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Old 04-01-2006, 12:42
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It appears that most families that have moved into the square seem to have a lack of mothers.

The Slaters - Mum deceased
The Ferrias - Mum estranged
Deano and the Wicks - Mum unknown, but he grew up without her
Gus and Juley Smith - Never mentioned
The Allens - Mother nd sister deceased
The Moons - Mother and father deceased
Honey - Mentions father but no trace of her mother
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Old 04-01-2006, 12:46
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Yeah... I wonder why there are hardly any mums in the square,

the only mums in the square now are:

Demi Miller
Rosie Miller
Pauline
and...
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Old 04-01-2006, 12:47
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Old 04-01-2006, 12:47
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Peggy is a mum as is Sonia.

Sharon is to become a mum.
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Old 04-01-2006, 12:48
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Originally Posted by Danielle h
Peggy and Sonia
Sharon to be, and Pat and Dot have sons but we not seen them for ages.
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Old 04-01-2006, 12:49
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Hmmmm....
Think I might start a 'EE kills Mothers' thread
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Old 04-01-2006, 12:57
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Old 04-01-2006, 13:07
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Dot
Pauline
Peggy
Pat
Rosie
Demi
Sonia
Big Mo
Lil Mo
Soon to be Sharon

Kat was also a mother.

Thats half the female cast.
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Old 04-01-2006, 13:16
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Due to poor writing and planning, Eastenders is full of fragmented families. I've yet to work out exactly how Deano Wicks is related to Pat, and am still mystified as to why Jake and Danny Moon addressed Nana Moon, as Nana, when due to other details previously given in the programme, she couldn't possibly be their Grandmother.
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Old 04-01-2006, 13:24
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Originally Posted by Caramel
Due to poor writing and planning, Eastenders is full of fragmented families. I've yet to work out exactly how Deano Wicks is related to Pat, and am still mystified as to why Jake and Danny Moon addressed Nana Moon, as Nana, when due to other details previously given in the programme, she couldn't possibly be their Grandmother.


Poor writing and planning? since when where the Slaters and the Wicks family ever bad planning?

If your finding it that hard to understand why not look at the family trees on the EastEnders site.

Although your no Eastenders fan so I don't see why your even bothered.
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Old 04-01-2006, 14:10
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Whos big mos offspring then ? i know it was charlies wife but she is deceased.
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Old 04-01-2006, 15:11
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Originally Posted by ~Carla~
Dot
Pauline
Peggy
Pat
Rosie
Demi
Sonia
Big Mo
Lil Mo
Soon to be Sharon

Kat was also a mother.

Thats half the female cast.

That settles that then,
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Old 04-01-2006, 15:17
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Originally Posted by Caramel
Due to poor writing and planning, Eastenders is full of fragmented families. I've yet to work out exactly how Deano Wicks is related to Pat, and am still mystified as to why Jake and Danny Moon addressed Nana Moon, as Nana, when due to other details previously given in the programme, she couldn't possibly be their Grandmother.
The Jake, Danny and Nana thing has been explained countless times since Nana's death on this forum. Lots of people couldn't comprehend the fact that they just called her Nana, she was in her 80s and sort of head of the family so it was a sort of endearing pet name for her. Obviously she wasn't actually their Nana although she was related to them but they just called her Nana. There I've explained it to you twice now but don't ask me what relation Nana actually was to Jake and Danny because I've forgotten but if you look at the family trees on the excellent EastEnders website then you should be able to find out there.

Deano isn't actually related to Pat and this has also been mentioned several times. Pat was married into the Wicks family and has two sons Simon and David Wicks, she really liked Kevin Wicks Deano's father which is probably why she's agreed to let Deano stay.
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Old 04-01-2006, 15:18
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Lack of female characters and strong mothers I would say is one of EE big problems - although people moan about Pat, Peggy & Pauline, they are all strong women and that is what the soap is missing. They need mothers and women characters and movement away from this silly out of control gangster stuff!!
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Old 04-01-2006, 15:28
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Originally Posted by stapler
Whos big mos offspring then ? i know it was charlies wife but she is deceased.
Charlie’s wife was called Viv.

Big Mo has two children with Jimmy (Pat’s brother), who were listed on the old EE family trees as Billy and Jean. She has also mentioned that she does have other grandchildren in addition to the Slater sisters and Kat and Lynne have both referred to their cousins in the past.

Gus and Juley have also mentioned their mother before. When Juley first arrived in the square, he was accompanied by his and Gus’ stepbrother and explained that his mother had remarried at some point.

