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What changes would you like to see in BB4, if any?
mromega
20-07-2002
Not sure whether this has already been posted as a thread, i've read through far too many threads already today to go any further back.

Anyway, what changes would you like to see brought in for BB4.

I would structure it like this :-

Monday

10pm Normal Highlights Show (C4)
10:30pm LIVE Nominations and Announcement on Channel 4

Tuesday - Thursday

Weekly team task for the shopping budget. It would either be two days of practice and then do the task on Thursday or an endurance task.

Friday

As is now.

Saturday

10pm Live Luxury task - Either group or individual depending on reward. Housemates could win things like, immunity from nomination for a week, sets of exercise equipment, party etc.

Sunday

As is now

--

Other changes -

Housemates would be allowed to discuss nominations.

E4 feed continues as normal, but 24/7 Live Uncut feed available on PPV for £20 for the series, web feed as now.

BBLB on Wednesday offers up three different tasks to be done on the Saturday that are voted for be the general public (this BBLB is repeated on Wed PM on C4)
Reporter
20-07-2002
I personally feel that openly discussing nominations would lead to too much tactical voting and we'd see the weakest and most boring group reach the final four.
clarribo
20-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by mromega
Not sure whether this has already been posted as a thread, i've read through far too many threads already today to go any further back.

Anyway, what changes would you like to see brought in for BB4.

I would structure it like this :-

Monday

10pm Normal Highlights Show (C4)
10:30pm LIVE Nominations and Announcement on Channel 4

Tuesday - Thursday

Weekly team task for the shopping budget. It would either be two days of practice and then do the task on Thursday or an endurance task.

Friday

As is now.

Saturday

10pm Live Luxury task - Either group or individual depending on reward. Housemates could win things like, immunity from nomination for a week, sets of exercise equipment, party etc.

Sunday

As is now

--

Other changes -

Housemates would be allowed to discuss nominations.

E4 feed continues as normal, but 24/7 Live Uncut feed available on PPV for £20 for the series, web feed as now.

BBLB on Wednesday offers up three different tasks to be done on the Saturday that are voted for be the general public (this BBLB is repeated on Wed PM on C4)
”

I think there should be prizes for 2nd and 3rd place, and they should put the winning prize up to £100k.
Glenghis
20-07-2002
I do think they should increase the prize - to maybe a quarter of a million. On voting alone during the four-way week, Endemol pulled in over a million squids. And then there's the advertising, the spin offs, the sponsorship.

I don't think they should allow discussion of nominations. Half the fun is watching housemates trying to break that rule.

I definitely think that they should consider the age of the contestants more carefully. They may not find the contestants so amenable to manipulation if they are a bit older, but with a higher prize, less of them would walk. I think the majority of the contestants should be in the age range 25 - 32. This would give an edgier feeling to the programme, as BB itself would be less certain of not engendering revolt, and we'd also get more interesting discussions. Plus more subtle machiavellianisms.
chrissie
20-07-2002
I agree with you reporter

More money for the winner
2nd and 3rd prizes

I agree with Mr Omega about:

open nominations - they all know what each other is doing now by little signs and touching the wooden box by the o/s shower and 'forgetting' to switch on their mikes - we would get to know the HMs better and see their reasonings.

immunity - good idea to come out of 'survivor' - this would mean they would put more effort into the tasks - but they would have to be tasks which were easy to judge who was the winner - arty things are so subjective - unless arty tasks were put to a vote.

personally because i havent got digital - i watch on the internet - i would like more coverage on channel 4.

I think a surprise eviction by the public is a good idea but not necessarily in the first week - need time to get to know them.
On the other hand - first impressions and all that - perhaps they should do it on the second day ?

I'll have a bit of a think on this - good idea for a thread
CPA
20-07-2002
I also think the minimum age should be 21 going up to 45 to give a much more varied look and topics for them to talk about.

I also would like all the contestants not to have been extra's in films or used on posters. The most they should have done is appear in school plays.

