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Old 03-01-2006, 15:35
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Paul in Emmerdale is such an annoying character. His poor me act is a major irritation. Are we supposed to feel sorry for him? I just want to slap him as a result of this extremely badly written storyline.

His bitchy comments towards Ivan's ex wife were ott and unbelievable and delivered by the actor with as much reality as a Mary Poppins movie. Awful.

Then his "Oh I have known Ivan for a few weeks and he should come out the closet and devour me' attitude is nauseating.

What a 1 dimensional character he is
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Old 03-01-2006, 15:35
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He doesn't want people to feel sorry for him. He wants to be able to live his life without any secrets and as Ivan's wife insulted him first, he was well within his rights to hit back.

Anything else to add?
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Old 03-01-2006, 15:38
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Yes, I do hate Paul pressuring Ivan so much. Everything's Paul's problem, forget about anyone else.

Other than that, I still love the character.
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Old 03-01-2006, 15:38
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I like the character of Paul; he is one of my favourites.
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Old 03-01-2006, 15:39
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Originally Posted by Mariceff
He doesn't want people to feel sorry for him. He wants to be able to live his life without any secrets and as Ivan's wife insulted him first, he was well within his rights to hit back.

Anything else to add?
Yes I do thanks. He wasnt just insulting he was so unfunny despite the bitchy intention. The actor is awful and perhaps that is the problem.

If he doesnt want to live his life with secrets then why does he want to get involved with a man who has not come to terms with his sexuality. Obviously its a huge thing for someone without the added pressure of some jerk thinking you should out yourself to everyone. He is a nasty character, his bitchy questions in the pub directed at Ivan, wanting Ivan to tell his family all about it. Not nice at all.

Get rid I say.
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Old 03-01-2006, 15:44
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I don't think the actor is up to much but he was defending himself against a slur and was well within his rights.

He has also said he will not get involved with Ivan. Did you watch last night's?
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Old 03-01-2006, 15:47
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Originally Posted by Mariceff
I don't think the actor is up to much but he was defending himself against a slur and was well within his rights.

He has also said he will not get involved with Ivan. Did you watch last night's?
Yes but I am talking about the build up to that point. Ivan needs a supportive partner, not a drama queen.

I like Ivan much more.
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Old 03-01-2006, 16:10
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I like the character of Paul; he is one of my favourites.
And mine to. I have no problems with the actor, nobody is perfect.
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Old 03-01-2006, 16:13
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Originally Posted by GinaGold
And mine to. I have no problems with the actor, nobody is perfect.
Me neither.

Paul brings a little fun into the Dales and is invloved in my favourite storyline of the moment.

RE his bitchy comments to Jordan: I liked them. They were classic Paul.
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Old 03-01-2006, 16:18
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I like Paul, he reminds me a lot of a guy I used to go to college with years ago...... funnily enough he had a drag act too.
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Old 03-01-2006, 16:20
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Sort of get where Polly is coming from. I am enjoying this storyline, but the actor who plays Paul, although never great in the role but acceptable in the past, is really starting to show his limitations - he's just not good enough to carry off the way his character's being written, what's not helping the fact is that the person playing Ivan (sorry, head cold, brain has melted and I can remember no ones name ) is extremely good and really starting to shine (and looks in need of a good cuddle, which I'd be more then happy to supply )
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Old 03-01-2006, 16:22
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Originally Posted by Polly_Perkins
Yes but I am talking about the build up to that point. Ivan needs a supportive partner, not a drama queen.

I like Ivan much more.
Ivan needs to stop being ashamed of his relationship. He chose to enter it
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Old 03-01-2006, 16:23
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I'm not to keen on Matthew Bose and the way his character is just annoys me. Comparing Antony Cotton and Matthew, I prefer Sean as I at least feel the character is fluid and likeable. I think Matthew tries to hard.
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Old 03-01-2006, 16:28
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Originally Posted by Agent Krycek
Sort of get where Polly is coming from. I am enjoying this storyline, but the actor who plays Paul, although never great in the role but acceptable in the past, is really starting to show his limitations - he's just not good enough to carry off the way his character's being written, what's not helping the fact is that the person playing Ivan (sorry, head cold, brain has melted and I can remember no ones name ) is extremely good and really starting to shine (and looks in need of a good cuddle, which I'd be more then happy to supply )
Agree completely - especially with the comments on Ivan

I liked Paul originally, when all he had to do was be camp and snip at people, but he's been average at best in this storyline; not really demonstrating what's going on in Paul's head. Once he and Ivan finally sort things out, maybe he can go back to what he does best.
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Old 03-01-2006, 16:30
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Matthew Bose is a poor actor, but the character of Paul is one of the best written in the show. And why do you say "are we supposed to feel sorry for Paul" - where was there any indication that we're SUPPOSED to? I feel sorry for Ivan and that's how it has come across on screen. We are just supposed to see why Paul would find it annoying, but he's sticking with it because he genuinely likes Ivan. He is being portrayed as a little selfish but no one is perfect.


