HD DVD recorder?

simonp820 · 28-12-2005, 09:47

Can you get hold of HD DVD recorders yet?

Currys are only stocking an HD DVD player at the moment.

Vashta Nerada · 28-12-2005, 10:02

i think they havnt set a standard yet for HDDVD

Dan27 · 28-12-2005, 10:05

They have set a standard for HD-DVD and BluRay. They are at the moment starting the testing of mass manufacturing the media and finalising the fabrication processes.

Global launches for HD-DVD and BluRay recorders are at least one year off, maybe two.

sanderton · 28-12-2005, 18:13

Currys don't sell an HD-DVD player.

simonp820 · 28-12-2005, 18:15

What did I buy today? It plugs into the HD interface on my plasma!

Jarrak · 28-12-2005, 18:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by simonpearce

What did I buy today? It plugs into the HD interface on my plasma!

There are DVD players which have built in scaling/de-interlacing hardware and many only allow this function to work when connected via the HDMI output.

The result is not HD but can in some circumstances produce a better picture than relying on the HD display to do the scaling itself.

hardeep · 28-12-2005, 18:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by simonpearce

What did I buy today? It plugs into the HD interface on my plasma!

I'm going to guess the Samsung HD-850. Although it doesn't play HD DVD discs, (there aren't any to buy!) it does upscale SD DVDs to 720p or 1080i HD.

gumbo · 28-12-2005, 18:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by hardeep

I'm going to guess the Samsung HD-850. Although it doesn't play HD DVD discs, (there aren't any to buy!) it does upscale SD DVDs to 720p or 1080i HD.

umm, i have seen HD-dvd's for sale on some american pron site.

for links pm me.

Jarrak · 28-12-2005, 19:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by gumbo

umm, i have seen HD-dvd's for sale on some american pron site.

for links pm me.

HD-DVD is the term used for the upcoming blue laser product due early 2006.

You'll see HD DVD and variations used for other products and the likely hood is that the porn you have seen uses MS wmv (VC1) encoded material carried on standard DVD media.

hardeep · 28-12-2005, 19:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by gumbo

umm, i have seen HD-dvd's for sale on some american pron site.

Thank god the porn industry is there to drive standards ever upwards!

Quote:

for links pm me.

Perhaps later...

Dan27 · 28-12-2005, 19:08

There ARE DVDs (normal DVDs) out there with WMV-HD movies on them. Thats as close to HD-DVD playback that you can get at the moment.

Terminator 2 and The Fifth Element are available on this format, however you need a Internet connection to aquire the license to play the media, and if you import one of these disks it wont work outside the US.

camaj · 29-12-2005, 02:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanVitale

Global launches for HD-DVD and BluRay recorders are at least one year off, maybe two.

I don't know what you mean by "global"

Blu-ray Spring 2006 and the rest of the world within months

HD-DVD "Early 2006" although I have my doubts it'll launch given the setbacks they seem to suffer every week

Ruokasi · 29-12-2005, 03:33

I wouldn't buy a HD DVD player for a while yet, I will wait for one of the formats to fail first.

MDX · 29-12-2005, 03:49

Those Porn HD-DVD's are not HDDVD's.

They were just Filmed in the HD Format.....

Dan27 · 29-12-2005, 08:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by camaj

I don't know what you mean by "global"

Blu-ray Spring 2006 and the rest of the world within months

HD-DVD "Early 2006" although I have my doubts it'll launch given the setbacks they seem to suffer every week

Recorders. Not the Read Only media

Think of how long it took DVD Recorders to come out

simonp820 · 29-12-2005, 11:07

I think I've been conned then! The Samsung I bought from Curry's has the HDMI logo all over it!

What about the Xbox 360? Will that play high def DVDs?

SImon

sanderton · 29-12-2005, 12:05

HDMI is just the name of the interface, like "SCART" or "phono". You can put both HD and SD video through an HDMI connector.

It will upscale SD DVDs and output a HD resolution signal. Your TV would do the upscaling too - which bit of electronics does the upscaling better I don't know.

XBox 360 will stream HD content form a PC, will play HD games, but will not play disk-based high definition content.

