

rgds

ronkey

Scorpio · 21-12-2005, 15:07

See my note above,

cable box tv scart ---> DVDR AV2 (set to RGB)
DVDR AV1 ---> TV AV1 (Rgb scart)

If you want to add in the VCR
VCR AV1 or 2 (in/out scart) ---> cable box VCR scart

I dont mention the TVs AV2 scart - this is for composite or SVideo, cant do RGB - just setup as above looping through the DVDR into the TV AV1. This will give you RGB from the cable box and from the DVDR.

To add in your video set up as above and loop this through the cable box and DVDR to the TV.

My RF notes below

RF in ---- Cable RF in
Cable RF out ---> DVDR RF in
DVD RF out ----> VCR RF in
VCR RF out --->TV RF in

cover the connections, for tuning forget about Qlink and just do an auto tune on the VCR and again on the DVDR.

Rgds,
Scorp

Bracken · 13-01-2006, 19:49

Hi Fat Controller

I have set my equipment as per your suggestions. But I still cant copy videos to DVD. Although video showing on screen DVD records what ever is on sky and if I switch sky box off i just get a message from DVDR saying "No Signal"
Any suggestions?
thanks Bracken

(ps sound from video only comes through TV and not surround sound!)

Scorpio · 14-01-2006, 08:52

Bracken, try the very simple set up above with the VCR looping through Sky into the DVDR and then the TV.

With the TV set to AV1 you should be monitoring Sky (if the DVDR is in standby).

When you turn the DVDR on the TV will monitor this device - with the DVDR input set to AV2 (where sky is connected) you will still see sky as previously.

Now press play on the VCR and this will send an override signal into the sky box telling it to give way to the VCR signal. This VCR signal will now loop into the DVDR and into the TV - so you can watch and record VCR to DVD.

When you press stop on the VCR you will automatically resume watching the sky signal.

Try this and see how you go - we can also review an RF requirements you have later.

I can also tell you how to make a connection so that you can still watch sky even when you are recording your tapes to DVDR.

Rgds,
Scorp

Bracken · 15-01-2006, 16:39

Hi Scorpio

Sorry have tried your simple set up and do not get anything when I press play on VCR. Also don't get a sky picture on AV1 when DVDR is in Standby.
DVDR is showing picture on AV2 but when i try and use the video it doesn't over ride sky.

Begining to think it is easier just to keep VCR for watching videos.

I have a Sanyo TV - 2 scarts
Sanyo VCR - 2 Scarts
Grundig Sky Box - 2 Scarts
JVC DVDR/Surround sound - 2 scarts.

Bracken

Scorpio · 15-01-2006, 21:48

......but do you get a Sky picture on TV AV1 when the DVDR is on and the DVDR input is set to AV2?

I'm checking here that you have Sky/DVDR/TV all connected Ok through to AV1 on the TV.

If this is OK then it would seem the JVC doesnt have scart pass through on standby which is quite rare I think.

However, to get the VCR to work (and some dont always kick the Sky picture off - it's to do with sending a voltage on one of the scart pins) ensure that the scart socket you have chosen on the VCR (you say it has 2) is an input and output scart. On most VCRs both scarts are input/output but sometimes only one is set like this - AV2. AV1 may be read only which is why you are not getting an output from the VCR.

RGDS,
Scorp

Bracken · 17-01-2006, 18:52

Hi Scorpio

Don't know what i did different but all is working now- thanks (apart from the usual can't copy protected dvd's)

Another question - At the moment I have sky sent around the house via a box in the loft. Is it possible to send a dvd to other TV's as well.

thanks
Bracken

Scorpio · 17-01-2006, 19:09

Perhaps you ensured all the scarts were pushed firmly home, not sure there...........

RE the DVD around the house: I can think of 2 ways......use an AV sender plugged into AV2 of your TV - this could send any signal that is being sent to the TV out to any other TV over the airwaves. No need for cables.

OR........you could buy a cheap (£25) DVD player for the spare room, much nicer picture I woud say.

