Given the change in the law a few days ago they will be allowed to adopt children if they so wish to. Good luck to them if that is the avenue that they wish to pursue.

Should the same rule apply to heterosexual couples who have unsuccessfully tried to have their own child?

Good luck to John Barrowman and his partner, people shouldn't impose their own views onto how others want to live their life.

Does that apply to the countless number of heterosexual couples unable to have children natuarally? Or just "the Gays"

really must learn to type faster.

At the end of the day it is all down to having the choice to do that if same sex couples want to have a civil partnership or adopt children. In the latter case I would rather see a child adopted into a loving home, irrespective of whether they are gay or not, than see them remain in care.

Couldn't have put it better myself, BG!
Last edited by DenWatts : 02-01-2006 at 13:01

Echoing other posters with my own two-penneth...
I can't abide the idea that handsome gay men are somehow a waste...NOOOO! I can't stand portrayals of gay men as an amusing asexual adjunct (wow! alliteration!) to womenkind or that it'd somehow be better if they remained gay....but shagged women. One of the things I love about Capt Jack is the distinct improvement on the typical portrayal of gay/bi men on TV as the bloke who serves as the main straight female character's prop.
How is a talented, warm, funny person ever a waste? Although I don't know him he comes across as a lovely chap, and would make a lovely Dad. Good luck to him and his partner.

There is so much hate in the world today my attitude is live and let live.

Read my post I said same sex couples. Wether they are either male only or female only couples, they cannot naturally conceive within their relationship so do not have the right to have children.

I would also like to see children placed in loving and caring homes, the fact is all the children that I have worked with who are in a single sex family have huge emotional and identity problems.

I am not disputing that has been your experience of this but equally I know of several children of various ages who have been brought up by same sex couples and believe me they are the least damaged people I know. Quite the contrary. They are the most grounded and well adjusted kids and have been taught not to hate or fear what is perhaps not conventional or the "norm" as some would put it. I hasten to add that none of the children are gay either or are encouraged to follow that path...if anything they are encouraged to be themselves, whether that is gay, straight, bi, whatever. It is down to how kids are raised that surely depends on whether they have emotional or identity problems.

Anyway we are straying way off topic here so apologies to anyone wishing to talk about Who or Capt Jack.

You're assuming that people 'choose' to be gay?

The article implies no coercion on the part of Barrowman or his partner - it simply states that they are considering the possibility after a friend offered to bear a child for them.

My word, are people still insisting that gay people choose their sexuality rather than are born like it? It's these people who aren't fit to be parents if that's their opinion. When you consider all those 'Little Angels' & 'Teen Angels' programmes, whenever have they had to go to a same-sex partnership to sort out a child's problems?

Of course they do. There is no credible research that shows that sexuality is determined by genetics. I went to uni with several girls who where in their words 'lesbians' who are now miraculously straight and married to men.

You see - that's the problem with assumptions.
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They can have children, they just choose not to (in most cases). However if a gay man wanted kids of his own, he could easily have them.

And many straight couples cannot naturally conceive within their relationship.
On another level, no one has the "right" to have children.
Anyway, this is supposed to be a Sci-Fi forum, not an outlet for the homophobic ramblings of Daily Mail reading LBC listeners. if indeed there are any on this site. Wouldn't want to assume anything.

Erm define credible...?? or do you just mean studies that you agree with?

There is plentys of research on the nature of homosexuality, including within the animal kingdom where it is rife amongs all species. (10% of all rams are gay!!)

I really can't believe people still have views like this.. remind me what year is this?
Homophobis is soo last century

It is supposed to be 2006 but you wouldn't think so sometimes by the comments you read. Couldn't agree with you more that homophobia is sooooooo last century.

They didn't want to hurt your feelings methinks.

PMSL

Yes, no offence gornall, but they were only lesbians when you asked them out. After you lost interest, as if by magic, they were cured.

Blimey!

Does anyone read the Forgers' Gazette (sorry, Daily Mail)

Yeah. I choos men I rather than women! I think it because I'm gay. (Only the ones I actually fancy, I like - I'm
no
Capt Jack! (well...not anymore!))

These transforming lesbians: They didn't just have Garibaldi and a nice cup of tea like Sonia in Eastenders did they?

Its amazing what nice cup of tea can do!

My experinec is more of women who have later come out as being gay, not being gay and then find they're straight.

Its a complex subject! Unless you are Capt Jack and his deliberately oiled leathers! (I used to do that - 'it could work: it's
a good plan.

Actually I was already married.