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Old 01-01-2006, 12:58
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So Phil walked into Johnnys office and took the tape... but Johnny already had his phone in his hand so had already made 'the call'

The tape would have footage of dennis decking johnny and then johnny ordering the kill...

why doesn't phil just hand that in? Conspiring to murder must carry a good few years in prison
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Old 01-01-2006, 13:02
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johnny probably didn't need to say anything, just a phone call or a text. Also its not really Phils style and dennis mentions that phils told him everything which would mean sharon and everyone would find out.
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Old 01-01-2006, 13:12
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I wonder if Johnny had the time/sense to call an ambulance for himself as well as a hit man for Dennis??
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Old 01-01-2006, 13:21
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i dont think johnny called the hitman, i believe the hitman must have already been in walford and some how some where keeping an eye on dennis. Johnny probably instructed the hitman to kill dennis if he was still around at midnight. i think johnny probably called for an ambulance for himself...
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Old 01-01-2006, 13:32
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Originally Posted by Deaf Leppard
So Phil walked into Johnnys office and took the tape... but Johnny already had his phone in his hand so had already made 'the call'

The tape would have footage of dennis decking johnny and then johnny ordering the kill...

why doesn't phil just hand that in? Conspiring to murder must carry a good few years in prison
That's clever!
I never even thought of that.
I just assumed he took it so Dennis wouldn't have been charged for assaulting Johnny. [Unlikely now anyway]

-Brodie
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Old 01-01-2006, 13:37
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what is it with johnnys cctv??? it catches everyone out
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Old 01-01-2006, 13:40
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Originally Posted by Deaf Leppard
So Phil walked into Johnnys office and took the tape... but Johnny already had his phone in his hand so had already made 'the call'

The tape would have footage of dennis decking johnny and then johnny ordering the kill...

why doesn't phil just hand that in? Conspiring to murder must carry a good few years in prison
CCTV doesnt record sound usually. Although it suddenly did when Chrissie confessed ( he). Anyway Johnnys not stupid he could whisper it. Or text it. Plus he has a good alabi for not killing dennis. (He was in the office on the floor going into a comer)
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Old 01-01-2006, 13:42
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Originally Posted by ChrissieWatts
what is it with johnnys cctv??? it catches everyone out
Lol tell me about it! Its like the black box of EE !
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Old 01-01-2006, 13:48
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He cant hand it in otherwise he would have to implicate himself in what happened. Especially regarding Sharon finding out that Phil revealed all to Dennis. So he took the tape initially to protect Dennis.

Johnny made the phonecall to order Dennis to be murdered (personally an ambulance may of been at the top of my list but hey ho) so now Phil will take matters into his own hands. Sharon will end up supporting Phil in avengeing her husbands death thats until she finds out Phil's involvement.
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Old 01-01-2006, 13:54
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Originally Posted by ntlcable
i dont think johnny called the hitman, i believe the hitman must have already been in walford and some how some where keeping an eye on dennis. Johnny probably instructed the hitman to kill dennis if he was still around at midnight. i think johnny probably called for an ambulance for himself...
Yep thats very plausible. Think about it if he wanted dennis out by midnight he'd have a hitman on standby. All he'd have to do is phone an ambulance. which would proove him innocent of Dennises death as he made the call just minutes before. But it also may have been to get Phil on camera. What puzzles me is why did dennis go to kill Johnny for after Johnny said its just banter (hes not really going to kill him)? Why did Phil even go to the office? Did Phil believe Johnny to be dead? How can Johnny have been dying from a bit of a beating? Why did Dennises first/second punch leave him with cuts all over his face like he'd been scrammed?
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Old 01-01-2006, 13:56
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Phils not that bright to work it out, really, be fair
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Old 01-01-2006, 14:24
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Johnny needs better security at that club though Theyre a bit useless, and always seem to wander off when someone wants into the office. He obviously doesnt feel the need to get a lock put on his office door

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Old 01-01-2006, 14:29
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normal cctv like that doesnt record sound

big plot hole!

just like dennis being allowed into america with a criminal record
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Old 01-01-2006, 14:31
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Originally Posted by Philmitchell
Yep thats very plausible. Think about it if he wanted dennis out by midnight he'd have a hitman on standby. All he'd have to do is phone an ambulance. which would proove him innocent of Dennises death as he made the call just minutes before. But it also may have been to get Phil on camera. What puzzles me is why did dennis go to kill Johnny for after Johnny said its just banter (hes not really going to kill him)? Why did Phil even go to the office? Did Phil believe Johnny to be dead? How can Johnny have been dying from a bit of a beating? Why did Dennises first/second punch leave him with cuts all over his face like he'd been scrammed?
His face was cut to shreds, because it landed in a glass decanter on his desk!
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Old 01-01-2006, 14:33
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Originally Posted by ChrissieWatts
what is it with johnnys cctv??? it catches everyone out
LOL
Is CCTV really that effective in real life?
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Old 01-01-2006, 14:35
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He smashed his face into the broken glass on the table didnt he? O.o
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Old 01-01-2006, 14:35
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Originally Posted by Philmitchell
Yep thats very plausible. Think about it if he wanted dennis out by midnight he'd have a hitman on standby. All he'd have to do is phone an ambulance. which would proove him innocent of Dennises death as he made the call just minutes before. But it also may have been to get Phil on camera. What puzzles me is why did dennis go to kill Johnny for after Johnny said its just banter (hes not really going to kill him)? Why did Phil even go to the office? Did Phil believe Johnny to be dead? How can Johnny have been dying from a bit of a beating? Why did Dennises first/second punch leave him with cuts all over his face like he'd been scrammed?
I think we should see the footage where Johnny just says "Do it" before falling unconscious. The hitman was already under orders to carry it out at Johnnys command.
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Old 01-01-2006, 14:53
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I assumed that Phil took the tape so that Dennis couldn't get in trouble with the police for attacking Johhny or something like that but Johhny may not have needed to call anyone if Dennis was being watched by Johnny's hitman the whole time.
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Old 01-01-2006, 23:28
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Originally Posted by Bill Fan
I assumed that Phil took the tape so that Dennis couldn't get in trouble with the police for attacking Johhny or something like that but Johhny may not have needed to call anyone if Dennis was being watched by Johnny's hitman the whole time.
well if he was watching the whole time did he not think to see what he was doing in johhny office if he new johhny would be at risk
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Old 02-01-2006, 05:26
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wait, all he did was smash johnnys face into some glass, and punch him about twice, is that enough to kill johnny? I'm asking because dennis did mention that if he can't get to the phone he dies.
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Old 02-01-2006, 05:34
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The way I look at it, Johnny's security was lax because he had the bouncers ready and waiting for the order to kill Dennis anyway.
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Old 02-01-2006, 12:07
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Originally Posted by hassan
wait, all he did was smash johnnys face into some glass, and punch him about twice, is that enough to kill johnny? I'm asking because dennis did mention that if he can't get to the phone he dies.
I think he was battered some more but we never saw it
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Old 02-01-2006, 12:24
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Originally Posted by kyri
I think he was battered some more but we never saw it
yeh i agree with you
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Old 02-01-2006, 12:44
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Johnny could have said "sort it"

I think Phil gave Johnny the phone :O
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Old 02-01-2006, 13:25
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Originally Posted by hassan
wait, all he did was smash johnnys face into some glass, and punch him about twice, is that enough to kill johnny? I'm asking because dennis did mention that if he can't get to the phone he dies.
I wasn't paying too much attention but it looked like Johnny's throat was cut from the glass.
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