I don’t understand the introduction of the new Wicks family either, it’s still debatable whether either Simon or David were Brian’s sons and Brian was physically abusive to Pat (and a waste of space) which is why she left him and returned to the square in the first place.
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Old 04-01-2006, 15:28
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Originally Posted by Pansiks
The Jake, Danny and Nana thing has been explained countless times since Nana's death on this forum. Lots of people couldn't comprehend the fact that they just called her Nana, she was in her 80s and sort of head of the family so it was a sort of endearing pet name for her. Obviously she wasn't actually their Nana although she was related to them but they just called her Nana. There I've explained it to you twice now but don't ask me what relation Nana actually was to Jake and Danny because I've forgotten but if you look at the family trees on the excellent EastEnders website then you should be able to find out there.

Deano isn't actually related to Pat and this has also been mentioned several times. Pat was married into the Wicks family and has two sons Simon and David Wicks, she really liked Kevin Wicks Deano's father which is probably why she's agreed to let Deano stay.

Thanks for the explanation Pansiks; I haven't been on DS for over two weeks!
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Old 04-01-2006, 15:35
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Originally Posted by Caramel
Due to poor writing and planning, Eastenders is full of fragmented families. I've yet to work out exactly how Deano Wicks is related to Pat, and am still mystified as to why Jake and Danny Moon addressed Nana Moon, as Nana, when due to other details previously given in the programme, she couldn't possibly be their Grandmother.
Yeah but when they try and bring in whole families like the Ferreiras and the Millers they are never well received (by viewers).

Young, single characters are much more interesting.

Anyway it's the nature of soaps that families will end up being fragmented as actors move on.
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Old 04-01-2006, 15:38
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The Millers are very popular now. The Kings and the Baldwins also had their critics.
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Old 04-01-2006, 15:46
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The Millers are very popular now.
Hopefully. I think they're generally all right. Rosie's morphing into Pauline Fowler though.
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Old 04-01-2006, 16:07
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Originally Posted by TheSarge
Charlie’s wife was called Viv.

Big Mo has two children with Jimmy (Pat’s brother), who were listed on the old EE family trees as Billy and Jean. She has also mentioned that she does have other grandchildren in addition to the Slater sisters and Kat and Lynne have both referred to their cousins in the past.

Gus and Juley have also mentioned their mother before. When Juley first arrived in the square, he was accompanied by his and Gus’ stepbrother and explained that his mother had remarried at some point.

I don’t understand the introduction of the new Wicks family either, it’s still debatable whether either Simon or David were Brian’s sons and Brian was physically abusive to Pat (and a waste of space) which is why she left him and returned to the square in the first place.
They're not introducing any of the old Wicks clan though they're introducing a whole new one, Pat must have known them years ago and we've been led to believe that she liked Kevin Wicks who is going to be the head of the new family.

I think their main purpose is not just giving Pat more to do it's getting a new family into the show but also putting a different spin on things and having them be part of a family from the past.
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Old 04-01-2006, 20:07
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Originally Posted by TheSarge

, it’s still debatable whether either Simon or David were Brian’s sons and Brian was physically abusive to Pat (and a waste of space) which is why she left him and returned to the square in the first place.
No it isn't debatable...Simon was Brian Wicks son - made clear shortly before the death of Lou Beale. David was Pete Beale's - never in doubt.
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Old 04-01-2006, 20:44
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No it isn't debatable...Simon was Brian Wicks son - made clear shortly before the death of Lou Beale. David was Pete Beale's - never in doubt.
Never in any doubt exceptwith the EE website.
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Old 04-01-2006, 21:10
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There are a fair few, some families dont have dads.

Mum's include:

Rosie
Demi
Pauline
Peggy
Sonia
Dot
Pat
Big Mo
Little Mo
Sharon a future Mum, thats over alf the female cast being mothers.
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Old 04-01-2006, 21:16
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Not trying to pick at this, or anything, but wasn't the original point of the thread to ask about people who HAVE no mothers, not who are mothers.
Just saying, because all this stuff is actually quite interesting :]
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Old 04-01-2006, 21:19
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Originally Posted by kirstybubbles
Not trying to pick at this, or anything, but wasn't the original point of the thread to ask about people who HAVE no mothers, not who are mothers.
Just saying, because all this stuff is actually quite interesting :]
No, i think it was pointing out how many families dont have mothers therefore being a lack of mothers in EE, where as if you actually count there are several mothers in walford.

EE has always been female based, most of the strongest characters are female.
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