When she said that its such a shame that in the two final weeks there has been two people remaining who do not want to be in the house and lots who have been evicted that would have loved the chance to stay in.

Given how many people applied for BB and how the likes of Alison, PJ and Spencer were "gutted" at being evicted I think both Tim and Alex should stop damn well moaning. If its any consolation to them I wish they were both gone as well the pair of saddos.

Say what you want about Kate and Jonny but at least they are appreciating their moment and all that it entails not wittering on like two old women.

Yes he should make the best of it but....

Kate and Jonny have created their little clique all the way through, bitched about Alex and nominated him countless times. They have also acted like butlins redcoats and not everyone appreciates this 12 hours a day every day.

Show a little understanding and put yourself in that situation.

I wish Alex would try and forget things and give it his best for the last week or so but I do understand his feelings of frustration and isolation.

Surely anyone who has seen some of the conversations Kate has had with others can see this girl is not bitchy and she often tries to see other peoples points of view... Talking to Jade about Tim - she made the point that it wasn't his type of thing, so fair enough - but at least try to get into it, rather than sit there and moan. And why come on to a show where you know you're going to do silly things and make a bit of fool of yourself if you know you can't handle that?

And then Alex... Kate made another point - I'm sure her last 5 would have been her, Alison, PJ, Jonny and Spencer - But she doesn't go out of her way to avoid people, and make nasty comments about them. She's given Jade a chance, which Alex would never do for any of them, and she's now genuinely getting on well with her - even though they may never be the best of mates.

I look back to the Sophie thing as well, and just remember her being very fair with both Sophie and Tim and Jade... I understand Kate getting tiresome for some people with her voices, but surely she has been one of the fairer people in that house when it comes to giving people a chance and not just lashing out about how horrible or thick they are.

It's about trying to get on with people and making the best of situations... It doesn't mean that you're not being genuine just because you're trying to get on with someone we know you don't all like that much - it's just easier for yourself and others to do that when you are trapped in a house 24/7 with people.

And if she is trying to carve out a career for herself - so what? She's good at impressions and if people see that and shes gets offers - that good for her. At least she hasn't spent most of her time slagging others off and just tried to have a good time.

She's got my vote.

"Kate and Jonny have created their little clique all the way through, bitched about Alex and nominated him countless times."

Nonsense, Kate has never had a big bitch about Alex. She always gives fair arguments. When Jonny spoke about how Alex and Tim suddenly became buddies after the divide went down, Kate quickly pointed out that they used to speak to each other through the bars a lot. She's been one of the fairer people throughout imo - especially when you look back at other conflicts which she's found herself involved in (sophie situation in particular)

Alex had his cliques - Sandy, Adele and Tim - and the way they spoke about others is real bitching. It was very insulting at times and continues to be now with Tim.

All this conflict is down to Sandy, Adele and Tims manipulative ways, and Alex's weakness. Please Alex, try to get on with Kate at the very least - we all know you two can sit there for an hour and talk about things - you've done it in the bath tub together and never looked happier mate.

Kate is right - he just needs to lighten up a bit.

Gazza I agree with everything you have said 100% Has either Kate or Jonny made anyone cry? No? Alex has on a number of occasions (remember when he pulled the covers off Kate?) As a girl I hate women who are constantly bitchy as it gives us a bad name and women have fought for years to be taken seriously and not to be stereotyped into a "typical bitchy women" typecast. Kate deserves to win she is funny, kind (ex ref Sophie) and fair. Alex is a bitch and because he is a man his supporters defend it. Sorry but its true Kate has behaved morally correct right the way through the time in BB3. As has Jonny I hasten to add (so this is not a girl v boy argument!!!)

I'm sure Kate would love to help Alex to lighten up but she has formed a strong alliance with Jonny and he wont give them a chance to get together at all - he pounces in straight away if they show any sign of bonding.
I dont think all the conflict is all down to Sandy Adel and Tim - Jonny is very manipulative as well.
Unless Jonny drinks himself into oblivion for a day - I dont see Kate and Alex getting back in the bath together - shame.

Kate had a moment of astuteness in the bath with Jade.

Talking about Alex she said 'he's talked to the chickens more than me today...'

Think it through girl, think it through!

Rennie
Supporting the chickens 110% - what a great coup £70k would be build....

