Can someone help me out here:

Several people have said that Colin would have won if he had come first with the judges, but I don't understand how that would have worked (especially as if would have allowed the possibilty of a couple making it to the final two and losing despite being the most popular with the public, which is a bit daft).

Can anyone enlighten me?

Isn't the winner chosen based ONLY on the voting by the viewers

That is what I think too - I think the judges have a say in who makes it into the final two, but after that their ability to affect the result is revoked (and any points differences between the two finalists cease to exist).

Noooo - 50% judges 50% audience!

Nat
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How so

But would they really allow for a situation where a couple gets 3 points from the judges and 2 points (or even 3 points) from the public before going into the final dance off which they cannot lose?

What is the point of a final dance off that one couple cannot win?

Basically; I'm an engineer, not a mathematician, if the marks from the judges had gone as follows:

Colin & Erin = 3
Zoe & Ian = 2
DArren & Lilia = 1

and the public vote had not changed, i.e.:

Darren & Lilia = 3
Colin & Erin = 2
Zoe & Ian = 1

Their total scores would have been:

Colin & Erin = 5
Darren & Lilia = 4
Zoe & Ian = 4

Therefore, Zoe & Ian would have been eliminated, but Colin would still have been in first place.

After this, if they do actually award further points on the basis of the public vote added to their scores from the first two dances & assuming Zoe & Ian's fans had boosted Colin & Erin's public votes, we could have had:

Colin & Erin = 5 + 2 (second round of public votes higher than Darren & Lilia's) = 7
Darren & Lilia = 4 + 1 (second round of public votes lower than Colin & Erin's) = 5

Result = Colin wins, because Darren & Lilia cannot match thier overall score of 7 points.

If the share of the public vote stays the same, i.e.:

Colin & Erin = 5 + 1 (second round of public votes lower than Darren & Lilia's) = 6
Darren & Lilia = 4 + 6 (second round of public votes lhigher than Colin & Erin's) = 6

Then, due to the public vote score being the deciding factor in a draw, Darren & Lilia would still have won.

There's a lot of what ifs in this scenario, but it does seem to be the only way Colin winning could come about.

Yes, but people seem to be implying that Colin could win without winning the public vote?

No, there was no way, that I can see, that Colin could have won without a shift in the public voting pattern in the dance off.

If u come 1st with the judges u get 3 points, second 2pts and third 1pt, same goes with the audience vote, and then they add the votes together!!

Have u never watched SCD before????

Nat
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Sorry, I forgot to add "if he came first with the judges".

My point is that I can't see the point of the mini showdance competition if one couple has already won SCD after their first two dances (if it works that way)

Just because people have voted for a couple in the previous dances, doesn't mean that they wont shift allegiance to another, during teh dance off, thus the fact that the voting lines for the remaining couples are re-opened.

Yes he could have!

Like the judges points - the public votes are reduced to 3 points for the most votes down to 1 for the least.

What obviously happened last night was the following

Judges Public Total
Zoe 3 + 1 = 4
Colin 2 + 2 = 4
Darren 1 + 3 = 4
(sorry the table didn't work)
a 3 way tie, but as Zoe had the lowest public vote and therefore only 1 point, she was out.

On the same basis - the fact that Darren had 3 from the public vote meant that Colin had to overtake him with the publlic vote once Zoe had gone. But essentially - Darren had won at that stage. There was no second public vote - the later votes were just added to the totals at the time Zoe was eliminated.

However if Colin had been top (or even equal top) with the judges, he would have had 3 + 2 = 5 against Darren's 1 + 3 = 4 and so would have been the winner.

In the case where Colin was top or equal top - Zoe would still have gone out as her scores would have been either

2 + 1 =3 or 3 +1 = 4 - and set against the more popular Darren - she would have been third and eliminated either way.

So the judges scores decided the outcome - by making Zoe their outright winner - they ensured Colin was going to be the runner up

I'm confused.

Zoe 3 points from judges
Colin 2
Darren 1

If we assume Zoe was bottom with public she has 1 point
Darren was top in order to not go out, ie 3 points
therefore colin 2 points.

Totals
Zoe 4
Colin 4
Darren 4.

ie a tie, so public vote counts

Zoe goes out because she has the lowest public vote, but how come colin went thru first if he didn't have top public vote?

For colin to go thru he must have got 3 from public, total 5, so Darren 2, but then total of 3, so he would go out, so it doesn't work??????

What have i missed????????

what are people on about??

that voting system is only used to decide who gets eliminated in third. once we have a top 2 it comes down to public votes alone. AS IF the BBC would ever use a system that meant the public favourite could fail to win.

Right, so Darren would have been 2nd if Colin had come first (with the judges), despite winning the public vote? I don't think that would be allowed, which is why I started the thread...

Going to love watching ITT on Monday just to hear the judges comments

"So the judges scores decided the outcome - by making Zoe their outright winner - they ensured Colin was going to be the runner up"

More specifically, Bruno did. The other 3 had Zoe and Colin equal across the two dances. Bruno's extra point for Zoe clinched it.

With Zoe and Colin equal in top place, Zoe would still have gone out with 3+1 =4, But Colin would have out-scored Darren with 3 +2 = 5.

oh dear lord i may have to shoot myself

what is up with you people??

once we have the top 2 the whole judges/public voting system is scrapped and the winner is decided on total public votes alone. If the judges had put Colin & Erin top this would not have lead to them winning!

That is what I think too, Saturn - hence my bafflement at some people here.

Don't be patronising

I'm sure the fact that there's currently an active debate on the subject shows that it's not clear cut

4 judges, 3 couples, 2 dances

Each couples is marked out of 40 per dance (max 10 for each judge). Results are added together for both dances giving a total out of 80. Highest score gets 3 points, seconds gets 2 points and bottom gets one point.

Public then vote - couples with most public votes gets 3 then 2 etc

Points are then added together (max 6, minimum 2) to reveal who came third, then second then first.

Easy-peasy really.

But what happens after that - do the second and first couple retain their placing or do they decide the result solely on the basis of the viewer vote?

(I don't think they retain their placing because it allows for a situation where the couple with the highest number of viewer votes loses, but can anyone confirm that?)

Zoe left. The public votes that went before stood as did the points from the judges.

Before the public:

Zoe - 3
Colin - 2
Darren - 1

Votes frozen and Zoe left

Zoe - 3+1
Colin - 2+2
Darren - 1+3

In the result of a tie in points, the points awarded by the public vote decided who came third which was Zoe.

Public votes started again

Colin - 2
Darren - 1

Votes closed

Darren - 1+2
Colin - 2+1

In the result of a tie in points, the points awarded by the public vote decided who came first which was Darren

erm...im really very confused to what everyone else is confused about...

Im sure that once zoe and ian went out the winner was now nothing to do with the judges, and was in fact just to do with the public vote!

once zoe had gone, it was just whoever polled the highest total of public votes would win, although i think that includes all the votes that night and not just once the lines re-opened.

Darren and lilia were obviously the publics favourites, they never got into the bottom 2 once, and they had to have got 3 to get into the final two.

and like someone else said, colin would have had to overtake darren first by catching up to his continually increasing score...

Im sure im still confusing, but i know what i mean - THE PUBLIC VOTE ALONE SECURED DARREN AND LILIA TOP PLACE!