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Kate being painted as 2 faced b1tch on RI:SE by Dr. Sandra Scott
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Elysium
17-07-2002
We also have to remember that Jonny may also have influenced the way Kate voted when he said, “Its gonna be those two’s against us two, and you Jade are gonna be in the middle.”

Jonny has been very subtle with the way that he approaches the whole nomination game .. he often asks, “Eeee, nominations, I dun no what to do, like..” then waits for the other(s) to respond before agreeing and adding his votes on-top. But this time he deliberately made it all about “them and us” .. which was never the case for Alex & Tim.
MrNice
17-07-2002
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“Originally posted by ubermind


So when Kate backstabs its clever but when Adele does it it's bitchy??

IMO Alex should win because he isn't playing some stupid game he's just being himself. The rest are acting like a bunch of Arses.
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And there was me thinking it was an entertainment program!

Alex is boring, has been since day 1. Even Tim is more interesting!

MrNice.
MrNice
17-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by Elysium
We also have to remember that Jonny may also have influenced the way Kate voted when he said, “Its gonna be those two’s against us two, and you Jade are gonna be in the middle.”

Jonny has been very subtle with the way that he approaches the whole nomination game .. he often asks, “Eeee, nominations, I dun no what to do, like..” then waits for the other(s) to respond before agreeing and adding his votes on-top. But this time he deliberately made it all about “them and us” .. which was never the case for Alex & Tim.
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Yes a true masterpiece, he is obviously better at playing the game then. The only difference between Jonny and Alex is that Jonny said these things to Jade to encourage her vote and Alex only said the same to Tim, whose vote was certain anyway.

I completely agree with you Elysium, Jonny is far more deserving to win as he has played a much better game.

MrNice.
Dr Mick
17-07-2002
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“Originally posted by SugarHiccup

Tracy, you big storyteller!...lol
I watched RISE this morning too - I think the views you just posted about Kate's are actually your views. It's the way YOU picture it. Are you that desperate?
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Another case of Alex fans seeing and hearing what they want. Remember the Message Task, when they said Jonny had talked through the messages when it was actually Kate, Tim and...........errrr, Alex.
0utlaw
17-07-2002
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“Originally posted by MrNice


And there was me thinking it was an entertainment program!

Alex is boring, has been since day 1. Even Tim is more interesting!

MrNice.
”


I think the point is do you want to vote for a character or a real person? I would go with the latter. As far as Alex being boring is concerned I completely disagree and I think even most Jonny\Kate fans would. C'mon Alex!
MichelleS
17-07-2002
whatever about johnny....kate is being a real person, she's bored she playacts, she mimics, big deal, obviously thats her.
Jade is a nasty girl who has no right to win bb at all, its amazing how short our memories are or ahve you all forgotten what she was like when adele was in the house..............and dont blame it on her age!!!!
MrNice
17-07-2002
I would much rather have a character to watch. And in this instance and interesting character, which is why I will be voting for Alex to be evicted. I actaully dont think he is being himsaelf any more than any of them are. They all play up to the cameras to some extent, but I have only seen boring Alex talk directly to the camera on numerous occasions.

MrNice.
ubermind
17-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by MrNice


Yes a true masterpiece, he is obviously better at playing the game then. The only difference between Jonny and Alex is that Jonny said these things to Jade to encourage her vote and Alex only said the same to Tim, whose vote was certain anyway.

I completely agree with you Elysium, Jonny is far more deserving to win as he has played a much better game.

MrNice.
”

I think Adele played the game the best, But then we all know how the public reacts to people "playing the game". I wonder how Jonny will try to discredit Kate when it comes to the final week?
eden2uk
17-07-2002
Did she not see Kates tears when Alex told her all the stories former and present housemates accused her of. That is the reason why she has cold shouldered Alex a little over the last few days coupled with the loss of PJ who was the glue that bonded the group together and Alex is also guilty of spurning Kate. I would love to see a budding relationship between Alex and Kate, but her loyalty to Jonny gets in the way. (Not that I blame her as she owes that to him and vise versa). Kate does not want Alex to go and does express her concern to Jonny about him frequently. Not exactly an action of the girl Sandra Scott described. The only one to use Alex was Adelle for her own means and the so called love match actually saved face for her on eviction night. Alex has stated he just wants to be friends with her and even expressed concern that he didn't want her there if he was evicted, but she will be as all contestants are there the final night. Tim should of done the decent thing and put himself up for nomination the week before then we would of had Jonny Kate Alex & PJ in final 4. He is so devious he was hoping for an all male final, but even Alex didn't want Kate to go he told Tim so and Kate is not aware of this. (Another reason why she felt uneasy towards Alex). Sandra Scott is trying to justify some of Tims statements in the DR so that he won't be booed. What are you going to tell us next Dr Scott that the British Public are a bunch of idiots and that Tim is a worthwhile human being. Mind you she was lost for words when told of that other game show with another face to Tim!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MelBB1
17-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by ubermind


