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Anita_Blake
08-12-2005
I've been looking quite closley at the remaining couples and I was wondering what other people thought about their relationships and what their body language is telling us.

Darren and Lilia, both seem very tactile and comfortable around each other, they are relaxed being close and there (IMO) doesn't seem to be any obvious tension, out of the remaining 4 I would say they are probably the most intune with each other. After the show I think they will stay in touch and remain friends.

Colin and Erin, to me again they seem quite close, possibly not as close as Darren and Lilia as Colin appears to be less tactile but I haven't picked up on any real tensions between the 2. Erin seems to know when to back off and when to be comforting, something she may well have had help with from being with Julian Clary last year, who hated being touched by anyone.

James and Camilla, now this is an interesting one, on the surface it appears as though they are the closest of the couples, but if you look closer then Camilla seems to have pulled right back, James is still very tactile and protective but his touches appear briefer and less welcomed. If you watch them closer Camilla almost flinches at times when James is given her, what I think he perceives as, reassuring squeezes on her shoulder or upper arm. I don't think all is completely well between them.

Zoe and Ian. Now this one fascinates me, Zoe is incredibly tactile, she holds his hand, hugs and squeezes him at every available opportunity but Ian is nowhere near as forthcoming with her, in fact at times he seems to almost tense up and try and pull away from Zoe but she seems totally unaware of this. I think Ian is very competitive and is lookign more at Zoe as a way of winning rather than a close friend and Zoe will be the one to make all contact with Ian after the show.

BTW this isn't intended as a thread to "bash" anyone, just what you think their body language tells us when the words don't seem to match up.
welshbabe
08-12-2005
Great body langue anyases
Tasi
08-12-2005
My husband, who has to assess body language as part of his job, has been telling me what the celebs and pro dancers REALLY think of each other..... and it's been a complete eye opener I can tell you!
caclin
08-12-2005
Have to agree although I think that Erin and Colin's relationship is the strongest. I think they are both equally competitive and connect on that level. and I think there's a lot of mutual respect but neither of them seems to worry about showing it off. Darren and Lillia I agree also seem to have a lot of genuine fun together but the other two couples leave me wondering - would love to hear an 'expert' opinion
tinkerbell68
08-12-2005
Originally Posted by Tasi:
“My husband, who has to assess body language as part of his job, has been telling me what the celebs and pro dancers REALLY think of each other..... and it's been a complete eye opener I can tell you!”


Go on then spill the beans - i'd be interested to see if he's reached the same conclusion my friends and i have
Anita_Blake
08-12-2005
Originally Posted by Tasi:
“My husband, who has to assess body language as part of his job, has been telling me what the celebs and pro dancers REALLY think of each other..... and it's been a complete eye opener I can tell you!”

Spill please
Cat123
08-12-2005
Totally agree Anita. Although I think Camilla's uneasyness sometimes is less to do with James, and more to do with not wanting to audience to gett he wrong idea.........
scentoftheroses
08-12-2005
Originally Posted by Cat123:
“Although I think Camilla's uneasyness sometimes is less to do with James, and more to do with not wanting to audience to gett he wrong idea.........”

The wrong idea that is actually probably the right idea?! Lol
elizabethjo
08-12-2005
Lilia and Darren seem to have a very good relationship. Hard to tell with Erin and Colin they are both so competitive. James and Camilla seem to have an 'are they arent they' thing going on which might be deliberate to keep people voting for them.
Ian I think you have got wrong. Watch the training bits he is always hugging her quite naturally. He gets on with Norman and the rest of the family and he does have a good relationship with Zoe. Ian though is not a natural in front of the camera which is probably why Zoe does most of the talking on ITT. He is very reserved. The thing you must also take into account is that he is gay. He has a sort of brother sister relationship with Zoe. I can see a lot more than meets they eye there probably because i know him so well.
Eclipse80
08-12-2005
Tasi, let us know what your husband thinks then.

