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Old 18-12-2005, 17:04
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Does Shayne need to resort to his falsetto voice when he already has such a good vocal range? Does anyone like his falsetto voice? After all it didn't do Barry Gibb any harm!

Falsetto used to be called "false voice" and is a special technique used for people who aren't able to reach the high notes. As far as I can tell though Shayne CAN. It's done using the breath only and doesn't come from the chest. Apparently it comes from the days when women weren't allowed to sing in church and they used castrated males instead
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Old 18-12-2005, 17:06
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The Bee Gees ONLY sang falsetto and nothing else, though!
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Old 18-12-2005, 17:19
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Originally Posted by cute chick
The Bee Gees ONLY sang falsetto and nothing else, though!
are you sure
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Old 18-12-2005, 17:24
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I think Shayne has a bloody good range without it. (A damn sight better than mine )

Falsetto is however, very popular at the moment and a lot of popular tunes have a bit in it.

"Your Beautiful" by James Blunt

Is just one of many examples.

I can sing low to medium and then I can do some Falsetto but it is bloody hard switching between the two in a fast and nice way like Shayne does.

It therefore nicely shows off what he can do.
...which in a singing competition (used very lightly where X factor is concerned) is what you should be doing.

There are some songs (Justin Trousersnake) where it is VERY overused and ends up just sounding like a silly little boy who's balls haven't droped!

*Bigus lines up for the Justin fans war!
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Old 18-12-2005, 17:28
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Originally Posted by Bigus_Dikus
There are some songs (Justin Trousersnake) where it is VERY overused and ends up just sounding like a silly little boy who's balls haven't droped!

*Bigus lines up for the Justin fans war!

has shayne's?
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Old 18-12-2005, 17:29
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Originally Posted by thms
are you sure
No, they actually didn't sing as high as people seem to think.

With the Bee Gees, it was more a tonal style that made them sound "weaker" and therefore higher than they actually were singing.

IE basically they sung with no bass content to the note, so it natually sounded higher.

They did however inject the odd very high falsetto note for good measure.

Try that at home: Sing LIKE the Bee Gees in style and note very high and you will be suprised that you sound exaclty like them.

Use only throat and head singing, no chest or lower.
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Old 18-12-2005, 17:30
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Originally Posted by thms
has shayne's?
I'll give you Ģ5,000,000 if you can fix it from me to check!
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Old 18-12-2005, 17:30
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It was the falsetto bit that always put me off Shayne until I heard SOTR last night. Wow what a vocal range and also a very strong voice which at 21 can only get better.

I think with the right songs he could be as successful as Will although I have my doubts. Will is a very intelligent savey guy and refused to tow the BMG line, not sure Shayne will be able to do that
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Old 18-12-2005, 17:35
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Originally Posted by Bigus_Dikus
No, they actually didn't sing as high as people seem to think.

With the Bee Gees, it was more a tonal style that made them sound "weaker" and therefore higher than they actually were singing.

IE basically they sung with no bass content to the note, so it natually sounded higher.

They did however inject the odd very high falsetto note for good measure.

Try that at home: Sing LIKE the Bee Gees in style and note very high and you will be suprised that you sound exaclty like them.

Use only throat and head singing, no chest or lower.
isn't that what shayne does?
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Old 18-12-2005, 17:37
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As a fan of the '4 seasons' I have never liked falsetto.

Shayne is fortunate that he can do it, but doesn't need to do it. He has a good range IMO.
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Old 18-12-2005, 18:06
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Originally Posted by thms
has shayne's?
According to Sharon they have!
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Old 18-12-2005, 18:08
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Originally Posted by cute chick
The Bee Gees ONLY sang falsetto and nothing else, though!
Rubbish....
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Old 18-12-2005, 18:41
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Personally, it was beginning to get on my nerves. It was getting to the point that the only way he could sing a song was by sticking alittle bit of that in. Thank goodness he just left his last song normal. Clever but too much can be grating.
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Old 18-12-2005, 20:10
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Originally Posted by cute chick
The Bee Gees ONLY sang falsetto and nothing else, though!
None of their recordings pre-Saturday Night Fever used falsetto.
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Old 18-12-2005, 20:12
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Originally Posted by cute chick
The Bee Gees ONLY sang falsetto and nothing else, though!
The Bee Gees only started singing falsetto on the "SNF" soundtrack and then only at the suggestion of their producer. They had not used to the technique before and have often not used it since.