Rgds,
Scorp

06-12-2005, 11:24	#1
ronkey Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 17	cable,vcr,dvdr set up hi can any one advise me,i have followed a guide to connect my dvdr and vcr to my tele and cable box so i can copy my vhs tapes to disc and also record from the tele/cable. can some one advise me about tunning them so to make what i want to do possible i am a techno no hope rgds Ronkey

06-12-2005, 15:42	#2
fat controller Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Slightly round the bend Posts: 12,685	I'm going on the assumption that your cable box has 2 SCART sockets on the back; your DVDR also has 2 SCART sockets on the back; hopefully the TV and VCR will have 2 SCARTS each also; and that any television programs you want to record will be recorded on DVDR? You'll need 4 good quality SCART leads (you want the ones with individually screened cores or you'll get interference on your picture). Wire as follows: FROM CABLE BOX - Plug SCART lead into socket marked TV, plug the other end of this SCART lead into socket marked AV1 on the back of your TV. Plug SCART lead into socket marked VCR and connect the other end to the AV1 (or TV) socket on the DVDR. ON DVDR connect SCART lead to the other socket (marked AV2 or similar) and connect the other end of this SCART lead to the AV2 socket on the VCR. ON VCR connect SCART lead to the other socket (AV1 or similar) and connect the other end to the AV2 socket on the back of your TV. Tuning is not required as all these connections are direct, but you will need to make sure that you select the correct input on each unit depending on what you are doing. For example to record one of your tapes to DVD, you will need to make sure you select AV2 on your DVDR. As for aerial cables, that will hinge on what your usage will be (do you ever use a normal aerial?) If so post back and I'll try and help. Good luck. This job isn't as daunting as it looks written down. Try printing this out and put a pen line through each little stage as you go if it helps.

07-12-2005, 06:58	#3
ronkey Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 17	hi fat controller thanks for your very instructive reply, i have a BNI dvdr, it has only a RGB scart out, the in connection is s-video i have a RF connection to my cable box into my VCR. will i have to set the dvdr to s-video format rgds ronkey

07-12-2005, 16:03	#4
fat controller Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Slightly round the bend Posts: 12,685	Glad to help. I'd doubt that your VCR or your cable box is capable of outputting S-Video I'm afraid. You'll need to connect everything up as a standard set-up (one SCART from cable box TV socket to TV; another SCART cable from cable box to DVDR then make the RF connections in the normal way too (roof aerial into cable box; RF out of cable box to RF in on DVDR; RF out on DVDR to TV RF in. Sadly, you'll need to remove the SCART plug from the DVDR and then plug a SCART cable between your VCR & DVDR when you want to copy your tapes. When copying, you'll need to have your TV tuned to the RF output of the DVDR (play a disc and then do a tuning search on channel 0) so that you can watch what you are copying. The only other way to get round this would be to get SCART leads with phono plug ins & outs on the other end, but to be honest its messy and liable to confuse you.

07-12-2005, 19:45	#5
ronkey Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 17	Hi fat controller i forgot to mention that i had purchased a Hama gold scart with s-video + phono connections with in and out switch on scart connection end, i kind of jumped the gun in my anxiety to get the equipment up and running with the good advice from some helpful soul like you will this make a difference kind regards ronkey

08-12-2005, 15:36	#6
fat controller Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Slightly round the bend Posts: 12,685	It will for simplicity sake. If you are using 'standard' SCART leads they have the ability to carry other information such as widescreen switching and signal switching for your TV. To be honest, I'd connect it using standard cables as previously described and simply plug your VCR in as and when you wish to copy a tape. I know when I got my DVDR, I was full of ideas to interconnect everything to copy back and forth etc (I'm sort of the same for having everything up and running all together, like NOW), but it was space that got the better of me. My VCR was hauled out and left in a cupboard til I wanted to use it - that was 18 months ago, and its still not seen the light of day! The fact that the HAMA leads have a switch on the SCART plug would mean that they still wouldn'y do exactly what you want to do - you'd need one that was capable of taking signals into and out of your DVDR at the same time, and this would need to be connected to at least two other similar leads to achieve the full monty (not easy).

