Does any one agree with me I wonder?

As this years BB3 draws to a close I’m being left a little disturbed by the whole experience.

I’m not saying it hasn’t been entertaining, I probably spend 3 hours per day either on here or watching C/E4.

However I am finding the whole partisan ‘hatred’ thing which has undoubtedly been whipped up by C4/Endermol with the tabloids doing their bit, rather un-nerving.

Jade has her faults, a blind man on a galloping horse could see that. But did she deserve the level of vitriol that surrounded her?

Adele too, she was (and possibly still is) a total bitch, but we all know people as bad or worse than her, yet we don’t organise hate compains for them.

Jonnie may not be everyone’s cup of tea, but if you were out one evening and you met up with him and Mrs Jonny you would maybe spend an hour or two with them and perhaps, who knows, even enjoy it.

Alex, now he really isn’t my sort of chap, I find him way too miserable, but each to their own.

Kate I do quite like, but she sure isn’t perfect.

Last year there was lots of Helen is thick……and….Paul is boring type posts and newspaper articles, which were entertaining, without being nasty.

Perhaps I’m just getting old……..but this year I feel some of it has just gone too far……and I don’t think the pubic has changed, the HM’s are just a cross section from society, so the only thing left is the way the HM’s are portrayed by the shows production team.

I wonder if they have any problems sleeping?

Yes..I agree with that. do you think it was a media/ch 4 intention to do this?. I remember the daily mirror , right from day 1, being quite nasty and insulting towards the contestants , without reason at all. this seemed to spread to other tabloids.
are we more easily swayed by what we read in the media than we care to admit?.

I know I would refuse to countenance that, BUT as an experiment , a few weeks ago, I cancelled all my tabloids and havent read one since, and find myself wondering now why there is so much hate and vitiol aimed at the HM:s on various forums.

Maybe media reporting does have some sort of sub-concious effect?, much as we might deny it.
its like adverts, everyone says they arent , on the whole, influenced by them, yet most ad campaigns see massive rises in product sales.

what do you all think?, are we more influenced by the media than we'd care to acknowledge?.

I think BB4 will be a hate-a-thon. People who go into the house will probably be vilified by the media no matter what they do.

People are more likely to read an article about how so and so is a total b*stard rather than how wonderful everyone is.

I think the reason it's so split this year is because the people haven't been able ot just get along with each other and constantly had to point out the faults in others, without ever really giving them a chance. This really is a result of one person: Sandy - he took himself away from the group, put negative thoughts in peoples heads about them, and then left leaving behind a house full of anger.

This then only escalated with Jade and Adeles behaviour during the divide.

I think that media reporting has a huge CONCIOUS effect on the on peoples perceptions and conseqeuntly the voting. The only way you could not be influenced is to not read any tabloids or watch any other TV for the duration and just base everything on your observations of the house. A lot fairer but not really feasible.

IMHO The Mirror are hypocrites though, if the housemates are so awful, the programme so sh*te then STOP WRITING ABOUT IT! (Then see if you sell as many papers)

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Pretzel,

I have to agree esp. with the daily mirror thing......I was stranded at a motorway services the other morning and in a moment of utter boredom I flicked through the mirror only to find a fair chunk of it taken up with sneering reports about the HM’s.......but they were still going to a lot of effort to inform their readers about something their readers (in theory) have no interest in.

Gazza, I think you imbue Sandy with far more power than he had - he's been gone for weeks, and you think he's at the root of all the disagreements and inability to get along? I'm sure the kilted one would like the idea of being such an adept puppet master, but...

I don't read any of the tabloids, so I can't really comment on their role in stirring up 'hatred' - but I think in a way that's probably secondary to the manipulative engineering of the programme makers themselves. This is the first year where the tasks have been either so pathetic - in previous years the task or the training for a task might take all week, giving the HMs something to work on together and promoting a sense of team spirit...albeit a false sense of team spirit, given that in the end there could only be one winner. The lack of anything to do together this year, the lack of a book or magazine to read, allied with the large quantities of alcohol they've been given access too, have played a large part in causing friction. Heaven and Hell added to this, and of course one has to guess that when Endemol chose the contestants, they were looking for a bunch of people who'd be less cuddly than the HMs from BB1 or BB2.