For the avoidance of doubt HD-DVD is a brand new disk format which can store 3 times (?) as much data as a DVD using blue laser technology; it is NOT the same as high definition content on a data DVD. You can't yet buy an HD-DVD player, nor can you buy an HD-DVD disk.

sanderton · 29-12-2005, 12:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanVitale

Recorders. Not the Read Only media

Think of how long it took DVD Recorders to come out

Recorders have been out some time in Japan?

http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/...603866-0518760

Jarrak · 29-12-2005, 13:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by sanderton

Recorders have been out some time in Japan?

http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/...603866-0518760

Impressive machines especially the price tag.
However they were only intended for the Japanese market used in conjuntion with their BS satellite broadcasts although it could record from normal sources.
This recorder will not have a direct relationship with mainstream domestic blu-ray recorders which are going to be rolled out in the next year or so which will far smaller/cheaper and loaded with digital security.

29-12-2005, 13:13

My Japanese isn't really what it should be, anyone care to translate the specs?

.

sanderton · 29-12-2005, 13:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jarrak

Impressive machines especially the price tag.
However they were only intended for the Japanese market used in conjuntion with their BS satellite broadcasts although it could record from normal sources.
This recorder will not have a direct relationship with mainstream domestic blu-ray recorders which are going to be rolled out in the next year or so which will far smaller/cheaper and loaded with digital security.

Well they are first generation for sure, but it's certainly not true that recorders aren't available. Others include the Pannsonic DMR-E700BD, Philips IPS01, Samsunge BD-HR1000, Sharp BD-HD100, LG BH-6900 - you get the idea.

simonp820 · 29-12-2005, 13:41

I'm even more confused now than I was before!

I have a Samsung Plasma TV that is high definition ready.

I was bought Robbie Williams' Knebworth DVD for Christmas which was filmed in high definition.

So I though now would be a good time to replace my Tesco DVD player with one that would play high definition DVDs.

I asked originally if I could get a DVD recorder that would play high definition DVDs but was told no, so bought a Samsung High definition player from Currys for about £109 (but turns out not to be a high definition player???!)

Hope this helps. No idea what blue ray , etc mean!

Simon

* notes - I don't really need a DVD recorder as I have SKY+ but it seemed a useful addition to the lounge!

* I would quite like a Samsung to match the plasma

Jarrak · 29-12-2005, 17:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by simonpearce

So I though now would be a good time to replace my Tesco DVD player with one that would play high definition DVDs.

I asked originally if I could get a DVD recorder that would play high definition DVDs but was told no, so bought a Samsung High definition player from Currys for about £109 (but turns out not to be a high definition player???!)

Hope this helps. No idea what blue ray , etc mean!

There is no such thing as a High Definition DVD that will play on a standard DVD player.
There are DVD data roms that contain HD files for playing on PC's and a few network media type players.
I can see the confusion if you do not exactly what the terms for both the content and the hardware relate to eachother

The Samsung DVD player has some hardware which can take a DVD and increase the resolution of the movie on that DVD upto what we consider High Def. It is only HD because of the changed resolution which a totally different matter compared to having a source that was HD in the first place.

Blu-ray and HD-DVD are two blue laser optical disc systems designed to replace the DVD standard and have enough capacity to carry HD content at the native resolution.

Jarrak · 29-12-2005, 17:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by sanderton

Well they are first generation for sure, but it's certainly not true that recorders aren't available. Others include the Pannsonic DMR-E700BD, Philips IPS01, Samsunge BD-HR1000, Sharp BD-HD100, LG BH-6900 - you get the idea.

The first generation (2003) being so far removed the 2006/7 mainstream product that they could be regarded as a different family of products altogether

Don't think I said that there were no Blu-ray recorders, I've always understood that Blu-ray would be recordable from day1 and for a 2006 launch then the prototypes would have been displayed at trade shows for quite a while which a quick google confirms.

I like the look of the Philips model, matches the flat panel range of displays very nicely.

elpaw · 29-12-2005, 21:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jarrak

There is no such thing as a High Definition DVD that will play on a standard DVD player.

I heard there were going to be double-sided DVDs with SD content on one side, and HD content on the other, to aid people in the transition

28-12-2005, 09:47	#1
simonp820 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,884	HD DVD recorder? Can you get hold of HD DVD recorders yet? Currys are only stocking an HD DVD player at the moment.