To answer the question, range and register are things that many people mix up. Shayne has a fairly large vocal register (i.e. notes that he can reach/octaves that he can cover) but he doesn't have a big vocal range (i.e. he is limited in the number of musical styles he can perform and makes everything he does sound poppish).
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Old 18-12-2005, 20:13
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Don't like Shayne's voice at all. Not to my taste.
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Old 18-12-2005, 20:15
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Originally Posted by britchick_99702
Personally, it was beginning to get on my nerves. It was getting to the point that the only way he could sing a song was by sticking alittle bit of that in. Thank goodness he just left his last song normal. Clever but too much can be grating.
Yeah it was beginning to be too much, but it must have been a difficult balance. They aren't given a different singing style to test them each week like Pop Idol, so they either plod with safe, ballads or take risks. Shayne certainly did with his falsetto The Darkness. I think I'm right in saying that Shayne was one of the few contestant to try out different style and it not result in them being in the bottom two, which happened with Phillip, Maria, Chico and Andy.
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Old 18-12-2005, 22:34
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Originally Posted by LindyLupin
I think I'm right in saying that Shayne was one of the few contestant to try out different style and it not result in them being in the bottom two, which happened with Phillip, Maria, Chico and Andy.
Andy was never in the bottom two.

Andy, Shayne, JS and Brenda were the only acts never to be in the bottom two.
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Old 18-12-2005, 23:56
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Originally Posted by Candy Store
Andy was never in the bottom two.

Andy, Shayne, JS and Brenda were the only acts never to be in the bottom two.
My mistake CS. Now I come to think of it, I'm remembering his relief that he *didn't* get in the bottom two. Nevertheless, his comments weren't favourable during his attempt at changing his style to a more upbeat song when he did Phil Collins.
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Old 19-12-2005, 01:50
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When Shayne's chookies drop he's finished as a singer.
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Old 19-12-2005, 02:38
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Originally Posted by thms
isn't that what shayne does?
A different sound style to the Bee Gees, but I or he shouldn't complain about using the same techniques of 1000's of people before him.

Shayne didn't invent singing!

Shayne will never be an opera singer or a west end show singer. - But then, they will never be popstars!

Two entirely different singing tachniques.

Christ! if pop was meant to done by trained opereta/show singers, then all the chart would sound as bad a G4 murdering pop tunes that they do just to be comercial!

Stick to your own camp: Or you will be as laughable as G4!
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Old 19-12-2005, 02:53
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When Shayne first started out on this show I thought he had a lovely quality to his voice but for me they overdid the falsetto and he lost me. It got to the point where I would be wishing "please just sing it, no falsetto".

Falsetto, imo, has itīs place when it creates a mood/sensation or hits an emotion (someone mentioned James Blunt and Iīd say thatīs an example of where falsetto is used effectively and adds to the feelings the song wants to evoke). To randomly sing falsetto is annoying and grating. That they clutched at his ability to sing falsetto and turned it into his little gimmick will be his undoing.

He had a nice enough voice and very marketable looks, they didnīt need to toss that into every bloody song.
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Old 19-12-2005, 03:06
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Originally Posted by marbri
When Shayne first started out on this show I thought he had a lovely quality to his voice but for me they overdid the falsetto and he lost me. It got to the point where I would be wishing "please just sing it, no falsetto".

Falsetto, imo, has itīs place when it creates a mood/sensation or hits an emotion (someone mentioned James Blunt and Iīd say thatīs an example of where falsetto is used effectively and adds to the feelings the song wants to evoke). To randomly sing falsetto is annoying and grating. That they clutched at his ability to sing falsetto and turned it into his little gimmick will be his undoing.

He had a nice enough voice and very marketable looks, they didnīt need to toss that into every bloody song.
Yes, I mentioned James Blunt...

Question:
Did Shayne use of falsetto not create mood/sensation/emotion at all the right times when singing "Somewhere over the rainbow"?

To a great number of posters on here (and certainly not all Shayne supporters) Shayne use multiple vocal techniques, including falsetto to deliver the full emotion of the song.

And according to the very same people: Boy did he do it!

Would you prefer him to sing the entire song "flat", "dry" like I could probably do it?

Or delivered by Shayne: a Talented singer who delivered the song way above the best that was expected.

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Old 19-12-2005, 03:37
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Originally Posted by marbri
When Shayne first started out on this show I thought he had a lovely quality to his voice but for me they overdid the falsetto and he lost me. It got to the point where I would be wishing "please just sing it, no falsetto".

Falsetto, imo, has itīs place when it creates a mood/sensation or hits an emotion (someone mentioned James Blunt and Iīd say thatīs an example of where falsetto is used effectively and adds to the feelings the song wants to evoke). To randomly sing falsetto is annoying and grating. That they clutched at his ability to sing falsetto and turned it into his little gimmick will be his undoing.

He had a nice enough voice and very marketable looks, they didnīt need to toss that into every bloody song.

is it possible the introduction of the falsetto could have
been little tasters of what was to come in the final??
shayne's re-creation of sam harris's version of 'over the rainbow'?
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Old 19-12-2005, 11:38
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Shayne needs to get the money rolling in while he can - once his voice breaks, he'll look & sound like any other ordinary guy. Seriously though, the falsetto does make his voice unusual in today's market (although Jonathan from G4 would give him a run for his money), though I still think how well he sounded was partly because of the songs he sang. If Louis & Co over-play the falsetto hand, people will get very fed up with him very quickly, & without the falsetto I don't think there's a lot there.
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