I think Adele played the game the best, But then we all know how the public reacts to people "playing the game". I wonder how Jonny will try to discredit Kate when it comes to the final week?
”

WRONG! Jade has played the game best and that is why she is STILL in the house despite all the negativity towards her from inside and outside the house. She has more lives than a cat
Miles_T
17-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by ubermind


I think Adele played the game the best, But then we all know how the public reacts to people "playing the game". I wonder how Jonny will try to discredit Kate when it comes to the final week?
”

Adele played the worst game - Did absolutely nothing entertaining and was seen by everyone to be a nasty piece of work and voted out

Look at the previous winners - Brian - entertainment and laughs

Craig - decent bloke, didn't really 'rock the boat'

I think Jonny is probably 'playing the game' along those lines. it doesn't take Heinztein to work it out!!

Personally I would rather Kate wins as I feel she is the most worthy .
Sleepwatcher
17-07-2002
As the subject implies...A humourless, self obessed manic...
gazza71
17-07-2002
I didn't see RI:SE, but if she did say that, then that's terrible. I despise the arrogance with which these people say things.

"The resident BB Psychologist Dr Sandra Scott was on RI:SE this morning, painting a less than desirable picture of Kate in that she DOES "attach herself" to who she *perceives* to be the most "popular housemate" at any given time (use and abuse..)."

She's always stuck with the same people really. So this is nonsense. She had no problem befriending Sophie, one of the least popular people in the house - there was no way of her knowing whether Sophie was popular outside or not.


"and then to abandon them when there is another shift in popularity. She argued that Kate "used Alex for her own end to gain increased security in the house"

She's never abandoned anybody - Alison got evicted, then Spencer did, Jonny she was always mates with.


"and it did not surprise her at all the way Kate & Jonny voted (reverting back to their original "alliance")."

It didn't surprise me either - she's always nominated Alex, and it was obvious she'd nominate Tim.

So we've got one psychologist saying she used Alex, and another saying that they have true feelings for one another... Personally I think they're all talking shit and actually Kate and Alex caught up on 6 weeks of not talking to each other, and every bit of flirting between the two of them usually was started by Alex. But yeah, Kate used him.
MrNice
17-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by ubermind


I think Adele played the game the best, But then we all know how the public reacts to people "playing the game". I wonder how Jonny will try to discredit Kate when it comes to the final week?
”

How could someone who got booted have played a good game? Its a bit like saying that the person who came in 6th in a race ran the best!

We all agree that it is a gameshow, so we must all agree that they have all gone there to play the game. And those that play the game the best will manage to stay there the longest.

To say that anyone going onto this gameshow (its only a game show, its only a game show....) isnt partaking in a game is a bit rediculous. It would be like someone going onto Who Wants To Be A Millionaire and then refusing to answer the questions, which as we all know wouldnt happen.

They are all playing a game, some better than others. And some (Kate/ Jonny/ even Tim!) are better and more entertaining than others (Alex)

MrNice.
RedHotPawn
17-07-2002
My personal opinion is that Kate is fine and I don't think she's done anything particularly bad. I would like to see Alex win, but I'm not gonna start reading things into Kate's behaviour just to justify my support of Alex. As has been mentioned numerous times, it is so easy to interpret pretty much every event in a way that supports your existing beliefs because it's easier than re-assessing your opinions. Sorry I know that sounds very pretentious!

And yes, I am re-assessing my opinion of Alex, and unless he changes after Tim's departure, I will be supporting Jade, just for the novelty value of seeing her win!

-RHP
eden2uk
17-07-2002
Hope Kate sues this awful woman for defimation of character she is supposed to be a proffessional with an unbiased view. Does she realise that she could make Kates life a misery confirming the observations that the poisonous gossipmongers started up. If Tim is booed it is his own fault not Kates she has never spread poison like some have. After all there is playing a game and cheating with this poison. Something the very wise public sees.
Dr Dave
17-07-2002
It would of course be very bitchy, sexist and generally politically incorrect to suggest that Dr Scott might have certain unresolved issues regarding attractive, outgoing young women who reject men she herself has a crush on so naturally I won't.
observer
17-07-2002
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“Originally posted by SugarHiccup
I watched RISE this morning too - I think the views you just posted about Kate's are actually your views. It's the way YOU picture it. Are you that desperate? ”

No, I watched it TOO and that's exactly what the psy said!!!
observer
17-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by eden2uk
Did she not see Kates tears when Alex told her all the stories former and present housemates accused her of. That is the reason why she has cold shouldered Alex a little over the last few days
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BS!! After Kate and Alex had their long talk about their past behavior, they realised that Jade was playing with most of the HMs (along with Lee) and they started to get along well, else Kate would never have had a massage bath with Alex later!!! So you are fooling yourself if you think that it;s because of that talk that lead Kate to nominate Alex.
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Kate does not want Alex to go and does express her concern to Jonny about him frequently.
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WOW, you are more gullible!! She doesn't want alex to go, so she nominated him!! yeah right!
observer
17-07-2002
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“Originally posted by emzi restalez
I thought she looked honestly shocked when she realised that Jade wasn't up for eviction. ”

'honestly'?! You must be joking!! She was schocked because she realised that having only 2 HMs up for eviction gave HER GAME AWAY!! If there were more than 2 names up for eviction, no one would have suspected who she nominated, but with 2 names only, it was obvious who nominated who.