There are a number of factors that have made this year's BB less 'fun and friendly' than those in previous years, Sandy only figures in those factors in the same way that the other housemates do. Unless of course one wants to believe he was the only housemate who had free will and the rest just blindly lead where he apparently followed...

I think if you ever listen to Alex, Adele and Tim talk - there's more often than not a mention of Sandys opinions on people.

It would be nice to simply blame the producers, the tabloids or a couple of individual HMs but we are all responsible for our own actions.

Thinking about it although I hope I've been fairly balanced about most of them I've probably exaggerated Tim and Jade's shortcomings in postings to various boards over the weeks. I still can't stand either of them but they aren't as morally reprehensible as I've allowed myself to believe.

If some of us have allowed ourselves to get totally carried away in a feeding frenzy of hate for HM's we don't happen to support then in the end we have only ourselves to blame.

yes, I agree this year's BB has been marred by the level of hatred fostered both in the house and reflected in the public (posters in this forum being a case in point.)

In my view the point at which the mood changed for the worse was after Alex's "house meeting" and the antagonistic and immature response from the other HMs.

I think the idea of the HMs having a 5 or 10 minute house meeting each week to air any concerns and constructively deal with them as a group would have avoided much of the subsequent "bitching" which people complain about.

Jonny, as the second oldest HM, should have met Alex's concerns in a responsible way. Instead he refused to even consider whether Alex had a valid point that could be resolved with mature discussion (-cue: scowling expression, supported by Spencer's rolling of eyes), and instead he began orchestrating antagonism and contempt towards Alex with his gang, eg."He is a woman" "I'm going to bake him a cake and sh*t in it". Not the kind of reasonable, calm and collected response I would expect from a 29-year old, let alone an emergency service professional.

Jonny's later "wipe the slate clean" talk with Alex would have impressed me more if he had not then continued to complain about Alex to the others and nominated him virtually every week since. Clearly Jonny has not in fact "wiped the slate clean" - something he could have done unilaterally (as Alex had doubts about Jonny's sincerity).

The resulting bad feeling between the two has permeated through to the end, and has been accentuated to crisis point now with the departure of HMs able to get on with both camps (PJ being the last real miidle link between them).

It's a shame because things could have worked out so much more pleasantly.

I think what the house needed was for PJ and Kate to stay in while Tim and Jade left. So far as the HMs were concerned the lottery while giving them the chance to duck out of nominations was a disaster for any chance of group bonding.

As I remember it, Alex didn't accept Jonny's apology in the first instance, and begrudgingly accepted it after Jonny had a long chat with him in the garden. Even then, Alex said 'don't expect me to shake your hand - I need time to think about it'.
To date, Alex still hasn't forgiven Jonny and continues to talk about him and nominate him.

( wprmy little impostor )
I think this year it is a case of who is despised less rather than who is liked best. we all seem to looking at the negatives rather than positives, although I have to say it is hard to find many positives.

Thanks for replying SugarHiccup, but I have pointed that out in my post.
That's why I suggested that Jonny could have chosen to "wipe the slate clean" UNILATERALLY; he would have earned himself kudos and viewer respect if he did.

Can't quite see this?

Who needed Sandy's honesty when we had a physical divide?

The truth is that the producers have tried their hardest to get a BB with loads of imature (imo) flirting and bitching. What was the point in dividing the house physically and then putting certain individuals on the spot (selection of room mates) if they didn't want to introduce and maintain an element of conflict.

I find Sandy's departure v. informative. He saw in those early weeks many of the individual flaws in the personality of certain hms which have come dominate this forum

( wormy little impostor )

Why should it be down to jonny? Alex stated that he could not forgive jonny, therefore the slate is not jonnies to wipe clean! and give over with the 'alex is perfect' crap, it is so biased and based on anything but fact. Jonny has many faults...SO DOES ALEX...so do we all now get the blinkers off!

Your post is incoherent. The bad feeling between them was mutual (witness Jonny's derogatory remarks about Alex and vice versa); the "dirty slate" belongs to both. Magnanimity is a much admired quality - eg. Sophie earned a lot of public respect when she said of Jade and Tim, "I don't have a problem with them, they have a problem with me." Jonny could have done the same.

