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X-Factor defeats its own objectives
At the beginning of the series we were told on numerous occasions by the judges that they were looking for an act that was a bit different/outstanding/the x-factor.
Why then were we left with a winner no different than any other teeny artist? I suppose Cowell thought this way he's got an (cough) artist who won't answer back when he's told he has to do numerous cover singles and albums |
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I'm not knocking Shayne.He won.
Looking at the final though two acts who were quite different to the run of the mill chart entrants were there.Good luck to JS and Andy.I really hope we see more of them.
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I bet Simon was sweating when it looked like Andy might win it!
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I agree - Andy should have won - I hope Shayne's single doesn't get to number one, not because I dislike Shayne but because it irritates me the way the judges try to manipulate the public into picking person they want, who is just a clone of all the other male singers out there ...
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I agree with the OP, there is nothing different or particulary amazing about Shayne. But credit where credits due, and I guess he won fair and square.....
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When they played the JS tape looking at their best moments it was SO easy to see who had the real talent during the course of the show. My friend who liked Shayne (but didn't really watch the show) said that she had no idea how good they were and that they were better than Shayne.
We didn't stick around to listen to Andy or Shayne's "singles" because we aren't interested. Even Andy could hold the notes better than Shayne, but I guess Cowell just wants someone who will sell more than 25 albums this year. HERE'S A TIP COWELL - Don't you or Louis have anything to do with them, and they'll do well. |
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After watching Xtra Factor last night I am beginning to think Simon may have learned his lesson.
Although the B sides of That's My Goal will be 2 covers Shayne has already done on the show, I don't think we will see many more covers. The constant throwing out of cover versions has tainted this type of show in UK. Simon needs to maintain his international credibility, and he won't do that if this winner disappears without trace. Shayne desperately needs some original material. Simon mentioned last night that he has had several writers wishing to write for Shayne. I hope Simon uses them. The covers route is the route to nowhere. |
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For all of you slating Simon Cowell, just look at the charts just now, Westlife and Il Divo are two of the top ten selling albums this year and both have had tremendous success around the world. I'm sure he will do a great job with Shayne as it was his idea to do a Justin Timberlake song.
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Distortion
I think that the public votes for these shows give a distorted view of the situation - that is why we had the final 3 acts. Out of the viewers who sent in 10 million votes, a great deal less will go on to buy future product on a regular basis - whoever wins the show. To be caught up with Saturday evening television viewers wanting to take part in the contest is one thing, but getting them to invest when the novelty is over, is very difficult. Yes, Shayne does stand the best chance with the target audience of record buyers - so they are lucky. With the amount of cds etc.. that are required to sell these days, it doesn't seem that Andy or Journey South would have had much chance on the general market place.
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Originally Posted by jimmy7bellies
I bet Simon was sweating when it looked like Andy might win it!
Disgusting abuse of power. |
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Originally Posted by C14E
For all of you slating Simon Cowell, just look at the charts just now, Westlife and Il Divo are two of the top ten selling albums this year and both have had tremendous success around the world. I'm sure he will do a great job with Shayne as it was his idea to do a Justin Timberlake song.
Oh that's original. Can't wait. |
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Originally Posted by GlasgowBhoy
He was bricking himself, hence his "Best of the series" nonsense and his "You have the X Factor" to sway votes Shayne's way.
Disgusting abuse of power. |
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Originally Posted by C14E
For all of you slating Simon Cowell, just look at the charts just now, Westlife and Il Divo are two of the top ten selling albums this year and both have had tremendous success around the world. I'm sure he will do a great job with Shayne as it was his idea to do a Justin Timberlake song.
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Travesty as the only guys with anything different on offer. and the flexibiltiy to actually make a career was JS.......Andy is too out of genre except for a teeny market and Sahyne sounds like every other teenyboppers hero..... yawn....................
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Originally Posted by C14E
For all of you slating Simon Cowell, just look at the charts just now, Westlife and Il Divo are two of the top ten selling albums this year and both have had tremendous success around the world. I'm sure he will do a great job with Shayne as it was his idea to do a Justin Timberlake song.
Junk food sells a ton too, does not make it good just makes the producers very rich peddling commerical tat. |
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Originally Posted by jimmy7bellies
I bet Simon was sweating when it looked like Andy might win it!
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Oh that's original. Can't wait.
Lol Yep so very original
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Go home JS, Simon never was that interested, was he?
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I think that the public votes for these shows give a distorted view of the situation - that is why we had the final 3 acts. Out of the viewers who sent in 10 million votes, a great deal less will go on to buy future product on a regular basis - whoever wins the show. To be caught up with Saturday evening television viewers wanting to take part in the contest is one thing, but getting them to invest when the novelty is over, is very difficult. Yes, Shayne does stand the best chance with the target audience of record buyers - so they are lucky. With the amount of cds etc.. that are required to sell these days, it doesn't seem that Andy or Journey South would have had much chance on the general market place.
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Simon learnt his lesson from LAST year. This year, he knew someone needed to win who could actually sell records. Journey South would have had NO career had they won, because the fact is any album by them would be crap, and not appeal to the teen audience of CD buyers. Andy's album would be great, but again no teen appeal. They are going to push Shayne as some sort of Robbie meets Justin meets Westlife style artist. IF they get it right it will work and they'll end up with record sales.
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I suspect that more people voted for Andy once while Shayne got a lot of multiple votes. Still that's probably a good thing for him, as people who are prepared to put in the time and money to vote several times will probably run straight out and buy the single, whereas the person who voted for Andy as he was the best on the night, will probably not bother ...
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Originally Posted by bob_loblaw
When they played the JS tape looking at their best moments it was SO easy to see who had the real talent during the course of the show. My friend who liked Shayne (but didn't really watch the show) said that she had no idea how good they were and that they were better than Shayne.
I got the impression from very early on in the show that it was being geared towards giving new viewers, those that only tune in because it's a final, a completely different idea of JS, their style and their ability than what had been apparent on most other weeks. |
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Originally Posted by zilch
I think that the public votes for these shows give a distorted view of the situation - that is why we had the final 3 acts. Out of the viewers who sent in 10 million votes, a great deal less will go on to buy future product on a regular basis - whoever wins the show. To be caught up with Saturday evening television viewers wanting to take part in the contest is one thing, but getting them to invest when the novelty is over, is very difficult.
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Originally Posted by zilch
Yes, Shayne does stand the best chance with the target audience of record buyers - so they are lucky. With the amount of cds etc.. that are required to sell these days, it doesn't seem that Andy or Journey South would have had much chance on the general market place.
Andy and JS would be geared more towards being album artists in the long run and marketed towards the audience that buys mainly albums and this is where the bulk of sales are today. |
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Following that logic, McDonald's makes the tastiest,most nourishing food in the world.
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Journey South would have had NO career had they won, because the fact is any album by them would be crap, and not appeal to the teen audience of CD buyers.
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Yep so very original