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Anyone else watch the McCann Doctor today?
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stuart62
02-01-2006
Originally Posted by kramer:
“I thought Eric Roberts was good as the Master - maybe they could bring him back for the current doctor.”

Personally, I thought he was by far the worst thing about the TVM!

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“Let's face it, if they're going to bring back K9 and even Sarah-flipping-Jane Smith, they HAVE to bring back the Master eventually.”

No, the Master has had his day. I think it would be a mistkae to resurrect him.
Black Guardian
02-01-2006
Originally Posted by stuart62:
“Personally, I thought he was by far the worst thing about the TVM!



No, the Master has had his day. I think it would be a mistkae to resurrect him.”

Depends on how it is done Stuart. If they cast the right actor for the role of The Master, given a decent storyline rather than what we have seen in the past and we are given much of a background of his relationship with The Doctor and what really caused the friction between them, then it could work.
stuart62
02-01-2006
Originally Posted by Black Guardian:
“Depends on how it is done Stuart. If they cast the right actor for the role of The Master, given a decent storyline rather than what we have seen in the past and we are given much of a background of his relationship with The Doctor and what really caused the friction between them, then it could work.”


Hmm. I'd take a lot of convincing - and exactly the right actor.
Black Guardian
02-01-2006
Originally Posted by stuart62:
“Hmm. I'd take a lot of convincing - and exactly the right actor.”

After the complete hash they made of the character in the TVM and his appearances in the series, with the exception of the early stuff, I don't blame you. Ainley was good to begin with but then it all went quickly downhill.

Is there anyone you can think of that you would like to see in the role? Remember RTD doesn't like older actors!
stuart62
02-01-2006
Originally Posted by Black Guardian:
“After the complete hash they made of the character in the TVM and his appearances in the series, with the exception of the early stuff, I don't blame you. Ainley was good to begin with but then it all went quickly downhill.

Is there anyone you can think of that you would like to see in the role? Remember RTD doesn't like older actors! ”

Nobody springs to mind instantly, although the brief look we had of Anthony Head with his hair slicked back would have made him a good contender. However, I don't think he will be the Master in that particular story. Apart form him, I can't really think of anybody else at the moment.
Black Guardian
02-01-2006
Originally Posted by stuart62:
“Nobody springs to mind instantly, although the brief look we had of Anthony Head with his hair slicked back would have made him a good contender. However, I don't think he will be the Master in that particular story. Apart form him, I can't really think of anybody else at the moment.”

Tis a shame Anthony Head isn't in the frame as he would've brought something to the role. As they won't ever cast someone older in the role of The Doctor I guess they would want someone around the same age as DT.
Cookie Crumbler
02-01-2006
Originally Posted by paul15:
“the TARDIS set is fantastic (sorry!), and I think it's a shame they didn't try to recreate this for the new series.”

There were influences from McGann's TARDIS in the current set. It didn't take much tinkering with Architectural Configuration to change from one to the other
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“McGann is a great Doctor, even the half human bit, could of worked, if it was thought out a bit better.”

...like ditching it as a bad idea before the cameras rolled. I've said it with reference to this before, but I'll say it again, 'cos I think it's a great comment (how modest! )...

The only reason they tried to make the Doctor half-human was to sell the series to Americans, because they can't relate to anything that isn't half-human, like they are...

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“Some of the story did contradict the original series, the eye of harmany for example, but I'm sure that will come up again in the future series.”

IIRC, traditionally the Eye of Harmony was the Black Hole from which the Time Lords derived all of their power (including that for TARDISes), what McGann was doing with it in his TARDIS is anyone's guess.

Originally Posted by Ethan Rayne:
“It's what happens when the yanks get hold of a british institution.”

It says something though when a much better job is done when the Welsh get hold of it!

(slips away quietly and quickly, confident in the knowledge that the fire-breathing Welsh Dragon's won't find me... )
stuart62
02-01-2006
I really don't know what the problem with the whole "half human" thing is - it might explain a lot about the Doctor's character and his fascination with Earth.

It opens up a whole back-story of the Doctor's father travelling to Earth, impregnating an Earth woman and having to take her back to Gallifrey. Imagine the Time Lords' horror at such a situation and the Doctor's mother having to cope with life on an alien planet.

I don't thik it's a bad idea, really and it was probably time for some previously unknown aspect of the Doctor's background to be made known. The best thing about early Doctor Who was the mystery about his character and this aspect of the story introduced a little more mystery again.
paul15
04-01-2006
Originally Posted by stuart62:
“I really don't know what the problem with the whole "half human" thing is - it might explain a lot about the Doctor's character and his fascination with Earth.

It opens up a whole back-story of the Doctor's father travelling to Earth, impregnating an Earth woman and having to take her back to Gallifrey. Imagine the Time Lords' horror at such a situation and the Doctor's mother having to cope with life on an alien planet.