29-12-2005, 13:41	#22
simonp820 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,884	Perhaps I should clarify! I'm even more confused now than I was before! I have a Samsung Plasma TV that is high definition ready. I was bought Robbie Williams' Knebworth DVD for Christmas which was filmed in high definition. So I though now would be a good time to replace my Tesco DVD player with one that would play high definition DVDs. I asked originally if I could get a DVD recorder that would play high definition DVDs but was told no, so bought a Samsung High definition player from Currys for about £109 (but turns out not to be a high definition player???!) Hope this helps. No idea what blue ray , etc mean! Simon * notes - I don't really need a DVD recorder as I have SKY+ but it seemed a useful addition to the lounge! * I would quite like a Samsung to match the plasma

28-12-2005, 10:02	#2
Vashta Nerada Forum Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Barry, South Wales Posts: 4,382	i think they havnt set a standard yet for HDDVD

28-12-2005, 10:05	#3
Dan27 Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: By The Sea Posts: 9,574	They have set a standard for HD-DVD and BluRay. They are at the moment starting the testing of mass manufacturing the media and finalising the fabrication processes. Global launches for HD-DVD and BluRay recorders are at least one year off, maybe two.

28-12-2005, 18:13	#4
sanderton Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Acne Information, Acne Vulgari Posts: 2,809	Currys don't sell an HD-DVD player.

28-12-2005, 18:15	#5
simonp820 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,884	What did I buy today? It plugs into the HD interface on my plasma!

28-12-2005, 18:25	#6
Jarrak Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Ilkeston Posts: 18,075	Quote: Originally Posted by simonpearce What did I buy today? It plugs into the HD interface on my plasma! There are DVD players which have built in scaling/de-interlacing hardware and many only allow this function to work when connected via the HDMI output. The result is not HD but can in some circumstances produce a better picture than relying on the HD display to do the scaling itself.

28-12-2005, 18:52	#7
hardeep Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 2,163	Quote: Originally Posted by simonpearce What did I buy today? It plugs into the HD interface on my plasma! I'm going to guess the Samsung HD-850. Although it doesn't play HD DVD discs, (there aren't any to buy!) it does upscale SD DVDs to 720p or 1080i HD.

28-12-2005, 18:58	#8
gumbo Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Northampton Posts: 9	Quote: Originally Posted by hardeep I'm going to guess the Samsung HD-850. Although it doesn't play HD DVD discs, (there aren't any to buy!) it does upscale SD DVDs to 720p or 1080i HD. umm, i have seen HD-dvd's for sale on some american pron site. for links pm me.

28-12-2005, 19:01	#9
Jarrak Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Ilkeston Posts: 18,075	Quote: Originally Posted by gumbo umm, i have seen HD-dvd's for sale on some american pron site. for links pm me. HD-DVD is the term used for the upcoming blue laser product due early 2006. You'll see HD DVD and variations used for other products and the likely hood is that the porn you have seen uses MS wmv (VC1) encoded material carried on standard DVD media.

28-12-2005, 19:04	#10
hardeep Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 2,163	Quote: Originally Posted by gumbo umm, i have seen HD-dvd's for sale on some american pron site. Thank god the porn industry is there to drive standards ever upwards! Quote: for links pm me. Perhaps later...

28-12-2005, 19:08	#11
Dan27 Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: By The Sea Posts: 9,574	There ARE DVDs (normal DVDs) out there with WMV-HD movies on them. Thats as close to HD-DVD playback that you can get at the moment. Terminator 2 and The Fifth Element are available on this format, however you need a Internet connection to aquire the license to play the media, and if you import one of these disks it wont work outside the US.

29-12-2005, 02:18	#12
camaj Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 813	Quote: Originally Posted by DanVitale Global launches for HD-DVD and BluRay recorders are at least one year off, maybe two. I don't know what you mean by "global" Blu-ray Spring 2006 and the rest of the world within months HD-DVD "Early 2006" although I have my doubts it'll launch given the setbacks they seem to suffer every week

29-12-2005, 03:33	#13
Ruokasi Banned User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bristol, England. Posts: 3,360	I wouldn't buy a HD DVD player for a while yet, I will wait for one of the formats to fail first.

29-12-2005, 03:49	#14
MDX Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,829	Those Porn HD-DVD's are not HDDVD's. They were just Filmed in the HD Format.....