Vote the chickens to win because
1 - they don't do Davina impressions on loop
2 - they are creative (well they create eggs)
3 - they don't dwell on breaking wind
4 - one cockerel, lots of lady hens, yet no jealousy
5 - not one chicken has said 'ah me poor Mam, having to come all the way from her coup up north' x 100
6 - none of the chickens have wee'd in the shower
7 - the chickens have kept their fungal infections to themselves
8 - the chickens know East Anglia is part of Great Britain
9 - no chicken has refered to previous BB chickens 'Marjory wouldn't do that....'
10 - they've all come out of their shells

TSR WTF r u on about, it's alex who has constantly bitched about jonney and kate since first week, and still to this day all i see is him constantly bitching and moaning about them...

kate has to win big brother, i have already started my campaining, we can not let boring fart like alex win.

"I'm sure Kate would love to help Alex to lighten up but she has formed a strong alliance with Jonny and he wont give them a chance to get together at all - he pounces in straight away if they show any sign of bonding."

I have thought this myself, but at the same time, Alex has really taken himself away from Kate now as well and joined forces with Tim. I don't understand why Alex thinks he has so little in common with Kate when they've been to so many of the same places together.

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“ from Gazza71 - "Kate and Jonny have created their little clique all the way through, bitched about Alex and nominated him countless times."

Nonsense, Kate has never had a big bitch about Alex. She always gives fair arguments. When Jonny spoke about how Alex and Tim suddenly became buddies after the divide went down, Kate quickly pointed out that they used to speak to each other through the bars a lot. She's been one of the fairer people throughout imo - especially when you look back at other conflicts which she's found herself involved in (sophie situation in particular)

Alex had his cliques - Sandy, Adele and Tim - and the way they spoke about others is real bitching. It was very insulting at times and continues to be now with Tim.

All this conflict is down to Sandy, Adele and Tims manipulative ways, and Alex's weakness. Please Alex, try to get on with Kate at the very least - we all know you two can sit there for an hour and talk about things - you've done it in the bath tub together and never looked happier mate.

Kate is right - he just needs to lighten up a bit.”

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You got it on one! Well said.

What are you people on? She has used ALL the popular guys to gain support. The first week, she thought Alex would be popular, because of his looks and was all over him like a rash. She then decided Spencer was cool, so went for him instead. Last week she saw she was up for eviction and decided to be all over Alex again, she couldn't do it with PJ as he was up too, or Jonny or TIm as they had girlfriends, tho I dare say if they had been half decent looking, she would have chose them instead.

Since Friday onwards, Kates hardly had the time of day for Alex, this could be because of Jonny and PJ grilling her about Follow the van, but I think it has more to do with her hearing the cheers for Jonny outside on Friday and deciding to hook up with Jonny as she thinks he is more popular.

Also, she's used her friendship with Alex to get info from him. Twice now Alex has had a heart to heart with Kate, only for Kate to immediately relay it onto Jonny.

I think Alex realises he was taken for a mug last week !! I wouldn't want anything to do with them either. It takes two to create barriers, in this case, Alex on one side and Jonny, Kate and Jade on the other. Why would Alex want to sit with 3 people who obviously cant stand him?! I dont think Tim's helped matters, like Kate he has been happy to relay stories, stirring away, like Kate!!

Can you imagine what Kate or Jonny would be like if they were in the same situation as Alex?
eg Left with Sandy, Tim & Alex in the final week? I don't even think I need to say that Alex's so called moaning would pale into comparison to what Kate or Jonny would be like!

Errm. I'm sorry, but starting a strip poker game, knowing that an extremely drunk Jade will lose can't be morally correct. As for Kate, any woman who doesn't step in to prevent the public humiliation of Jade in that way has got some big learning to do. Adele got a lot of grief for manipulating Jade, but Kate has done exactly the same.

Kate has never bitched about Alex...what??!! Do you not watch E4 late night, her and Jonny have been a right couple of gossips!!

What happened to the friendship that seemed to be developing between Alex and Kate?
They were in the hot tub together,played "follow the van" etc but now they seem to barely speak.
Did anything specific happen?

Kate's house-daddy didn't approve.

I do and I'd be rather intrigued as to which nights you're talking about!!
And there's a difference to being a gossip and being a bitch/bitching about someone.