Originally Posted by Polly_Perkins
His bitchy comments towards Ivan's ex wife were ott and unbelievable
No they weren't...what's so unbeleivable about them? A gay man being bitchy, I mean surely not! I love his cutting one-liners and they're pretty damn realistic.
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Old 03-01-2006, 16:39
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Originally Posted by Drifter
Matthew Bose is a poor actor, but the character of Paul is one of the best written in the show. And why do you say "are we supposed to feel sorry for Paul" - where was there any indication that we're SUPPOSED to? I feel sorry for Ivan and that's how it has come across on screen. We are just supposed to see why Paul would find it annoying, but he's sticking with it because he genuinely likes Ivan. He is being portrayed as a little selfish but no one is perfect.




No they weren't...what's so unbeleivable about them? A gay man being bitchy, I mean surely not! I love his cutting one-liners and they're pretty damn realistic.

The actor cant deliver them. Hes not exactly Lily Savage or anyone down the Black Cap so why try.
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Old 03-01-2006, 16:47
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No he can't (well, not always - he's nowhere near Patsy Kensit's level of failure to deliver sharp lines) but that doesn't make him poorly written. He has a lot of depth, as shown in the Newcastle episodes.
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Old 03-01-2006, 17:30
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Originally Posted by LlamaKing
I'm not to keen on Matthew Bose and the way his character is just annoys me. Comparing Antony Cotton and Matthew, I prefer Sean as I at least feel the character is fluid and likeable. I think Matthew tries to hard.
Niether are great actors but Paul is a much more real and compelling character.
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Old 03-01-2006, 17:36
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Hate the storyline.. Paul deserves much better than Ivan... a truly pathetic weed of a guy.....

Pual should hold out for the better man..... and I think Ivan and Nicola would be fantastic together....
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Old 03-01-2006, 17:38
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Originally Posted by dingledangle
Niether are great actors but Paul is a much more real and compelling character.
Agreed. Sean can be a bit of a caricature most of the time, whereas Paul has an interesting back story and a bit of depth to him.
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Old 03-01-2006, 18:09
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Originally Posted by Drifter
No he can't (well, not always - he's nowhere near Patsy Kensit's level of failure to deliver sharp lines) but that doesn't make him poorly written. He has a lot of depth, as shown in the Newcastle episodes.

The Newcastle episodes were good for the character but this storyline makes him appear shallow and overly dramatic. Its just a badly conceived storyline.
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Old 03-01-2006, 18:15
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I like both Paul and Ivan. I can see why Paul is a bit annoyed but I can also understand why Ivan is reluctant to ' come out' Perhaps he thinks that next week he will meet a girl he fancies
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Old 03-01-2006, 18:19
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Originally Posted by SULLA
I like both Paul and Ivan. I can see why Paul is a bit annoyed but I can also understand why Ivan is reluctant to ' come out' Perhaps he thinks that next week he will meet a girl he fancies
BUt do you think its right to take your new boyfriend who is not comfortable with his sexuality around to your family for dinner and expect them to announce to your own family that they are gay and involved with you?

I thought that was such a selfish and underhand thing to do.
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Old 03-01-2006, 18:22
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Originally Posted by Polly_Perkins
I thought that was such a selfish and underhand thing to do.
I think he was just eager to get it out in the open...Ivan didn't exactly disagree until he got to Rodney's!

I still don't see why you find this badly written, regardless of Matthew's acting.
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Old 03-01-2006, 19:52
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I agree with Polly 100%. In the Newcastle episodes the writers tried damn hard to make us feel sorry for Paul, it didnt work on me as I couldnt care for a horrible controlling know it all like Paul. The way he manipulated Emily after her break up with Paddy was disturbing, he blocked out any chance of her talking to Paddy and didnt leave her friends near her.

The idea that Ivan could now be ever interested in Paul again is so stupid, how could anyone go back to someone who acted so selfish at something that was impossibly hard for Ivan. I dont know if the writers realise that the character is coming across like this but they need to sort it and most of all they need to recast Matthew Bose with someone who can act. He is as bad as Patsy Kensit if not worse.
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