29-12-2005, 08:14	#15
Dan27 Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: By The Sea Posts: 9,574	Quote: Originally Posted by camaj I don't know what you mean by "global" Blu-ray Spring 2006 and the rest of the world within months HD-DVD "Early 2006" although I have my doubts it'll launch given the setbacks they seem to suffer every week Recorders. Not the Read Only media Think of how long it took DVD Recorders to come out

29-12-2005, 11:07	#16
simonp820 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,884	I think I've been conned then! The Samsung I bought from Curry's has the HDMI logo all over it! What about the Xbox 360? Will that play high def DVDs? SImon

29-12-2005, 12:05	#17
sanderton Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Acne Information, Acne Vulgari Posts: 2,809	HDMI is just the name of the interface, like "SCART" or "phono". You can put both HD and SD video through an HDMI connector. It will upscale SD DVDs and output a HD resolution signal. Your TV would do the upscaling too - which bit of electronics does the upscaling better I don't know. XBox 360 will stream HD content form a PC, will play HD games, but will not play disk-based high definition content. For the avoidance of doubt HD-DVD is a brand new disk format which can store 3 times (?) as much data as a DVD using blue laser technology; it is NOT the same as high definition content on a data DVD. You can't yet buy an HD-DVD player, nor can you buy an HD-DVD disk.

29-12-2005, 12:06	#18
sanderton Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Acne Information, Acne Vulgari Posts: 2,809	Quote: Originally Posted by DanVitale Recorders. Not the Read Only media Think of how long it took DVD Recorders to come out Recorders have been out some time in Japan? http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/...603866-0518760

29-12-2005, 13:04	#19
Jarrak Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Ilkeston Posts: 18,075	Quote: Originally Posted by sanderton Recorders have been out some time in Japan? http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/...603866-0518760 Impressive machines especially the price tag. However they were only intended for the Japanese market used in conjuntion with their BS satellite broadcasts although it could record from normal sources. This recorder will not have a direct relationship with mainstream domestic blu-ray recorders which are going to be rolled out in the next year or so which will far smaller/cheaper and loaded with digital security.

29-12-2005, 13:13	#20
Sirius Posts: n/a	My Japanese isn't really what it should be, anyone care to translate the specs? .

29-12-2005, 13:29	#21
sanderton Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Acne Information, Acne Vulgari Posts: 2,809	Quote: Originally Posted by Jarrak Impressive machines especially the price tag. However they were only intended for the Japanese market used in conjuntion with their BS satellite broadcasts although it could record from normal sources. This recorder will not have a direct relationship with mainstream domestic blu-ray recorders which are going to be rolled out in the next year or so which will far smaller/cheaper and loaded with digital security. Well they are first generation for sure, but it's certainly not true that recorders aren't available. Others include the Pannsonic DMR-E700BD, Philips IPS01, Samsunge BD-HR1000, Sharp BD-HD100, LG BH-6900 - you get the idea.

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HD DVD recorder?

29-12-2005, 17:49	#23
Jarrak Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Ilkeston Posts: 18,075	Quote: Originally Posted by simonpearce So I though now would be a good time to replace my Tesco DVD player with one that would play high definition DVDs. I asked originally if I could get a DVD recorder that would play high definition DVDs but was told no, so bought a Samsung High definition player from Currys for about £109 (but turns out not to be a high definition player???!) Hope this helps. No idea what blue ray , etc mean! There is no such thing as a High Definition DVD that will play on a standard DVD player. There are DVD data roms that contain HD files for playing on PC's and a few network media type players. I can see the confusion if you do not exactly what the terms for both the content and the hardware relate to eachother The Samsung DVD player has some hardware which can take a DVD and increase the resolution of the movie on that DVD upto what we consider High Def. It is only HD because of the changed resolution which a totally different matter compared to having a source that was HD in the first place. Blu-ray and HD-DVD are two blue laser optical disc systems designed to replace the DVD standard and have enough capacity to carry HD content at the native resolution.

29-12-2005, 17:54	#24
Jarrak Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Ilkeston Posts: 18,075	Quote: Originally Posted by sanderton Well they are first generation for sure, but it's certainly not true that recorders aren't available. Others include the Pannsonic DMR-E700BD, Philips IPS01, Samsunge BD-HR1000, Sharp BD-HD100, LG BH-6900 - you get the idea. The first generation (2003) being so far removed the 2006/7 mainstream product that they could be regarded as a different family of products altogether Don't think I said that there were no Blu-ray recorders, I've always understood that Blu-ray would be recordable from day1 and for a 2006 launch then the prototypes would have been displayed at trade shows for quite a while which a quick google confirms. I like the look of the Philips model, matches the flat panel range of displays very nicely.

29-12-2005, 21:22	#25
elpaw Forum Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Location: Location Posts: 7,990	Quote: Originally Posted by Jarrak There is no such thing as a High Definition DVD that will play on a standard DVD player. I heard there were going to be double-sided DVDs with SD content on one side, and HD content on the other, to aid people in the transition