Sandy - yes PJ got evicted, so she didn't have to carry on with the act, threat of eviction wasn't over her anymore. She also heard chants for Jonny on Friday, so decided he must be more popular than Alex.

Kate + Alex, no chance, his eyes have been opened in the last few days. She's repeated every conversation back to her master and mentor, Jonny. She's lucky he's even speaking to her, i would totally ignore her.

I don't know what all the fuss is about anyway, they don't like him, he doesn't like them. If he wants to sit by himself, then leave him, what's their F$$$$$$ problem with that. Or is it they are worried how it will look on C4 if he is sitting himself all the time, maybe they are more worried about how it makes them look, than this fake worry about Alex enjoying himself.

Bollocks AHA - you don;t seem to understand the difference between discussing and bitching. A shame really. The way Tim goes on about Jonny being a ******** is bitching... Kate and Jonny discussing Alex, and how he needs to lighten up a bit even thought he's in there with people he doesn't like, is not bitching.

"What are you people on? She has used ALL the popular guys to gain support. The first week, she thought Alex would be popular, because of his looks and was all over him like a rash."

She wasn't really all over him. She probably spent more time throwing that ball with Spencer. He then turned into the most anally retentive man on the planet - no sane person could like Alex that first week.


"She then decided Spencer was cool, so went for him instead."

Yes, because Spencer came out of his shell, and started to speak a lot more. the first few days, he did nothing... Both PJ and Kate got close to Spencer at around the same time, because this is when he started to open up a bit more.


"Last week she saw she was up for eviction and decided to be all over Alex again"

I like how it's her who was all over him, as if he didn't do anything. Certainly she was never all over him like she was Spencer. They were in a bath tub for an hour and spoke about Japan and skin care - my god - the flirting! And She stopped Alex from playing follow the van that week and went on to tell him the only guy she liked in that way was Spencer. If she was using him to stay in as a chance of romance then why would she have told him in the middle of the week that the only guy she fancied was Spencer? They could have shown that, but they didn't because they wanted people to believe something would happen between them - when actually everyone who saw her say that knew nothing would.


"Since Friday onwards, Kates hardly had the time of day for Alex,"

Because he's been a horrible grumpy git perhaps?

"this could be because of Jonny and PJ grilling her about Follow the van, but I think it has more to do with her hearing the cheers for Jonny outside on Friday and deciding to hook up with Jonny as she thinks he is more popular."

She's always been closer to Jonny than anyone, She's closer to Jonny than she was Spencer. Remember Spencer getting pissed off one night because she chose to tell Jonny about her threesome thing instead of Spencer.


As for the strip poker thing - they were all drunk, and Jade is a grown woman. but Kate was still the one who eventually made the point about women being seen as slags for doing that and did try to cover her up. Maybe it was a bit late, but to have any more of a go at Kate for that than the others is unfair, because she at least did try.

So I suppose when Kate was hitting the punchbag saying it was Alex that was discussing him too was it? Yep course it was

Would you like to talk to someone who reports every conversation back to your house rival? I think not. Kate's not a nasty person but shes nothing special and certainly does'nt deserve to win! C'mon Alex!

Can i have a solicitor present before I answer that one ?

Exactly i agree. No1 forced her to play the game and kate was disgusted that Jade was doing this and told her so, i remember kate backing jade up a few times too over whether some names had been repeated or not.

"So I suppose when Kate was hitting the punchbag saying it was Alex that was discussing him too was it? Yep course it was"

Happened 5 weeks, in front of everyone, after Alex had just had a go at her and smirked at the fact she walked off and he didn't have the guts to tell her what his problem was.

"Would you like to talk to someone who reports every conversation back to your house rival? I think not. "

If he just spoke about normal things, like his job and countries he's been to, like he has before with her - it would be fine. Why can't he do this?

Gazza71 - You're entitled to your views, but, just because you dont agree with mine, doesn't mean they are bollocks.

It's also funny how everyone has different interpretations about bitching, to me bitching, is talking with someone about someone else in a derogatory fashion, that includes passing on what people have said. Also Kate had quite a few tantrums the other week slagging Alex off big time. Kate and Jonny, try to make it sound as if they're not bitching, they are much more aware of the cameras, but every so often their mask slips.

Talking about anyone while they are not there, in my book is bitching.