Next years contestants are going to be more aware of live feeds etc, which even Jonny isnt aware of. he thinks its 2 - 4 hours behind, so the acting could be more intense than this years.

The lawyers should get more sorted out as well so they are not liable for anything the houemates say so we dont see the chicken cam so much. I respect the fact of peoples privacy, but going to chicken cam because someone diss's a certain product annoys me. Even if they make it an hour or 2 behind and have to put bleeps in surely that would be better?
andrewd_1984
20-07-2002
I don't think your comment is fair that ppl who have done TV work should not be allowed to do it. I've done TV, not purely extra work either, more than any of the housemates in any Big Brother UK did before they went into the house, but don't feel that when I apply next year I should be rejected on the grounds that I've done TV.

What's your reasoning for thinking that ppl who have done TV should be banned?

Andrew
mromega
20-07-2002
Oh, I would also ditch Chicken Cam and replace it with Fish Cam, much more interesting.
Reporter
20-07-2002
Welp, I'd like to see Ch4, the BB producers, the media and the viewers realise that everyone is a complex being (yes, even Jade) with many facets, flaws and strengths. I'd like to see the aforementioned treat each housemate as such instead of painting their caricatures and stereotypes and presenting each individual to fit their predetermined label.
Reporter
20-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by Reporter
Welp, I'd like to see Ch4, the BB producers, the media and the viewers realise that everyone is a complex being (yes, even Jade) with many facets, flaws and strengths. I'd like to see the aforementioned treat each housemate as such instead of painting their caricatures and stereotypes and presenting each individual to fit their predetermined label. ”

and.... employ me as part of the production team
johnno
20-07-2002
http://forum.digitalspy.co.uk/board/...&highlight=BB4

good discussion on same topic
muppetcentral
20-07-2002
at least. and no censorship of any kind. anything goes. sod legal reasons - who has been slandered/libelled the most in this series? its ok for the tabloids to indulge, but they cant be shown talking about guns...?

so devise a format that is part fear-factor, part generation game, part survivor, part temptation island, part circus freakshow, part running man, part lord of the flies. you get the picture...

they are now too comfortable, too inured to it all. if they made them eat say 4 cow brains, or stick their heads in a jar of scorpions just to stay in the house on eviction night, that might sort out the wannaBBs from the wannagohomes.

that should keep the punters hooked, and cleanse tv schedules of the other realityshow detritus.
gabber
20-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by CPA
I also think the minimum age should be 21 going up to 45 to give a much more varied look and topics for them to talk about.
”

whilst I agree with you that a greater age range amongst players would be better I am not into the idea of setting limits! Of course 18 would be a lower limit for legal reasons but why noone over 45? Can't imagine there would be many older takers but if someone wanted to apply why not?
CPA
20-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by andrewd_1984
I don't think your comment is fair that ppl who have done TV work should not be allowed to do it. I've done TV, not purely extra work either, more than any of the housemates in any Big Brother UK did before they went into the house, but don't feel that when I apply next year I should be rejected on the grounds that I've done TV.

What's your reasoning for thinking that ppl who have done TV should be banned?

Andrew
”


My reason is because I want to watch people who are true to themselves and to us the public watching and voting for them.
I don't like the idea of being " duped" by an actor into thinking that he/she is a nice, honest, or funny person because that's what they want me to see.
Then IF I were to find out that this person was acting to their full and I had voted to keep them in the house. It spoils the game for me.
So if you do apply and are accepted, just keep that in mind. Whatever a person does is not an issue ..... its how they behave.
also getting drunk and stripping off to create entertainment just shows a lack of imagination.
Impress me and I'll vote for you .
CPA
20-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by gabber


whilst I agree with you that a greater age range amongst players would be better I am not into the idea of setting limits! Of course 18 would be a lower limit for legal reasons but why noone over 45? Can't imagine there would be many older takers but if someone wanted to apply why not?
”


Valid point.. But I'm just going on how I feel if I was to enter the BB house. ( God Forbid )
I'm 40 and quite honestly think there would be a large age gap in opinions between myself and someone of 21. I'm young in my out look and even look a lot younger than i am, but ...........how can i put this? ................
I think anyone older would be voted out straight away by the younger lot cos they would feel intimidated by someone who was their parents age !! That make sense? ..... I'd be quite happy to join in the games and probably instigate a lot of them but think they younger ones would want me tucked up in bed by 10 with cocoa
fruitbat
20-07-2002
Lots of great points on thread - hope BB/Endemol read it.

