If Kate has half a brain she would stay well away from that slime ball!! cheese puff, Psychotic wanka, pathetic loser!! Even if Alex was the last person on Earth i myself would stay well away from him, he is avoidable at all costs, because he could deprive you of your sanity!
KATE, you can do so much better. Don't do it, stay well back.

I am on the brink of hating Alex, and i keep telling myself "It's only a game show" ! I have to stop watching, there's far worse people out there than the likes of Alex and Jade and Jonny, (Bin Linen comes to mind) but still, I can't stand him!!

I don't doubt that Alex is physically attracted to Kate and visa versa. When your contact is limited to the same group of people for as long as they have people will feel drawn to one another, irrespective of whether they would in everyday life.

I think a lot of people would have liked to see something develop between them, but Kate has a chip on her shoulder, it's called Jonny. I found it embarrasing to watch his antics during the 70's disco. You could see how enveloped in jealousy he was, and the fear that his sidekick may get closer to Alex. When they were slow dancing and Jonny kept banging into them like the ugly kid at a school disco that never gets a dance so he has to spoil the fun for others. He never gave them a minutes peace and I don't blame Alex's frustration turning to anger. This is the not the first time when drinking that he and Kate have got closer, but once again it was Jonny putting a spanner in the works.

Jonny has already told Kate he fancied her, and his reaction to Kate when she rejected his attempts to involve himself in 'hide the van' was to expose himself to her. Very unpleasant behaviour for a 29 year old with a fiance and I don't believe for a minute that these two would be friends outside the house and it's a shame they have built up such a close bond. I would love to see Alex and Kate get it on for no other reason than putting Jonny's nose out of joint.

metafis!

You know I love you dearly ... but WFT are you on about?

Alex does NOT love Kate Men often look at women - they even fantatise about how they would behave if they met the woman of their dreams (and its not always how the smaller brain takes over the bigger brain)

If they weren't stuck in that house Alex wouldn't give Kate the time of day!

LK - wouldn't give any of the h/mat(e)s any time if I met them in RL

I so agree with this comment

What was interesting last night was when Kate tried to get Jonnys blessing on Kate forming a relationship with Alex under the guise of performing some social experiment - in other words - she said - i think alex would like some feminine company - it would make him happy. Jonny said - well if hes happy - i'm happy {????] make a fuss of him then.
But he hasnt left them alone for a second.
What a pathetic heap.

Kate - playing the game - yes I think she fanices Alex - certainly doesnt fancy Jonny but has to keep in with him in case he is more popular.

Either of them can carry her along to second place - or even first.
As long as Alex is there with her thats great with me.

I think Kate just fancies being fancied. Lot of it about

Alex may very well be in love with gorgeous Kate (what man would not be?) but Kate is not remotely interested in him. She knows she can do better than Alex and have her pick of men inside or outside of the BB house!

I am not sure what your point is. I am a Kate fan but Alex actually chose Adele first didn't he?

She has not baked a cake for HER BEST FRIEND Alison because Alison's birthday is in February! She likes Alison even more than Spencer so God knows what Kate would have made for her! And before you mention the task about remembering all the housemates names etc just remember that Kate got mixed up and forgot the names of other Hm's too. Also when Alex tried it later he forgot Sandy and Jonny! I guess in a strange way you actually forget the ones you like most when under pressure!

Kate genuinely likes Jonny and has done from day one. Secondly, he exposed his bum as did Alex to her for a laugh! Thirdly he said he found Kate attractive when they all met for the first time. He would never flirt with ANY of the girls as he is happily engaged as he told everyone right from the start. He sees Kate as a pale imitation or temporary substitute for Alison. He has a laugh with her and that is all. I am not surprised he does not want her to get close to Alex but it is not for the reason you state, rather that he does not want Alex to poison her mind against him for no reason as he did with Adele, Sandy, Tim, Jade. JONNY or KATE TO WIN !!!

The thing is Mel it is your buddy Jonny that has contunually poison HMs against eachother since the show began. You seem to be changing known facts that have been established about Jonny and switching them to Alex. For instance's Jonny's jealousy issues concerning when Kate and Alex dare get close.

could either of your condense that into a couple of sentences?

LK - cant read long long threads !
Well I can . but I can't be arsed

Name ONE Hm that Jonny has turned against Alex? People naturally gravitate towards fun people like Jonny and they just like him more than Alex that's all. Only the boring Hm's have gravitated towards Alex hence the divide of Jonny/Alison/Kate/Pj/Spencer and on the boring side you had Alex/Sandy/Adele/Tim. Simple when you put your mind to it isn't it?

Jonny never allows Kate to be alone with Alex. He physically intervened the other evening when Kate was lying between Alex's legs on the sun-lounger by pretending to fix A's mic and pushing between them. He panics at the idea of Kate going to bed early when Alex is already in the bedroom. Kate relaxes in Alex's company in the brief moments that Jonny is not around and enjoys physical contact with him but when Jonny appears she denies the attraction. Does Alex love Kate? Of course not but he certainly fancies her. Does Alex love Adele? Yes, but I'm not sure he fancies her.

