Not true - Andy was my favourite in bootcamp and sang great the first week - he's been up and down vocally during the competition and I felt he didn't always give his best on the live shows- tonight he really pulled it out of the bag and did fantastically well to get as close as he did to winning it considering the bookies had him at 8-1 yesterday. Shayne, I didn't rate at all at the beginning but as the weeks have gone on he's got better and better and I've really warmed to him in the last few weeks - nothing to do with Simon Cowell - and I've never liked JS despite SCs comments about them.

I think Shayne won because he is a better, more versatile singer. Andy can only sing one type of song (although he does it very well).

Meanwhile, on the other channel, Colin Jackson lost to Darren Gough...

Sadly you're right. Much as it would be nice to say that we live in a non-prejudiced society, it just isn't true.

Not to say that's why Andy didn't win tonight, though interesting that a black contestant also lost in the final of SCD over on BBC1

I dont think it comes down to colour at all. I firmly believe when it comes to singing that people do vote with their ears .

As for X Factor I think Brenda should have won , but failing that then I think the public picked the right person in Shane. Andy is good but he will not reach such a big market as Shane will.

Andy will do very well for maybe an older generation , as he performs the traditional older songs very well and I think thats his forte his voice is wonderful in that mode . He would also be good in musical theatre. But I dont think he would do that well in todays pop market , which is where the money is for the record companies.

Andy didn't come second because he is black, he received millions of votes from people of all colours and he was only 1.4% behind Shayne. Shayne just proved to be just a tad more popular. I think being a bit younger and more commercial swung it Shayne's way, plus I reckon 'Over The Rainbow' was the absolute vote clincher for a number of floating voters. It was an amazing performance!

Good luck to Andy in the future. He is sure to be signed by a record company.

I agree, I was happy to see JS or Andy win, but that clinched my vote!


PS, me-male, white, not gay (married+kids) - just thought shayne stole it!

Oh why do you bring this up its who people want to vote for and who they like .......... Not what colour that are or anything realating to that,


Mandy

What's not true? Your view of who was best througout the show? I happen to think the opposite and thought Shayne was overhyped.....but we are getting into peronal views here and off topic.


Interestingly, you mention the bookies odds. Anything to do with influence throughout the show from the comments made by the judges by any chance? And in particular, Mr Simon Cowell?

Look how many blacks have ridden high in the pop charts - loads. Andy lost last night, it was close - he was fantastic (as was Shayne), and it could've gone either way (according to the commentary on the voting). This had nothing to do with race. Talent is talent. A 1.(whatever) percent lead shows that people were voting for their favourites. Andy did really well.

Andy done more than well considering he didn't have the biased support of Simon Cowell behind him.

What a joke. Sorry, i know this is your opinion but that is just rubbish. Tons of black people sell records....

For british you have Ms Dynamite, Beverly Knight, Simon Webb (top ten now), Craig David (mixed race), Jamelia, Lemar....

If you wanna go national you have tons from the states I wont go in to them but they mostly fall in to the RnB/Hip Hop bracket.

If you look at the top 40 now it can look very white, but why does that matter? The in music now is indie/guitar which is a genre not over populated by black people.....Look a few years back when RmB/Hip-Hop/Uk Garrage was all the range the charts were full of black artists...

Don't post something if it is so obviously rubbish, just think.

It depends on how you look at things, doesn't it? I haven't been following the show avidly, but the times I saw it I could see X-Factor written all over Shayne - my opinion - he just stood out as the winner (to me). Not having seen all of Andy's performances until they showed his 'best bits' tonight I couldn't really understand why the competition was so close - and it was. They were both brilliant. I would've thought Cowell might've been more biased towards JS. Maybe not - if you say so.

I don't think colour should or was an issue on this contest.

Well the fact that you haven't been watching the show as much as the rest of us must have a factor in it, wouldn't you agree?

No disrespect to your view on who had best voice etc...just the fact that you would not have heard or seen all of the bias over the whole show.

Not many of them even get on shows like Big Brother - same is true of Northern Irish and Scots. There are other groups we hardly ever see represented either.

If you say so. I watch a talent show on TV on and off (shrugs). You're definitely a much better judge than I am. Pity your fave didn't win. It would've made all those hours seem much more worthwhile. Get over it.

See my edited verion of the post.

Saira was far more talented and should have won it in my opinion. Even though she was subsequently offered a job, she was denied the actual winning and the accolade of that. She was robbed. There was another woman who was also rejected for social reasons who was very talented too. Sugar later apologised to her for firing her. So it goes...

OK JTW, thanks. That's accepted. I still think I have a good point about the mass of black music that is popular in the UK - in relation to the question about sections of society being rode roughshod over. I'd say that the success by black artists/muscicians/singers has been phenominal IF we're supposed to believe that the country is biased towards white people. It might be different on Saturday night TV shows, but if it is it doesn't seem likely. Not with such a small margin - as menshed on the voting commentary.

I agree she was at a disadvantage being a woman and correspondingly, he enjoyed the plus of being male.

I answered you too..as I see others did.



And I also answered twice, that a black person had won a reality show before, yet people still question it. I am saying for one last time on this thread...that Joseph won SDF with a public vote.

Andy was my second favourite...but I am sure he would be insulted if he thought people shoud only vote for him on the colour of his skin. I will also say for one last time, that yes...there are those who vote on colour...bizarrely..but they are not the majority.

I give up on this thread...you answer what others say..yet some people don't listen!

Maybe everyone has me and others on ignore!

Yet, they then say you don't listen to what they are saying!

The world has gone raving mad!

You have a point about the Saturday night gameshow viewers. I for one, stay in every Saturday night specifically for shows like this.

My daughters on the other hand are out clubbing it. My son is too busy gaming it up on his PC. I will also give my mother a phone (a pensioner) and ask what she thought, but we often might disagree.

So who the hell watches and cares enough to vote?

Okay petty!

Primetime TV on Saturday night in the spring/summer on BBC1?

I think that ranks as not a programme shoved under the wire.

Everyone I know watched and voted on it..it was great TV.

I wish I cared enough to vote, I really do. Things haven't been the same since FA-2. I'm a passive viewer these days, but I do like to try to guess.