Particularly, like:

- idea of more prize money - stop people walking.

- immunity - ensure people try harder for tasks

- better age range - would create a divide (without needing a physical one as per this year). Not just one or two older people but a proper spread between, say, 20 and 40.

- employ some people from this forum to help on the production side (or some fans) so they know what people want

- ditch the chicken cam and replace it with funny BB moments

- don't think there should be open nominations - would be too clear cut who is going/staying - as happened on Survivor this year

- need a more varied spread of tasks - some funny ones like watching them trying to make noodles (a la Generation Game) and some more serious, lengthy ones (3 minute talk on a certain topic - we might then get to see the real people and their own thoughts). Like the idea of public voting for task (good for BB/En too as they would make more money)

- think C4 should extend their coverage, am sure people would watch - would definitely like a longer programme for eviction night. If it was an hour long -could talk to HMs more and perhaps could have public phoning in with questions

Reporter, would love your post to become true but as we are not in the "ideal" world, don't suppose it will.

gmguru
20-07-2002
Quote:
“ditch the chicken cam and replace it with funny BB moments”

Nope, ditch it & replace with a live shot of a producer apologising for the cut, & explaining why. Lets see how soon they would get sick of it.
astro
20-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by CPA



Valid point.. But I'm just going on how I feel if I was to enter the BB house. ( God Forbid )
I'm 40 and quite honestly think there would be a large age gap in opinions between myself and someone of 21. I'm young in my out look and even look a lot younger than i am, but ...........how can i put this? ................
I think anyone older would be voted out straight away by the younger lot cos they would feel intimidated by someone who was their parents age !! That make sense? ..... I'd be quite happy to join in the games and probably instigate a lot of them but think they younger ones would want me tucked up in bed by 10 with cocoa
”

I too like the idea of a wider age range. If the age was varied enough the oldies would not necessarily be voted out by the youngsters, in fact the reverse could happen. So let's have a less ageist BB4
Drifting
20-07-2002
I have been reading the American BB website and they seem to have better tasks than ours. One guy has the option of having to save one of the Housemates from possible eviction and Housemates ages are more varied.

As for the ages, maybe we should have two big brothers, one show for those under 27 to 18 years for those who like the 18-30 type programme. Another show for the 27+ years. Or perhaps have more people in the show to have a more wider range of ages and vote 2 people off every week instead of 1. You could have an eviction on a Tuesday night and another one on the Friday night.
gmguru
20-07-2002
Housemates are not allowed to discuss nominations.

Halfway through, BB plays a video of all the Hms worst back stabbing moments. The video is edited to put each housemate is the worst possible light. I would show PJ & jade, follow the van. It would quote HMs out of context. The sole aim of the video is to start a war.

Lock all the HMs in the rich bedroom, light blue touchpaper & stand back.
curtaintwitcher
20-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by gabber


whilst I agree with you that a greater age range amongst players would be better I am not into the idea of setting limits! Of course 18 would be a lower limit for legal reasons but why noone over 45? Can't imagine there would be many older takers but if someone wanted to apply why not?
”

I agree. As long as the HMs werent too heavily weighted in any particular age range, it would be quite interesting to see people of 60+ interacting with 21 year olds and in between. It would be interesting to see how the house dynamics evolved, whether there would be a hierarchy based on age or ability and whether it would be an organised type of household. The young and old might learn something from each other at the same time.
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