I think Lilia is a person who is very easy to get on with, hence why she has had great relationships with both her dance partners Aled and darren. I think her and Darren get on so well because they both enjoy a laugh. Although she seems to have taken a back seat this year as Darren is such a loud character. I think it's obvious Darren fancies her

Ian and Zoe seem to have a strained relationship, she is constantly affectionate with him even though she gets no response from him. And they don't seem to have a good rapport with each other. They are heading in different directions, he is very competitive and focused, she isn't. This is why he had a much closer relationship Denise. I think Ian is getting fed up with her constantly talking over him. She will physically stop him from talking by using her body to kind of cover him when he is trying to talk or, as on ITT, yesterday she would tap his knee everytime she interrupted him as it was a signal for him to stop. She is actually quite dominant of him in that sense

I do not believe there was anything serious between James and Camilla. During their practices she has been very clumsy around him, constantly elbowing him or falling over him. This could mean she is nervous or uncomfortable around him. After each dance he hugs her like a mate and punches his fist. And as for that massive dog in between them on ITT it just made them look distant. I can't think of any reason why they would want to deliberately look distant or why they would want to hide theri relationship, if there was one.

I think Colin and Erin have the strongest dance relationship and this has been evident from the beginning, it's only now they have become closer on a personal level. They both have the same aim and are experiencing the competion in the same way. In the past week and esp their appearance on ITT, they were so much more relaxed around each other and were much closer. I think they were both relaxed about the fact they gave brilliant performances.
icklekermy
08-12-2005
Originally Posted by Tasi:
“My husband, who has to assess body language as part of his job, has been telling me what the celebs and pro dancers REALLY think of each other..... and it's been a complete eye opener I can tell you!”


so are you going to share or is that it?
Anita_Blake
08-12-2005
Originally Posted by elizabethjo:
“Lilia and Darren seem to have a very good relationship. Hard to tell with Erin and Colin they are both so competitive. James and Camilla seem to have an 'are they arent they' thing going on which might be deliberate to keep people voting for them.
Ian I think you have got wrong. Watch the training bits he is always hugging her quite naturally. He gets on with Norman and the rest of the family and he does have a good relationship with Zoe. Ian though is not a natural in front of the camera which is probably why Zoe does most of the talking on ITT. He is very reserved. The thing you must also take into account is that he is gay. He has a sort of brother sister relationship with Zoe. I can see a lot more than meets they eye there probably because i know him so well.”

His hugging isn't natural, in fact he rarely if ever makes the first move to hug, he just returns Zoes and normally halfheartedly...
Tasi
08-12-2005
Originally Posted by icklekermy:
“so are you going to share or is that it?”

No I'd get sued! But quite honestly all this hype in the press is just talk.
Anita_Blake
08-12-2005
Originally Posted by Tasi:
“No I'd get sued! But quite honestly all this hype in the press is just talk.”

You can't be sued for speculation about body language!
Eclipse80
08-12-2005
Why would you get sued? It's just an opinion, at the end of the day.
Diamondlife
08-12-2005
I really wouldn't like to speculate as so called body language was used against me in the past to betray what I was supposedly thinking at the time which was completely opposite.
Will say this though, Darren looked somewhat tense the other nite on ITT. I don't know why though
Eclipse80
08-12-2005
I thought Darren looked very hostile after his rumba on SCD. He does not like the fact Colin is doing better than him. He no longer talks about competiting with James anymore it's alll about Colin, and it's not a friendly rivalry like it was with James.
elizabethjo
08-12-2005
Originally Posted by Anita_Blake:
“His hugging isn't natural, in fact he rarely if ever makes the first move to hug, he just returns Zoes and normally halfheartedly...”

How wrong you are!
I have just corrrected some wrongs elswhere on here so I will do so here as well.
I spoke to Ian today, I was concerned about the Zoe bashing which is going on. I texted him to ask permission to speak. I got it straight away. Now because I know him so well anything he says to me is the truth, not camera talk.

