I first noticed it weeks ago, and thought it quite rude, so obviously did Ian, as he sort of manouvred himself back into camera shot, as briskly as he could and joined in the interview. But yes, if body language expert Judy James had been on ITT again this series, I'm sure she'd have had a field day with Zoe's *performances* in the backstage area. Incidentally, before people come on and bring up Patsy, IMO Patsy's humorous ramblings were very much off the cuff, like her "chow chow, pum pum" exhuberance after the Smooth which Anton joked about! LOL!

Well what about the time Zoe and Ian went out dancing on Bournemouth pier, touting for votes???? Is it a one-way street???

Yes, I'd noticed that, too! She blocks Ian out and dominates the interview with Tess, then she turns all coy by suddenly hugging and clinging to him and looking down at her feet! Manipulative?? Well...strange at the very least...

Can i just point out this was not meant to be an anti Zoe or Ian thread.

Merely pointing out that these two's relationship seems far more strained than the others at this present time.

Anyone who says they did not see anything wrong between the pair tonight must need counselling !!.

Ian's contempt and irritation was writtten plain across is face.

He was clearly angered that she chose to ridicule his choice of music for this coming weeks dance and her comment that her performance in the Cha-Cha was to use her expression 'pants' (Brunos' 9 !!!) infuriated him.

Zoe/Ian supporters should be admired for their loyalty but are looking through rose-tinted glasses if they say they cannot see anything wrong between the pair.

Yes, agree on Patsy. Yes Patsy talked over Anton totally but somehow it's just different isn't it ? Patsy is just Patsy and totally bonkers. Bless her :wub:

Yes, Zoe comes back from the dancing and first thign is hands on hips and Ian is left standing behind her. It's such an overt domiant move I'm surprised I didn't pick up on it before ! If you look at Jill and Darren's post dance interviews from last year, she would always come in and look up at him and smile before answering the questions and always offer him the chance to speak. They worked *together*.

I'm afraid it's all about Zoe, and the GBP doesn't like that. I know she'll say she doesn't want to let Ian down blah blah but I just can't buy that when she's not remotely interested in even letting the man *speak*.

ETA: Agree Lupe, this isn't anti- Zoe/Ian becuase I've voted for them every single week and will do so this week because their dancing excites me the most, and that for me, is what this show is all about. Doesn't mean I have to pretend all is rosey behind the scenes.

Has it really come down to having to pick faults with the way Zoe does something with her face? Or where she places her hand? Or how she moves her body? What's next? Is the way she breathes irritating, too?

It's nitpicking on this level which makes me despair sometimes. And no, I don't say this as just a Zoe fan. I say this as a fan of the show, of contestants who are going out there each week, giving their all and raising money for CIN in the process. I don't care who that person is, be it Erin, James, Patsy or Zoe, but they shouldn't be ripped apart by people who do not know them, nor has any idea what is going on in their heads.

This part is not directed at you, but as I've said before, people talk like such and such an action is positive proof that Person A is a fame whore/dominant/aggressive/about to hit their partner (that one still gets me) Often, all it is really is "proof" that'll help to solidify the way you choose to look at that person. Think they're awful? Well, look how they hold their hand. They must be awful.
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I agree keira,

I didnt come in here to get into an argument, I just felt the idea that things were so bad between them was very extreme. I have noticed things such as her standing infront of him during the tess interviews effectively blocking him from being fully involved, but recently he's been asserting his presence and can obviously take care of himself . He did look a bit upset about Denise but immediately you could also see mirth in his eyes and he took it in good part and laughed with Claudia.

I just want to be able to enjoy the last couple of shows with out coming on forum and finding one couple or other being slated about something. They are all working extremely hard making money for charity and thats what its majorly about. They arent arguing back stage about who's costume is better, or who's shoes, or whatever, why are we getting tense again over whether they are or arent getting on. It seems daft to me.

As a newcomer to this forum I felt I 'd just throw my twopennyworth in.I think Ian & Zoe must be feeling the pressure of the competition now ( I'm sure all the contestants feel the same) but I think Ian is under the most pressure having got to the final before. He seemed irritated by Zoe tonight but I must admit the idea of Zoe laughing hystericall at the passo music is a little disconcerting!

As a newcomer to this forum I felt I 'd just throw my twopennyworth in.I think Ian & Zoe must be feeling the pressure of the competition now ( I'm sure all the contestants feel the same) but I think Ian is under the most pressure having got to the final before. He seemed irritated by Zoe tonight but I must admit the idea of Zoe laughing hysterically at the passo music is a little disconcerting!
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I agree with Lupe on this. Tonights ITT Zoe definately dominated the interview, cutting him out at every attempt he made to speak. Also the body language was in evidence again as she almost totally turned her back to Ian while talking to Claudia. If any of you have it taped, watch it again and you'll see what I mean. Poor old Ian definitely has his work cut out there

For what it's worth, I don't disagree entirely with some of the comments here. I, too, thought Ian was a bit frustrated that he couldn't speak like he wanted to. But I also think people read way too much into what a particular action means and it becomes like a thread for conspiracy theorists, absolutely certain that all must be bad behind the scenes.

Zoe can gab for England. There's no doubting that. The girl loves to talk. But the excessive, as some would call it, talkativeness doesn't seem to be borne out of maliciousness or a whole LOOK AT ME vibe. It does seem to be nervousness (and for those who say she shouldn't be nervous, it's surprisingly not uncommon. I know of singers, for example, who have had panic attacks before performing, even though they're plenty used to it too) because although she's generally a fast, non-stop talker, she isn't that fast. As I mentioned in the ITT thread, I think it comes out when she's talking about herself. It's been commented on before by an interviewer for some magazine article she did. They wished she had a pause button, because she's like a duracell battery. Once she gets started, there's no stopping her. It doesn't mean she's a bad person though, so I do feel some of these comments are a bit off.