Please - don't put words in my mouth or jump to conclusions. I never said "Alex is perfect". No one is (not even you). I am making the point that the other HMs could have dealt with Alex's complaints in a mature manner and that the idea of a weekly house meeting could have been useful. That Jonny, Alison et al responded with hostility has been the catalyst for the bad atmosphere of BB this year is something which I think is a cause for regret.
I respect opposing viewpoints that are well argued and coherent in logic. Which yours isn't. I hope you are not the same Father Jack who used to post enjoyable and thoughtful posts.

Firstly you seem to forget that Jonny has always nominated Alex bar once.
Secondly Jonny despite his apology (for our benefit !) has continued to ridicule Alex - for example, the puppet show !
Thirdly, Alex cannot forgive Jonny because like many of us, he can see right through Jonny. Alex sees him for what he is: a two-faced, egocentric fake who will do just about anything for money and fame !

Eejay

( wormy little impostor )
I never used quotation marks ("alex is perfect") therefore I did not put words into your mouth also, if you read my thread properly you will note that I indicated that not everyone is perfect, me included !
As for "well argued and coherent in logic", "I respect opposing viewpoints that are well argued and coherent in logic. Which yours isn't. I hope you are not..." see anything wrong in this? perhaps the use of a comma and perhaps an exclamation mark maybe.
as for father jack (as opposed to myself fatherjack) no we are not the same but then maybe you prefer him as he possibly agrees with you more than I do. You are are just an egomaniac!

errrrrrrr........

Have we gone from a media manipulation thread to an ‘our man’s better than your man’ thread?

Oh well.......such is life.

Steve.

PS........Kate to win BB3........there’s no contest really is there.

Totally agree ... the Daily Mirror's daily reports are totally unforgiveable in my opinion. They should save that kind of over-the-top hate-inducing vitriole for criminals, not ordinary people in a gameshow.

I don't like Tim (as a Big Brother contestant - he's boring in there) but there's no way he deserves the abusive rubbish being served up in the Daily Mirror every day about him, as if he has committed crimes of the utmost evil. They are WAY over the top this year. I've only seen this in the Mirror, but I assume all the tabloids are doing the same. How depressing.

IMHO, I think certain aspects of this year's BB has gone too far. The blatant campaigns against certain housemates by certain sections of the media, going as far as making fun of their physical attributes in the full public gaze as if it's some big laugh. The booing of some of the housemates, especially Adele, for doing no more than most of us do every day of the week. At times it's been akin to a lynch mob mentality.

Attitudes on this forum at times have been disgraceful too. I have no idea if this forum even existed for the other BBs of previous years but, if so, was it just the same then?

In the end these people are members of the public, like you and me, they are not high profile celebrities or used to this kind of attention, good or bad. Some say that they knew what they were letting themselves in for, but did they really? Did they expect some of the rubbish and vitriol which is being spewed from the mouths of people who really have no right to judge them as they do? The way some of them have been treated has been nothing short of disgraceful at times and some of you on this forum are as guilty as anybody.

Typing fast and attempting to condense what I have to say does not lend itself to grammatical, punctuational and spelling perfection. The quotation marks are MINE, because I am quoting a phrase in your post. Your use of inverted commas for that phrase is for different grammatical reasons. (Without wanting to sound immodest (the last thing I consider myself to be), I do have a degree in English - among others - so I can reasonably claim to have a good understanding of all the boring stuff like grammar, syntax, sentence construction, punctuation and all that.)

And I reject your accusation that I am an egomaniac. I have said I am happy to listen to, and will even applaud, well argued opposing viewpoints. Sidestepping a debate using gratuitous invective does not impress me. I work in the legal profession, and the ability to advance valid points based on reasoned analysis, with attention to word usage that can be justified, is vital. Throwing words around without due consideration, making unsubstantiated assertions and name-calling will not get you far in court.

I have no wish to enter into an unnecessary slanging match with you, if that's all you have to offer -- particularly as this thread is intended to deplore such behaviour. Let's just agree to differ.

ta for ending that mystic.
the thread isnt really about who is best HM however. I was more interested in peoples opinions of the impact of the media coverage. maybe one of you could contribute and discuss whever your loyalty to a particular housemate is influenced by the media, even if a small degree, or not at all.