I Think Alex is more upset, because Kate voted for him than anyone else. He knew Jade and Jonny would nominate him anyway, but thought Kate after what she has been told about Jade would vote that way. His attack on Jade saying that they voted the backstabber not the players could be Kate voted the backstabber over me after all the bonding we have done this past week. Alex needs to have a good long look at himself and realise that he has picked the wrong people to have one to ones with. His inability to mix with all kinds of personalities has enabled Adelle, Sandy and Tim to manipulate him. Kate is able to get on with a wide range of different personalities and Alex can't he needs the one to one relationship. I definately think there is a chance for him to have a more genuine relationship with Kate, but as she said he needs to lighten up and also mix with all different personalities. That is why he has found himself more alone this week. Jonny has tried his best to appease Alex and hopefully with the last manipulator gone he will lighten up as underneath Alex is a wonderful sensitive funloving person, because all the poison he spit out at Jade the other night was the thoughts of the three above not his own. He needs someone like Kate so that he can think for himself and be an independant man not a doormat to shallow people.

Alex and Kate both fancy each other to bits but have gone too far in developing other relationships which means they would lose face if they got together.

I would be very careful if I was Kate, in fact I would run a mile if I was her. Because Alex has a terrible cruel streak which he takes out on loved ones. Witness him purposely leaving Kate on the poor side because she will not let herself be controlled by him so Alex will turn nasty. In fact poor Alex better sort this aspect of his personality before he gets involved with anyone or else it will all end up in a destructive relationship.

Jonny did say he fancied Kate -
http://www.channel4.com/apps3/bigbro...y.jsp?id=11530

and he did expose himself to her. Kate fancies Alex, but looks up to Jonny like an older brother. Jonny can't handle this and it's a classic case of 'if I can't have her no one can'. He can't bear to see them together and he's embarrased himself on nation TV by his childish attempts at coming between them.

It is obvious that Kate has strong feelings for Alex, in the early days when Alex chose to ignore her, Kate was reduced to tears. I don't think that there would have been a similar reaction if someone like Sandy or Jade had ignored her. The facts are that she was upset at being disregarded by a man she fancied.

I agree with you on one thing Kate is a pale imitation of Alison. Even Kate couldn't match the falseness and over the top, in your face antics that Alison had. Thank God she's gone.

I actually I think you'll find that Kate cried because she was being ignored, period. Its obvious that she always been a popular girl and she fully expected to get on with everyone regardless of what she might say now, so for Alex to blatantly dismiss her came as rude shock.

I don't buy this secret feelings by Kate for Alex either, she's very much a lad's girl, or a 'geezer-bird' as she's often been called. And Alex has to struggle to show his masculinity something that Kate herself told Jonny, PJ and Tim when they asked her if she fancied him. Her exact words were ' He's a man but he's not man enough for me'.

Says it all really doesn' t it?


the scrutineer

I also think that Kate played an unconsciously large part in the bust-up.
Alex is obviously very frustrated. Kate and Jonny had been in that diary room for ages and this was really bugging Alex. It was brewing inside him. He's frustrated that he cant get closer to Kate.
At the same time Jade was very annoyed by the diary room thing cos she felt left out. This meant that both her and Alex were not in the best of moods.
Kate i believe knows that something could develop between her and Alex but for whatever reason doesnt let it happen. Thats one of the reasons she spends all her time with Jonny who is just a mate.
All this simmering tension meant that when the situation exploded it exploded big style. The house is full of sexual tension and frustration.
I also believe that Jonny has a crush on Kate though he knows not to overstep the mark.

Anyway, thats my theory

An excellent thread.
No doubt in my mind that of all the possible pairings Kate and Alex in the real world would have shown the most promise.
The attempts Jonny has made to come between them have helped to show his true jealous character. It is Jonny, not Alex who fears rejection by Kate which explains his obsessive behaviour. Given the way Alex must have felt when he realised that Kate had voted for him he has controlled it quite well, something Jonny would not have been able to do. However Kate clearly has a gameplan which may just have badly backfired by voting for Alex, she now appears duplicitous and very easily influenced. Alex at least stands his ground. Maybe while Kate really likes Alex, she is bothered by reaction of friends as he is not her usual type. Nevertheless a great pity - they could be the making of each other.

Spencer never liked Jonny or Alison... I think he liked Sandy more... He said on BBLB that the fooling around wasnt fun... that is would have got on his nerves

she appears duplicitious but she has let it be known, several times, that she would never let herself be the lone female in the house - hence not nominating Jade - wouldn't suprise me if Alex realises that as he is (Jonny permiting) as close to her as ever.....with Kate making most of the moves.

(is she scared of Jonny ?)

Thanks - I hadn't picked up the 'last female' bit. You may have a point about Jonny though, does Kate realise full well that she really likes Alex and is worried about perceieved consequences? Her lone, sad face in the bedroom after the nominations were announced could just have been guilt.

I agree with a lot of what you say. But Kate will never warm to a man like Alex. He is too unusual and too interesting and non-stereotypical for her to handle. She's a nice lass but way too conservative, and far too in awe of maleness (blokiness) to like a man who challenges all gender norms.

Good points. I'm not so sure about the not warming, Kate is young and Alex is an experience she doesn't know what to do with..if the circumstances were right - who knows. Certainly agree she is stereotypical - I believe she knows the potential, maybe even knows it would work, but as she doesn't know how to cope takes her perceived 'safest' action and votes him out every time. That on its own supports the theory that he is never far from her mind.