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Old 30-12-2005, 20:11
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They were never best mates, they had no friendship. And when Andy asked Dennis to be his best man, the script illustrated that they were not friends, by Dennis overtly stating that it seemed a strange choice!
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Old 30-12-2005, 20:18
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This is Eastenders. Once you've known someone for more than a day, they're your best mate.
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Old 30-12-2005, 20:23
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Yeah very odd and its not even a good episode so far and we are 23 mins in.
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Old 30-12-2005, 20:26
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Bit of a bizarre thing for the writers to add in at this late stage, they were hardly best mates.
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Old 30-12-2005, 20:35
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Originally Posted by Keyser Soze
Bit of a bizarre thing for the writers to add in at this late stage, they were hardly best mates.
Once again re-writing history to support their increasingly contrived storylines.
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Old 30-12-2005, 20:41
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yea they were best mates, even gave Dennis the bookies.
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Old 30-12-2005, 20:43
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they were good mates. I remember when Andy died Dennis was quite upset as he always felt him and Andy were quite similar.
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Old 30-12-2005, 20:47
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They were best mates, they worked together before when they were under Jack Dalston.
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Old 30-12-2005, 20:48
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thats what makes it so contrived and un-convincing!
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Old 30-12-2005, 20:50
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Originally Posted by TheDirector
They were never best mates, they had no friendship. And when Andy asked Dennis to be his best man, the script illustrated that they were not friends, by Dennis overtly stating that it seemed a strange choice!

Yes they were from the Dolton days. Why do you think he left him the bookies and was his best man when he nearly married Kat?

Jesus if you make a post like this at least think about it before you post.
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Old 30-12-2005, 20:54
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Originally Posted by anna123
they were good mates. I remember when Andy died Dennis was quite upset as he always felt him and Andy were quite similar.
No No No No No! They weren't best friends. They never particularly liked each other. When Andy was being evil to Alfie and Kat Dennis was against it. The out of no where they made him best man, which the writers noted in the script was weird. Then he dies and left bookies which was also contrived! But was an attempt to show how few friends Andy had.
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Old 30-12-2005, 20:54
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I thought they were close, they went back to the Dalton days and Dennis gave up his throne to Dalton's millions after killing him, thus making Andy the Gangland leader.

They had several heart to hearts about the loves of their life - Zoe, Kat, Sharon and Sam.
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Old 01-01-2006, 20:43
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Originally Posted by timmy_mallet
I thought they were close, they went back to the Dalton days and Dennis gave up his throne to Dalton's millions after killing him, thus making Andy the Gangland leader.

They had several heart to hearts about the loves of their life - Zoe, Kat, Sharon and Sam.
Nope, their friendship was completely contrived and came from out of the blue. Hit the link below and scroll down to the bit which syas ENEMIES! Even the BBC acknowledge it, so to the bloke who told me to check my facts, YOU check your facts! When the writers decided to make Dennis best man it seemed odd, but the general impression I got was that ANdy had no friends, which was emphasised by the fact he chose an old enemy for the job. My point is that in recent episodes where the writers have made out that Dennis had a really strong friendship with Andy is total madness and far fetched.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/east...r_andy_h.shtml
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Old 01-01-2006, 20:49
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Neither Andy or Dennis had 'friends'. They weren't the type. I think it was more a case of having something in common. There was a friendship of sorts - and because neither really had the whole friendship thing they probably were best mates.

Andy let Dennis off of Dalton's murder when he found out - they had an understanding. But Andy did side with Sam over the whole burning og 'Angie's Den'. After the lock in and Dot's cancer they re-established the type of 'friendship' they had before. Andy was the only person Dennis told when he was going to do a runner with Sharon at Xmas. So although they weren't best mates in the traditional sense - they were probably the best friend each other could/would have had.
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Old 01-01-2006, 20:52
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I dont think the writers/producer made that 'deep friendship' up until later. When Andy first came on the show and the two of them met there was IMO nothing there suggested they should have been 'best mates' at all.

Dennis had a great 'respect' for Andy and seemed almost submissive and scared for him in the beginning and yet Andy was such a laughable, rubbish 'gangsta' compared to Johnny Allen and Jack Dalton.
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Old 01-01-2006, 20:57
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Andy and Dennis were friends when they were young working for Dalton but once they both started trying to out do each other to impress him that was when they stopped being friends but they made it up before Kat and Andys wedding. Both Dennis and Andy were loners so really niether had real friends.
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Old 01-01-2006, 21:04
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Originally Posted by Crystal Clear
Andy and Dennis were friends when they were young working for Dalton but once they both started trying to out do each other to impress him that was when they stopped being friends
Hi Crystal Clear. Just out of interest; when was this discussed and established? (in their 'woman to woman' talk at the Vic? ). What exactly made them stop being friends? I cant remember hearing anything about this other than in board discussions and in fan fics .
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Old 01-01-2006, 21:06
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Originally Posted by Lena LaVern
Hi Crystal Clear. Just out of interest; when was this discussed and established? (in their 'woman to woman' talk at the Vic? ). What exactly made them stop being friends? I cant remember hearing anything about this other than in board discussions and in fan fics .
After Dalton was shot by Dennis. Andy came around to say he was now incharge and he and Dennis had a long chat in the car while two heavies stood outside. I have it on tape July 2003 I think.
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Old 01-01-2006, 21:08
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Thank you . So what was it that made them fall out of friendship?
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Old 01-01-2006, 21:11
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Originally Posted by Lena LaVern
Thank you . So what was it that made them fall out of friendship?