Now she knows that Alex knows that she nominated him, and that's why she is annoyed that her 2 faces have been exposed!!
gazza71
17-07-2002
It's not 2 faced at all... She's had issues with both Jade and Alex - however, over the last 2 or 3 days Alex has been a complete miserable git, whilst Jade has been up for a laugh along with Jonny and Kate. If she had nominated Jade, you would have the same people calling her two faced for doing that - it's so pathetic.

Simple truth is this - these psychologists talk crap - their opinions are no better than anyone elses, and can easily be argued as long the people talking to them aren't complete morons (RI:SE) - the other thing to remember is they're employed by Big Bro. The same people who make sure the edits are done the way they want them done, and the same people who probably decide what the psychologists say about people on the sunday show.

Big Brother would be far better off without these psychologists so that we can make our own minds up - unfortunately they know how they want things to go... they know how to edit it to make it go the way they want it to go, and they know how to use these psychologists to make it go the way they want it go. They're all part of the plan - and go along with it because it just ups their profiles and gets them regular slots on other shows (one of em is now a regular on some BBC talk show)

As for Kate massaging Alex - she massaged Jade and Jonny as well, but thats channel 4's sloppy editing as usual for you. She also offered one to PJ.
magsiesss
17-07-2002
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“Originally posted by Elysium
[b]We also have to remember that Jonny may also have influenced the way Kate voted when he said, “Its gonna be those two’s against us two, and you Jade are gonna be in the middle.””

The word MAY should be changed to HAS.

It is also notable, for instance yesterday afternoon in particular, that any time Jade asked Jonny or Kate to play a game with her or go into the swimming pool, they were just not interested.

They don't need to keep her sweet any more - no more nominations.
Tracy
17-07-2002
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“Originally posted by MelBB1
Dr Sandra Scott who has difficulty speaking normally, is simply jealous of Kate and she wants Alex to win for sure! Whatever happened to impartiality? She has previously said negative things about Alison, Jade, Sophie and now Kate. Funny how she was glowing with admiration for Adele (the week Adele was up for eviction) and she was frantically telling us that Adele and Alex's relationship was genuine whilst saying Spencer and Kate's was not! Well we shall see what happens when this is all over. She also said it would be better for Jade to go that week for her own good! Talk about anything to keep Alex happy. Even when the RI:SE host was making fun of how Tim cried she had to butt in and say that actually it wasn't anything like that etc. DR Sandra Scott is an Alex fanatic and she will say anything to discredit those who have a real chance of beating him. IGNORE the silly woman from now on as she talks out of her AR$E ”

So what makes you think she's being biased? She's only being biased in your biased eyes. She's a professional in her field of work, we're amateurs when it comes to trying to assess people in the same way. Maybe she has the level headed view of what's really going on in the house, and is saying it as it really is. After all, it's not her fault that some fans don't like what she says.
curtaintwitcher
17-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by observer


'honestly'?! You must be joking!! She was schocked because she realised that having only 2 HMs up for eviction gave HER GAME AWAY!! If there were more than 2 names up for eviction, no one would have suspected who she nominated, but with 2 names only, it was obvious who nominated who.

Now she knows that Alex knows that she nominated him, and that's why she is annoyed that her 2 faces have been exposed!!
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Nominating Alex doesnt actually mean that she wants him to go. She has to nominate two people and perhaps Alex is just last in the list of people she would like to remain. As for Alex knowing she nominated him, unless the votes had been evenly spread so all housemates were up for eviction, she would have realised that would happen no matter who she nominated.
observer
17-07-2002
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“Originally posted by gazza71
It's not 2 faced at all... She's had issues with both Jade and Alex - however, over the last 2 or 3 days Alex has been a complete miserable git, ”

No! She did NOT have any issues (since the divide was up) with Alex (who are you trying to fool here?) And yes Alex was miserable (don't forget his toothache and headaches) but that had nothing to do with Kate, and Kate knew it. Beside Alex didn't became completely miserable until on the weekend (just 1 day before the nomination-day) Yes, she is 2 faced!!!
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As for Kate massaging Alex - she massaged Jade and Jonny as well
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No, NOT in the bath!!
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