09-12-2005, 06:43	#7
ronkey Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 17	Hi fat controller I would like to thank you for all your help, i will follow your advice and set it up the way you have described. once again thank you for taking the bother to help me, i think they would be still in thier boxes without your good advice. rgds ronkey

09-12-2005, 09:13	#8
fat controller Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Slightly round the bend Posts: 12,685	You are more than welcome. I left the trade about six years ago, do I enjoy this as a way pf keeping my hand in - plus you get to chat to other nice forum members too! Best regards

09-12-2005, 11:15	#9
ronkey Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 17	in reflection i should have made sure i purchased a dvdr with two scart lead connections, taking finances into consideration i thought it was a good deal ? in the new year i might try to purchase a dvdr/vcr combi machine. rgds ronkey

09-12-2005, 13:27	#10
fat controller Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Slightly round the bend Posts: 12,685	To be honest, I don't like combi machines at all. I appreciate that they do a job, but I always feel that your getting two components that aren't the best quality coggled together in the name of convenience. If your VCR is in working order, no need to change it, and if you want to upgrade to a newer/better spec. DVDR then that would be a sensible use of your cash. The Panasonic DMRES20D seems to be a VERY good buy (its even got its own built in Freeview tuner). See it HERE . Whats more with prices for it from around £220 its not too severe on the pocket. It has the right number of SCARTS and will be easy to use. I've got the predecessor to this and it gets fairly well used - not once has it missed or botched a recording, I love it.

11-12-2005, 16:57	#11
ronkey Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 17	once again thanks for your sound advice, i have looked at the dvdr you suggested it has a very good spec and it will be my intention to purchase this machine some time in the new year. once again i am in your bebt best rgds ronkey

16-12-2005, 11:12	#12
ronkey Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 17	hi fat controller since i last contacted you i have taken the bull by the horns and traded my BNI1000R dvdr for a panasonic DMRES10 with ram capability. I want to follow your original advice connecting everything by scarts, the manual advises to connect the dvdr directly to the tele which by the way is also panasonic. can you please advise me, also RF connections for viewing tele channels. best rgds ronkey

16-12-2005, 21:17	#13
woodysdad Inactive Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: West Lothian Posts: 2,263	As an aside. I have ascart out on the VCR goind to three phono plugs which I plug into the Cam In sockets on the front of the DVDR. Works for me, as long as I remember to select Cam 1 on the menu when recording from VCR

16-12-2005, 23:15	#14
Scorpio Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Somerset Posts: 3,048	Quote: Originally Posted by ronkey hi fat controller since i last contacted you i have taken the bull by the horns and traded my BNI1000R dvdr for a panasonic DMRES10 with ram capability. I want to follow your original advice connecting everything by scarts, the manual advises to connect the dvdr directly to the tele which by the way is also panasonic. can you please advise me, also RF connections for viewing tele channels. best rgds ronkey cable box tv scart ---> DVDR AV2 (set to RGB) DVDR AV1 ---> TV AV1 (Rgb scart) If you want to add in the VCR VCR AV1 or 2 (in/out scart) ---> cable box VCR scart RF in ---- Cable RF in Cable RF out ---> DVDR RF in DVD RF out ----> TV RF in You can...... watch cable through the DVDR on TV AV1 in RGB record cable using AV2 on DVDR in RGB watch DVDs using AV1 on TV in RGB record VCR to DVD through cable box using AV2 on DVDR in composite use RF to watch terrestrial while recording cable or vice versa Remember to set up the Panny AV1 out as RGB and AV2 in as RGB. Have fun! Rgds, Scorp

21-12-2005, 11:05	#15
ronkey Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 17	hi scorpio i have a pany tele,with AV2 scart connection, it has Q-link capability but no RGB connection. following your setup instructions what tunnig would i need to do to tele,dvdr,vcr regarding RF reception. rgds ronkey