Both of them wanted to be Daltons top boy and competed against each other for that plus Andy was always jealous of how Dennis was always Daltons favourite. Something that even Den and Phil have talked about. Dalton even said Dennis was like a son.
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Old 01-01-2006, 21:13
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Originally Posted by ker
Neither Andy or Dennis had 'friends'. They weren't the type. I think it was more a case of having something in common. There was a friendship of sorts - and because neither really had the whole friendship thing they probably were best mates.

Andy let Dennis off of Dalton's murder when he found out - they had an understanding. But Andy did side with Sam over the whole burning og 'Angie's Den'. After the lock in and Dot's cancer they re-established the type of 'friendship' they had before. Andy was the only person Dennis told when he was going to do a runner with Sharon at Xmas. So although they weren't best mates in the traditional sense - they were probably the best friend each other could/would have had.
Disagree, as the BBC website states, they were enemies until he was asked to be best man, which clearly bemused Dennis. So the recent nostalgic and supposedly emotive storyline of Dennis being told who murdered Andy was just crazy. They never particularly liked each other.
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Old 01-01-2006, 21:16
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Originally Posted by Crystal Clear
Andy was always jealous of how Dennis was always Daltons favourite. Something that even Den and Phil have talked about. Dalton even said Dennis was like a son.
Yeah that I remember, which must mean that they were friends before they got in contact with Dalton I guess (?)

Have you also on tape when Andy first arrived? If so where they particularly 'best buddies' or seemed like friends?

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Old 01-01-2006, 21:19
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Originally Posted by Lena LaVern
Yeah that I remember, which must mean that they were friends before they got in contact with Dalton I guess (?)

Have you also on tape when Andy first arrived? If so where they particularly 'best buddies' or seemed like friends?
They openly disliked each other and would wind each other up. Dennis thought Andy was pathetic. And they were never mates years ago, just mixed in the same circles due to employment. Also, Andy never let Dennis off. It was just that he was actually pleased thats someone had killed Dalton, making way for him.
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Old 01-01-2006, 21:27
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Originally Posted by TheDirector
They openly disliked each other and would wind each other up. Dennis thought Andy was pathetic. And they were never mates years ago, just mixed in the same circles due to employment. Also, Andy never let Dennis off. It was just that he was actually pleased thats someone had killed Dalton, making way for him.
That is my memory as well TheDirector (but my memory is not that detailed so I thought I take the chance to ask the more 'dedicated' viewers who have it all saved on tape . I dont remember they acted like 'old friends' at all when they first met rather quite indifferent like they had never known each other (but then suddenly there was this 'miraculous change' that is so common in todays EE where peoples relation seem to follow the storyline rather than the characters ).

I never saw Andy as anything else than a joke myself and certainly not in the same league and top position as Johnny Allen (thats only my feeling though). It made no sense as Dennis at first was so submissive towards Andy when he later stood up to Johnny Allen (but then J.A. was suddenly 'going trough the changes' as well).

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Old 01-01-2006, 21:49
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Originally Posted by Lena LaVern
That is my memory as well TheDirector (but my memory is not that detailed so I thought I take the chance to ask the more 'dedicated' viewers who have it all saved on tape . I dont remember they acted like 'old friends' at all when they first met rather quite indifferent like they had never known each other (but then suddenly there was this 'miraculous change' that is so common in todays EE where peoples relation seem to follow the storyline rather than the characters ).

I never saw Andy as anything else than a joke myself and certainly not in the same top position as Johnny Allen (thats only my feeling though). It made no sense as Dennis at first was so submissive towards Andy when he later stood up to Johnny Allen (but then J.A. was suddenly 'going trough the changes' as well).
Absolutely. How hard is it for EE writers to use logic and consistancy in their scripts! Andy was firghtened of Johnny and rightly so! And Phil was petrified by Jack Dalton. So where the hell did Dennis and Phil suddenly get balls of steel to the point of bringing true a deathwish! Also, Grant had never heard Johnny Allen! Yet he once ran the East End, was one of the top professional criminals right up till his 'retirement' and Grant's mother and father knew him close.
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