I don't thik it's a bad idea, really and it was probably time for some previously unknown aspect of the Doctor's background to be made known. The best thing about early Doctor Who was the mystery about his character and this aspect of the story introduced a little more mystery again.”

Couldn't of put it better myself.
JimRockford
04-01-2006
Originally Posted by Salford_Who:
“Actually RTD laughs at those that get upset about the half human aspect of the Doctor... look at POTW

ROSE: You mean they're ... half human

EMPEROR DALEK: Those words are blasphemy...”

He put that in because that's how he feels too, as a fan.
JimRockford
04-01-2006
Originally Posted by stuart62:
“I really don't know what the problem with the whole "half human" thing is - it might explain a lot about the Doctor's character and his fascination with Earth.

It opens up a whole back-story of the Doctor's father travelling to Earth, impregnating an Earth woman and having to take her back to Gallifrey. Imagine the Time Lords' horror at such a situation and the Doctor's mother having to cope with life on an alien planet.

I don't thik it's a bad idea, really and it was probably time for some previously unknown aspect of the Doctor's background to be made known. The best thing about early Doctor Who was the mystery about his character and this aspect of the story introduced a little more mystery again.”

I believe it was Tom Bakers Doctor that said he 'wasn't a human being.

There's no excusing the American version. It's hardly canon anyway. I'm looking forward to seeing a McCoy - Eccleston regen flashback at some point.**

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stuart62
04-01-2006
Originally Posted by JimRockford:
“He put that in because that's how he feels too, as a fan.”

Do you think so? I thought he was laughing at the fans who get so upset about it.
ollyd1985
04-01-2006
Originally Posted by stuart62:
“The TVM wasn't that bad - OK it wasn't perfect but then, neither was Rose. If it had gone to a series, I'm certain that we would have seen Paul McGann in some of the best episodes of Doctor Who ever.”

I've found an interesting website about what could have been the Eighth Doctor's era:
Basically it would have largely consisted of rewrites of the best stories from the classic series (mainly Americanised versions of Tom Baker stories). The length of a series (which would have been equivalent to a Hartnell season) may have meant up to 12 serials per year leading to some very poor filler stories (similar to The Space Museum).

'San Fransisco Cutaway' could have been the beginning of a new era for Doctor Who, when in fact it marked the end, driving me (at that point a casual viewer) away from the series until the Ninth Doctor came along (when I became a fan).
stuart62
04-01-2006
Originally Posted by ollyd1985:
“I've found an interesting website about what could have been the Eighth Doctor's era:
Basically it would have largely consisted of rewrites of the best stories from the classic series (mainly Americanised versions of Tom Baker stories). The length of a series (which would have been equivalent to a Hartnell season) may have meant up to 12 serials per year leading to some very poor filler stories (similar to The Space Museum).

'San Fransisco Cutaway' could have been the beginning of a new era for Doctor Who, when in fact it marked the end, driving me (at that point a casual viewer) away from the series until the Ninth Doctor came along (when I became a fan).”

I like The Space Museum!

Who knows how it would have turned out. I still think it's a shame we didn't get a chance to see more of McCann's version of the Doctor.
jimbo_bob
04-01-2006
Originally Posted by JimRockford:
“I believe it was Tom Bakers Doctor that said he 'wasn't a human being".....”

The Doctor may be half Human but doesn't class himself has such. I'm half Welsh but I don't class myself as Welsh...
Eaglestriker
04-01-2006
I liked the music at the beginning - it was better than the McCoy theme - okay, so it may have been over-done with the orchestra and lack of electrical sounds, but I liked it otherwise.
The "I'm half-human on my mother's side" was utter rubbish, and I felt as if the Americans took the continuity of the show by its neck and ripped it.
I liked the Tardis interior, it looked more of a "5-Star Hotel in Space" and less of a "set made with a budget of £10." (no offence, but seeing things like the wall almost falling over when the Doctor leans on it just took away the believeability.)

I'd give the film a 6.5/10 rating. I liked Paul McGann as the Doctor - great actor
Black Guardian
04-01-2006
Originally Posted by Eaglestriker:
“I liked the music at the beginning - it was better than the McCoy theme - okay, so it may have been over-done with the orchestra and lack of electrical sounds, but I liked it otherwise.
The "I'm half-human on my mother's side" was utter rubbish, and I felt as if the Americans took the continuity of the show by its neck and ripped it.
I liked the Tardis interior, it looked more of a "5-Star Hotel in Space" and less of a "set made with a budget of £10." (no offence, but seeing things like the wall almost falling over when the Doctor leans on it just took away the believeability.)

I'd give the film a 6.5/10 rating. I liked Paul McGann as the Doctor - great actor ”

I wonder how Paul will have fared in a BBC series. I really enjoyed what he brought to the role, despite some of the awful dialogue/script and have often wondered would he have committed to a full series if they had asked him back.
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