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Originally Posted by Veri:
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So if word goes out to agents that Endemol is looking for housemates, and that leads to clients of those agents showing up for BB auditions, is that really do different from what happens now?
Turning BB into a scripted show with actors cast for parts seems a different and much greater step. [Note that I mean actors playing roles rather than being ordinar housemayes.] [b] It's also something that could be done with auditions of the sort that BB's already been using. So the two changes (getting HMs from agents, scripting the show) are significantly independent.”
I don't think that the idea that they will literally hire real actors and give them stories to act out is a that much of a greater step at all,...and I don't think it's that different either.
Because your first paragraph that I've highlighted explains why the situation you describe in the second paragraph I've highlighted is entirely possible.”
The big step is moving to a scripted show.
I don't think it's a very big step (and I think we're agreeing about this part) to start using agents in the quest for housemates. Nor is it a very big step to start having actors for housemates. So far, BB seems to get housemates who've made some kind of stab at a music career rather than at acting, but I don't think anything stops actors from auditioning. (Perhaps Mary was already an actress of some sort? I don't remember.)
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“In fact I'd say that what you describe about housemates being supplied by agents means that this is a whisker away from actually happening in reality.”
I don't see how it takes BB much closer to using scripts.
There isn't a tight connection between using agents and having scripts. For instance, the agents might not supply actors. They might just supply the same sort of people who now go into BB. Or -- looking at it from the other side -- they could use scripts with housemates obtained in the traditional way, without involving agents. (Maybe there'd be some kind of union issue? I'm not sure what, if anything, has to happen before someone's allowed to function as an actor on tv.)
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“If you have two things going on;
1)Where BB want certain characters to fulfil certain roles, and they would like certain things to happen in the house...
2) And agents are approaching actors on their books to turn up to auditions,....
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“So if word goes out to agents that Endemol is looking for housemates, and that leads to clients of those agents showing up for BB auditions, is that really do different from what happens now?”
that's the whole point, what you posted here is the very reason why they could get away with hiring actors and the whole thing being a pseudo soap opera where actors are paid to act out situations”
There's still a big difference between wanting "certain characters to fulfil certain roles" and "certain things to happen in the house" and
telling housemates to take on those characters and to make those things happen.
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“Of course it isn't that different from what's happening now, that's the point...it's a steady drip drip effect, it doesn't happen overnight.
Look at BB6 and compare it to the very first BB...now there is more of a difference isn't there?
It's a gradual change thing that happens over time.
Over time the viewers get softened up as they are presented with changes each year over time, and are more willing to be open to accept things that they wouldn't have in previous years.
It's already been going in that direction for a while, so it doesn't take a genius to see what the next stage is in the evolvement.”
What is the relevant gradual change? So far as I know, the producers have always wanted "certain characters to fulfil certain roles" and "certain things to happen in the house". Perhaps in BB1 things were less definite, but from Dean's book and other things it sounds like the idea of characters, story lines, etc was alreaady there in BB2. So it's a constant, rather than a change.
I can imagine some gradual steps. For example, from suggesting courses of action to ordinary housemates to having some housemates who were actors in cahoots with the producers, to increasingly more scripted parts for the actors, to more of the housemates being such actors, ...
But I don't think BB has gone very far along such a path.
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