He and Zoe get on like brother and sister almost. They are fine together, no problems. However they are really tired. I have never seen anything wrong with they way they are together personally. perhaps that is because I know him and his behaviour with Zoe always looks Ok to me.
He was not put out because she interupted him on ITT. He thought it was funny. He was surprised to learn that people on here thought differently. The Denise thing on the film startled him a bit as he didnt know they were going to throw it at him. He knows theyt are under pressure as Zoe is the last female celeb in and everyone seems determined to have a male celeb winning this time.
Their Paso is going to be brilliant and their Viennese will be as terrific as Viennese ever can get.
He said thank you to all that support him, please keep it up.
claire2281
08-12-2005
Thanks for the post Elizabeth. I think sometimes people can overanalyse things like body language. I know that when I'm feeling tired and run down, my body language looks like I probably hate everyone but that's just because of me, not them! It's an inprecise science at best and as far as I can see, everyone left gets on well with one another. At least as well as they can considering how tired and stressed they must be!
soap_a_holic
08-12-2005
Wow that was brilliant!!!! I noticed the james and camilla thing too- itz like she's the one doing all the chasing. I believe that darren and lilia will remain close friends after the show as well- they seem to get on great
Eclipse80
08-12-2005
You do know body language betrays so much more about your true feelings. I'm not saying that the speculation about Zoe and Ian is true. But from an example in my working life, I was often been asked, "why are you talking to _____?" My reply was "Oh because we get on really welll, I've seen a different side of her." But the true reason was, because she could give me loads of gossip and I learnt so much, about my job, from her, but really I couldn't stand the two-faced B**ch. My true intentions were diferrent from what I had said

Plus did you ask him about the constant interuptions by Zoe in his interview on ITT. I doubt even the most patient of souls would have been able to tolerate that.
Hellywelly
08-12-2005
Originally Posted by claire2281:
“ think sometimes people can overanalyse things like body language.”

Totally agree. It's all very well saying that doing x means such a thing etc etc, but unless you actually know the circumstances of what is going on it all falls apart.

I remember watching a TV programme about body language and they showed a clip to some 'experts' who all agreed that person x was trying to be the dominant one out of a group of people beacause he was doing this that and the next thing. Turns out he had an injury which was making him move the way he did!!
richuk69
08-12-2005
The biggest indication for me that Colin and Erin have the closest relationship was shown on saturday not only in the performances but in the way they were after the performances, after the 1st dance colin kissed erin on the lips to me if you're not comfortable with someone you wouldn't attempt to do that on live TV and we all saw his count dracula act after the smooth i've been going on about it all week but i think that was a very sexy moment, i can't think of anything that matches that from the other couples throughout the competition
Jackster31
08-12-2005
Originally Posted by richuk69:
“The biggest indication for me that Colin and Erin have the closest relationship was shown on saturday not only in the performances but in the way they were after the performances, after the 1st dance colin kissed erin on the lips to me if you're not comfortable with someone you wouldn't attempt to do that on live TV and we all saw his count dracula act after the smooth i've been going on about it all week but i think that was a very sexy moment, i can't think of anything that matches that from the other couples throughout the competition”

Can't say I agree. Allthough their Smooth was brilliant (very much Hollywood so to speak) and their Rumba certainly made technical sense I still feel that Colin tries too hard to make the connection between him and Erin believable. To me she's still sort of the ice-queen and he, imo, plays well the part of the overachieving student (excusez le mots).
As said before no faults technically and probably the celeb who comes closests to the level of the pro's. However I don't see that close relationship between him and Erin :sleep:
elizabethjo
08-12-2005
Originally Posted by Eclipse80:
“You do know body language betrays so much more about your true feelings. I'm not saying that the speculation about Zoe and Ian is true. But from an example in my working life, I was often been asked, "why are you talking to _____?" My reply was "Oh because we get on really welll, I've seen a different side of her." But the true reason was, because she could give me loads of gossip and I learnt so much, about my job, from her, but really I couldn't stand the two-faced B**ch. My true intentions were diferrent from what I had said

Plus did you ask him about the constant interuptions by Zoe in his interview on ITT. I doubt even the most patient of souls would have been able to tolerate that.”

I already answered that on another thread.

Yes I did mention that to him. He said he thought it was funny. He commented that patsy used to do that too to anton. He was surprised to learn that people thought he was annoyed by it. He isnt.
IAN AND ZOE GET ON REALLY WELL. THEY DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM IN THEIR RELATIONSHIP AT ALL.
Hope that is clear enough for everyone.
I told him I had pitched in to the discussion to defend them, and will continue to do so.
They are pulling out all the stops for Saturday. They are tired, they admit that but they are still putting in 110% effort.
He says thank you for the support, please keep voting for them.
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