Good - I'm glad to hear it!

Think it is an interesting concept and would certainly put a spin on the CyberController who we have seen in previous Cybermen stories..if the human race, which does consist of women, get turned into Cybermen then there is no reason why their leader couldn't be a woman. I am certainly intrigued by the notion...

Well sort of.
I was just saying that a puzzle can't be a puzzle if you are given the answer.

Torchwood can't be this year's Bad Wolf, because Bad Wolf was a puzzle.
Unless of course it really did go tits over arse and it all got let out of the bag prematurely.
There's even a page on the BBC website explaining what Torchwood actually is.

I would think that RTD wanted to create the same buzz that 'Bad Wolf' did.
So any buzzword...has to live up to it's name and create a.....'buzz'.

RTD knew that everybody was trying to work out the meaning of 'Bad Wolf' and if he wanted to inject that same mystery in this show with people trying to speculate and work out the mystery of the puzzle, I doubt that he would allow things to be so blindlingly obvious.

RTD loved the game, and even had little things scattered all over the web to keep things buzzing.

Yes obviously Torchwood is one thing to look forward to and see how the organisation is involved in this new series,...but I don't think it's going to be the direct equivalent of the purpose that Bad Wolf fulfilled.

So I would think that something else is going to be the mystery puzzle...regardless of Torchwood.

Couldn't agree with you more. Think I said in an earlier post that Torchwood is going to feature heavily throughout series two to grab the viewers interest when the spin off starts but that as you say that is not much of a puzzle and RTD is bound to have something more up his sleeve to whip us up into the same frenzy as Bad Wold did.

I honestly don't know why anybody is bothering to contest this - it was always said by RTD that the keyword for series two would be an anagram - of Doctor Who. It was also said that it would be TORCHWOOD. I can understand people thinking it might be too easy - but we don't know how this word will fit in with the new series as yet.

I can guarantee that it won't be worth as much speculation as 'Bad Wolf' for the last series.

I think people are reading too much into it.

And this is me saying that.

...and me agreeing!

So these new Cybermen have nothing to do with the planet Mondas then?

I really don't know that much about them.

Were there female Cybermen in the original series? I can't remember them being. So would it make sense for them to have some sort of Queen to somehow breed from cloning (Or whatever)?
Or did the Cybermen just scavenge humanoid bodies from other alien races just like The Borg.

I obviously haven't a clue what I'm talking about..I'm just picking people on here's brains to find out what people do know, what is possible or plausible, and what could have been left out of the original series that can be neatly slotted in?

I don't know to be honest AM. Just heard the same rumours as everyone else has regarding their return.

There hasn't been any female Cybermen in the series as far as I know...well none that have been identified as once being female before they were turned into one of the Cyber race. So all is possible as the Cybermen are going to use anyone they can to add to their dying race...

Spoilered... just in case!

Ok about the Torchwood thing (am gonna spoiler this just in case)



So we know all that.. so where is the mystery... i think the story arc is that there isn't one

I can't believe I'm going to post this but here goes...

Don't you think there's been a lot of grief in the new Doctor Who episodes? Wouldn't you go so far as to say they've been 'all griefy'?

In which case, the arc word could be... GALLIFREY

Hey, at least I'm thinking!

Doesn't Tracy-Ann Oberman play

Yes, that's who she said she would be playing in the interview I saw her in.

Something I just thought about is the fact that is apparently coming back in one of the episodes.

Now something I remember very clearly about her in
She is by admission of her own prejudices, the exact opposite of what Cybermen stand for. She is directly against what the Cybermen believe in. The direct antithesis of them. They would be her natural enemy whom she would hate with a passion.

Was that series one's earliest direct reference to the Cybermen? I think it was.

So this is where a big plot twist could take place in series 2.
was The Doctor's enemy in series one.
Which could lead to 2 possible things occuring. She and The Doctor would share a common enemy. Would they team up together against The Cybermen?
Or would The Doctor end up killing her in an early episode, and later find out that when he faces The Cybermen that he had then made a catastrophic error of judgement in losing a potential key ally, and possibly his best chance of defeating The Cybermen?
Maybe this is a point in the series where the Doctor's actions turn out in hindsight to be a catastrophic error in judgement. A mistake to end all mistakes.

If his quote in "The Christmas Invasion" had any significance at all;....."No second chances", then this could be a chance that he had, but then lost.

If the series has a story arc, then it's entirely plausible that a situation such as that may arise if he is to face both and the Cybermen in the same series.

Considering what The Cybermen are, and intend to do...some might go as far to say that is justified in her views in this instance,...and could actually be seen as a hero who is fighting for the survival of the human species. It was easy to judge her harshly in the last series, but this series is bound to put things into a deeper context, and we may see why she was the way that she was in series one.
That is indeed if RTD intends to introduce some ambiguity into this series, in the same way he did last time.


(I wasn't sure if the spoilers were necessary or not, so I put them in spoilers just in case)
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I still think it's

Perhaps events in the first episode New Earth, which appears in, are tied up with eps 5 & 6?

okay maybe the new mystery is who is the guy, who founded torchwood

Errrr.... The Doctor Dances?

"Everybody lives, Rose! Just this once. Everybody lives."

Not exactly 'griefy'

If Harriet Jones does feature in Torchwood, perhaps Capt Jack gets involved when he learns of her recent encounter with The Doctor in The Christmas Invasion?

There is a lot of debate on whether Torchwood or Darkness is the keyword for the next series.

I was wondering how often Darkness did crop up in series one as the only time I recall it being mentioned was by Gwyneth in The Unquiet Dead.

Can anyone clarify?

Russell T Davies says on the BBC Radio 2 Documentry that the Face of Boe comes back and has important words for the Doctor.
The Face of Boe appears in Episode 1, and so does Cassandra. (I think Cassandra tries to blame the FOB for the murders on Platform 1 in TEOTW, so maybe theres some sort of feud between them)
Anyway, I dont think we've been given a clue about the 'story arc' yet. I think the FOB will start the mystery.
This is my theory.



or



What d'ya think?

I have thought along similar lines to your good self and posted as such on the forums.

I never really liked or bought into the whole so perhaps what the Face of Boe has to say is connected to that or the Time War. I wouldn't be surprised if it does concern episodes 5,6, 12 and 13 with other little clues scattered along the way.

I was just wondering why a lot of people do think the word is a contender for the storyarc when it was only mentioned very briefly in series one by Gwyneth in The Unquiet Dead?