Now it's reached this stage in the game, the pressure is on. Ian is certainly competitive - you have to be in this game - and seems to be pushing Zoe. They both want to be back at the top and when things do not go strictly to plan during training you're going to get moments of frustration. We've seen glimpses of it with the others too, so they're not alone there. On the basis of this, it's really too much of a leap to assume that they have contempt for each other or that it's all gone horribly wrong.
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I think we also need to think back to what happened with Patsy and Anton, yes she talked over him but people read far too much into them "not getting on" when looking back they obviously did.

there was something definately up with Ian tonight but it may not have had anything to do with Zoe, or just having a bad day - we all have those.

I did feel sorry for him a couple of times he asked to speak and touched her arm to get her attention and she ignored him I think they were just having one of those days

I think Zoe wants to make it look like she is unconfident. Show the public that there is a vulnerability there and it isn't all easy for her. She's not exactly going to come out all arrogant is she? Believe me she will pull it together by saturday and deliver yet another performance that will woo the judges. :yawn:

A point of clarification - I mentioned earlier about her nervous energy. Some posters argued back that she shouldn't be nervous as a television presenter.

Nervous energy is quite different to being nervous. Zoe seemed wired, and it's that unbridled energy that makes her dancing so compulsive.

I watched ITT last night and couldn't believe how she dominated the interview!! I actually was shouting 'Zoe! Shut Up!' at the TV screen!!!!

At the end of the day, darling, Ian is the professional, so stop criticising him!!

Nat
xxx

I watched last night's interview with Zoe and Ian and just like Patsy seemed to do with Anton, Zoe kept (annoyingly) over talking whatever Ian was about to say.

This is not a snipe at the dancers. If someone starts to talk ie Ian, it's just good manners to let them at least finish what they're saying. I found this really bad last night and noticed that Patsy would do this with Anton. Must be very frustrating for the two men.

Manners please !

Maryjay

I sat there thinking the same.

I think Zoe is extremely insecure and finding herself in the bottom two hit hard, let's face it she is the only one left whose career is about popularity, radio shows etc. Her ego must have taken a hard knock.

I have really warmed to Ian on this years show, he always seem distant before.

This Zoe bashing is getting really bad. I feel it is Darren and James fans hanging on to a slight thing to try and discredit Zoe. Why cant we all just enjoy the show and vote for who we like on the night?

I was watching last night and I did think it was pretty obvious Ian wasnt in the best of form for whatever reason. Zoe did keep talking over him, as she has a tendency to do, and you could see that it was irritating him abit. Ian does have to be careful as I think it was his competitiveness that cost him the final last year. He and Denise were great together and she came on in leaps and bounds but they definately seemed abit obsessed with winning, obviously they all want to but its very obvious where Ian is concerned. Although he is a proffesional and obviously its in their nature to win, he needs to tone it down abit, like you could clearly see he was getting really irate with Zoe for laughing at the music, ok it would have been annoying after about 5 minutes but he needs to show that he has a sense of humour too. He didnt look impressed at all with the Denise/Colin VT that was shown, he tried to cover it but it was so obvious he was really really annoyed about it. he needs to be careful as he doesnt want to come across as too competitive or the public will turn on him.
Also the judges need to stop the prejudiced marking system, I mean Craig said he found their Cha-Cha "really disappointing" yet he gave them an 8?! and it certainly didnt deserve a 9 from Bruno, but thats hradly Ian and Zoes fault but I do believe its costing them votes.

Very well said, i thought to show denise lewis voting for colin, was a bit of a horrible thing to do!! esp for ian who sat there and probably really thought, well thats nice! esp after how close they came last year!! bit of tact please!

I can imagine their paso and waltz will be amazing! well thats what im hoping for anyways!!

T care
jackie xxx

Well put there. i agree.
I know I am biased towards Ian, and yes Zoe did hog the interview last night. Perhaps she is just that sort of person, being a TV presenter. Bill tended to hog the interviews, Fiona never really let Brendan say much and Patsy was so irritating not letting Anton speak.
I know that Ian is not really 100% comfortable in front of the camera. The pressure is on now, and of course he wants to win as do all the female pros. Zoe must be feeling the pressure too. Which probably accounts for they way she gabbled on last night.
Their relationship as far as I know is as good now as it was all along. Ian is such a sweet and gentle person, if I had been him I would have put my hand over her mouth while I made my point! He looked a bit serious probably because he had his unshaved Tango face on. I think it was out of order for Claudia to show Colin and Erin touting for votes with Denise. She probably does vote for Ian anyway. I hope they stay in because their routines promise to be spectacular.

I thought Iain was very aloof last night, I put it down to Zoe acting like she had drunk one too many cups of coffee, BUT now the OP mentions it, maybe...... maybe not.......

I think maybe he thought i aint gonna say anything im just gonna make sure i let the dancing do the talking on sat! and blow everyone away! then lets see whose laughing!

If he thought that then he really doesnt sound like a nice person! lol
I mean why go on the show if you're going to act like your majority ticked off about something. Id say he's still smarting abit about being in the bottom 2.

I think it's about time that Colin and Erin got more air-time : the others all seem to have a little more than their fair share in recent weeks and they all want to tout for votes where they can.

I'm sure you'll find the "Denise" vote was light hearted, just as it all should be.

In the alternative judges panel section this week, they didn't even show Colin/Erin's dance being reviewed ! (and what a show they put on) (Only slightly biased !!)

Sure this Saturday's show will be great entertainment.

Maryjay