21-12-2005, 15:07	#16
Scorpio Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Somerset Posts: 3,048	See my note above, cable box tv scart ---> DVDR AV2 (set to RGB) DVDR AV1 ---> TV AV1 (Rgb scart) If you want to add in the VCR VCR AV1 or 2 (in/out scart) ---> cable box VCR scart I dont mention the TVs AV2 scart - this is for composite or SVideo, cant do RGB - just setup as above looping through the DVDR into the TV AV1. This will give you RGB from the cable box and from the DVDR. To add in your video set up as above and loop this through the cable box and DVDR to the TV. My RF notes below RF in ---- Cable RF in Cable RF out ---> DVDR RF in DVD RF out ----> VCR RF in VCR RF out --->TV RF in cover the connections, for tuning forget about Qlink and just do an auto tune on the VCR and again on the DVDR. Rgds, Scorp

13-01-2006, 19:49	#17
Bracken Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 9	Hi Fat Controller I have set my equipment as per your suggestions. But I still cant copy videos to DVD. Although video showing on screen DVD records what ever is on sky and if I switch sky box off i just get a message from DVDR saying "No Signal" Any suggestions? thanks Bracken (ps sound from video only comes through TV and not surround sound!)

14-01-2006, 08:52	#18
Scorpio Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Somerset Posts: 3,048	Bracken, try the very simple set up above with the VCR looping through Sky into the DVDR and then the TV. With the TV set to AV1 you should be monitoring Sky (if the DVDR is in standby). When you turn the DVDR on the TV will monitor this device - with the DVDR input set to AV2 (where sky is connected) you will still see sky as previously. Now press play on the VCR and this will send an override signal into the sky box telling it to give way to the VCR signal. This VCR signal will now loop into the DVDR and into the TV - so you can watch and record VCR to DVD. When you press stop on the VCR you will automatically resume watching the sky signal. Try this and see how you go - we can also review an RF requirements you have later. I can also tell you how to make a connection so that you can still watch sky even when you are recording your tapes to DVDR. Rgds, Scorp

15-01-2006, 16:39	#19
Bracken Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 9	Hi Scorpio Sorry have tried your simple set up and do not get anything when I press play on VCR. Also don't get a sky picture on AV1 when DVDR is in Standby. DVDR is showing picture on AV2 but when i try and use the video it doesn't over ride sky. Begining to think it is easier just to keep VCR for watching videos. I have a Sanyo TV - 2 scarts Sanyo VCR - 2 Scarts Grundig Sky Box - 2 Scarts JVC DVDR/Surround sound - 2 scarts. Bracken

15-01-2006, 21:48	#20
Scorpio Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Somerset Posts: 3,048	......but do you get a Sky picture on TV AV1 when the DVDR is on and the DVDR input is set to AV2? I'm checking here that you have Sky/DVDR/TV all connected Ok through to AV1 on the TV. If this is OK then it would seem the JVC doesnt have scart pass through on standby which is quite rare I think. However, to get the VCR to work (and some dont always kick the Sky picture off - it's to do with sending a voltage on one of the scart pins) ensure that the scart socket you have chosen on the VCR (you say it has 2) is an input and output scart. On most VCRs both scarts are input/output but sometimes only one is set like this - AV2. AV1 may be read only which is why you are not getting an output from the VCR. RGDS, Scorp

17-01-2006, 18:52	#21
Bracken Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 9	Hi Scorpio Don't know what i did different but all is working now- thanks (apart from the usual can't copy protected dvd's) Another question - At the moment I have sky sent around the house via a box in the loft. Is it possible to send a dvd to other TV's as well. thanks Bracken

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17-01-2006, 19:09	#22
Scorpio Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Somerset Posts: 3,048	Perhaps you ensured all the scarts were pushed firmly home, not sure there........... RE the DVD around the house: I can think of 2 ways......use an AV sender plugged into AV2 of your TV - this could send any signal that is being sent to the TV out to any other TV over the airwaves. No need for cables. OR........you could buy a cheap (£25) DVD player for the spare room, much nicer picture I woud say. Rgds, Scorp