'Fur is worn on beautiful animals and ugly people'

Goes without saying with Pete then doesn't it.

Edna,why are you against PETA and their policies?.

I think they have done a tremendous job in bringing attention to the public the barbaric practices of the fur trade..

Monkey hair is being used in the production of fur products.

But whatever it's made from, the coat is fekin horrible.

When fake fur can be so well replicated now, what's the point of all the cruelty and suffering involved to obtain real fur? Unless the person wearing it wants to prove something about their status or is an attention seeking narcissist.

PETA goes overboard and I find the way they like to use shock tactics with children distasteful.

Have a read of this.

http://www.PetaKillsAnimals.com

They also caused quite a lot of distancing when they made comments about the 9/11 attacks to try and use it to their cause. But we are going off topic a bit, but if people want more - google Peta and terrorist tactics and there are lots.

I agree with you Edna about Rula, there was no mistaking her viewpoint and she did it in such a nice way that it wasn't an attack on Pete, and he clearly took it well.

Hi GG


Considering Dennis started the rumour and he seems to like winding people up, I am guessing he made it up just because he finds if funny, because he knows it will cause conflict, id do the same thing. Dennis is a very strong supporter of PETA, if that was a real gorilla coat, I doubt he would be so causal about it all, he just wanted some fun, and it seems he’s got some Based on that I am betting it’s a fake.

I am a huge fan of PETA by the way, the more animal rights groups (peaceful ones) there are the better, animals cant speak out for them selves, they need people to do it for them.

Hi Edna


There are some individuals in PETA that went over board, they have now been removed.

PETA just wants to stop the suffering of animals, what do you have against that?.

Children need to be shown the evil that is done to animals, its the reality animals suffer, do you want PETA to censor there images and avoid the reality? Animal cruelty is shocking and evil to see, harsh fact.

Take care
Faeden

There's a lot of harsh and cruel things in the world but it doesn't mean I'd agree with showing the images to children who are young enough to be seriously upset by it.

I don't like fur, I don't like bloodsports and I don't like cosmetic testing on animals (to this day I couldn't stomach clothes from Benneton being in the house because I can never forget the images from the laboratories where they tested their perfumes).

But I don't like PETA's methods or their ethos either. It's all about balance at the end of the day.

Paints a nasty picture of just another extremist animal rights group, doesnt it.
I'd like to take that article with a big pinch of salt.
I sincerely hope though that PETA are truly a reputable organisation that cares about the suffering of animals.

There is another link here:
http://www.activistcash.com/organiza...iew.cfm/oid/21

Rula said that fur coats were wrong because every animal has as much right to life as we have.

Pete asked her if she wore leather, and she said yes. Apparently that is OK because cows aren't an endangered species.

They are, however, animals, and therefore according to her, have as much right to life as we have !!!!!

I would have more sympathy for the anti-fur movement if people like Rula could be consistent and string a coherent argument together.
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No balance about it really, show it like it is, is my philosophy, and it happens to be there philosophy too, good on em I say. As long as they stick to the rules I have no problem with them.


That’s just a site that uses more propaganda that PETA does

There are some people who love the suffering of animals, they get turned on by it, but that’s why animal rights groups exist, to oppose the perverts.


Please!!! that is so obviously an attempt to demonise PETA by using something controversial and religious issues to demonise. come up with something original. The bottom line is PETA is against animal cruelty, not humanity LOL

My friend is veggie and he says he will only eat animals he would be prepared to kill himself and as he goes fishing he will eat fish. However he wears leather and when I asked if he was prepared to skin a cow he just changed the subject. But I think it is human nature to take the bits of a way of life that we like and ignore the ones that don't fit in with that (as we do with most religions).

At least he’s getting there.

I agree bevheth. Of course your friend is entitled to be as inconsistent as he chooses, and so are we all. However, if you are trying to persuade/ force other people to agree with your point of view, doesn't it make sense to have thought that out properly first?

Jodie, Rula and the others have a perfectly valid point about Pete's coat, yet they are managing to come across as so hysterical and illogical that the point is almost completely lost, imo.

The only rules PETA stick to are the rules PETA makes. Much as I love animals I won't value them above humans and I don't think anyone has the right to give a child nightmares just so they can show them 'how it is'.

Oh I used to think PETA had good aims, then I got to know a lot of people in the US and started hearing a different story.

Balance, in my world, means not becoming fanatical. Bloodsports, fur and cosmetic testing is just not necessary. Some medical testing is and humans were never designed to be vegans.

Rula just let Pete know she didn't like it and left it at that. Jodie's the one who's having hysterics and I agree that's not the way to go about things.

Shouting and screaming at someone for wearing fur isn't going to make them stop. Explaining how brutal and cruel the fur trade is might just change their minds.

But I still think Pete took the coat into the house just to cause trouble

I think Pete's coat makes him look tres similar to Cruelle De Vil, no matter what it's made of. Do you think the similarity was intentional?

I know very little about PETA but I am an animal lover. I don't use products tested on animals to the best of my knowledge. I am, however, not vegetarian and I do wear leather. I would never wear fur (it's a dead animal skin for god's sake, would you want to wear dead human skin?) and I justify the leather to myself in that cows are slaughtered for meat and the leather is a by-product of this, they are not killed purely for their skin to indulge human vanity. Humans are carnivores. So are Lions and they do not kill other animals for meat and then wear their skins. This might be an ignorant and misinformed view but it's mine. I would not throw paint or hurl abuse at Pete for his choice, but it is not one I would make. I thought it was interesting that he said he had not yet made his mind up on the fur issue and he actually presents his case in a fairly articulate (if selfish) way - I like animals but I like me more. That's his choice and I doubt anybody in the house going on and on at him is going to make him suddenly change his opinion.

Can we bring some barbaric practices to peoples attention too then?

http://www.roanoke-chowannewsherald....news/news4.txt

Oh, no, that's PETA employees killing animals...

I mainly agree with your point of view -i am not vegetarian, i wear leather but i will not wear animal fur. Everyone has a right to decide in this world, and while we don't have to agree with one another, i'm not going to go and throw paint over Pete Burns (may throw him into hairdressers to get roots sorted, though?).

That's the problem you see - we don't get to hear enough about PETA here in the UK.

Like I said, I had to get to know a few Americans who soon helped change my mind about them.

Perhaps you should look up the definition of "leather" - it's a dead animal's skin.

This complete failure to argue your point is why anti-fur protesters are viewed by many people as ignorant imbeciles who are just jumping on the PC bandwagon, without bothering to find out anything about the subject.

If they are so ignorant that they don't even know that leather is animal skin, are they really going to have any opinion regarding the animal skin trade that is worth listening to?

Actually you shouldn't have to convince anyone not to wear fur. Tell them the facts and if they haven't the morals to stop then there's not a lot you can do really.

Yeah, those immoral Eskimos....

That's what I mean about balance too. I didn't mention the Inuit but, no, I wouldn't be telling them to take their furs off obviously

So did you know that leather is animal skin, and do you wear it?

If you claim morals, then "morally" what is the difference between one dead animal skin and another?