Another great post!

But I have to say I'm puzzled as to why you have such a positive view of Jodie, given the sort of comments Jenni TH made about her during BB6, which you'd seemed to go along with, along with things you've said about some other housemates.

pete and michael were bullying her smenry. pete was smugly sitting back and watching the fireworks whilst michael went in for the kill. it was horrible. they were not trying to help her, they feel threatened that she is attracting more attention than they are, and boy, are they both attention seekers of the highest order.


we'll have to agree to differ. i dont think behaving with sexual overtness qualifies a person to be labelled "trash".

however hobnobbing with mass murderers like saddam hussein may do...

people who are violent or who condone violence are "trash", not people who get their tits out in public.

"go" to every housemate?

They were all sitting around talking.

I do respect the anti fur trade. I also think the argument about it was pretty even on both sides. Rula Lenska does do a lot of work for The Born Free Foundation and has probably held firm beliefs for a great number of years I think if Jodie's language was not so provacative she would have supported her. I still believe MB got uptight with Jodie because he can see her making the mistakes he has made, I don't think he was trying to bully her he just got far too emotional about it.

It must have been an illusion than or rigging of the highlights.

ah my old mucka veri thankyou


i cant remember what it was that jenni said which i agreed with. i was possibly guilty of judging jodie from what the papers had said. wrong of me. im only human. im working on improving myself in respect of believing everything i read in heat mag, honest

actually slappers i think youre right there. can anybody with a trainspotterish and encyclopeadic knowledge of the proceedings clarify this for slappers and i?


absolutely slappers. pete too. and rulas good at turning the other way as they whizz past her head en route to jodie.

Cheers!

I've run across your postings in a couple of Jodie threads now, and I've found them refreshingly different and usually, once I'd read them and had a think, spot on. (I'm not sure sure about the spot-on-ness of the "power of her breasts" one - I think that was yours - but I still liked it.)


I don't remember anything specific either, though, seprately, I do recall that JTH thought Jodie had had her breasts done (going just by how they'd looked when Jodie was on BBLB or something).

There was right at the start she told Dennis she didn;t like Faria because she hadn;t earned her fame... Personally I like her enough to totally disregard that and she didn;t take the same line with Chantelle so all is good...

Hoping to see Jodie saved on Friday...that should upset a few gameplans...

I wish I could. I remember them as discussing a number of possibilities; and George definitily suggested calling a meeting.

I thought the "ignore" suggestion was to ignore the coat, or perhaps to ignore Pete while he was wearing it. It wasn't to cut him out completely.

In any case, I'm tired of attempts to find Jodie doing everything that she or her supporters accuse anyone else of doing (in this case, bullying) as if that autmoatically made her as bad as them or worse.

Errr, if she did it first and they're just retaliating, doesn't that actually make her as bad or worse? Or does she have some kind of dispensation?

If someone offers advice (welcome or not) then they are patronising, if opinions clash or there is a cross word then it must be bullying. Oh and of course if you are over 40 and decrepid then your opinion or advice is of course worthless.

I have to say Moonsparkle, that if Jodie's behaviour suggests to you that she is free-spirited, then I can't agree with you.

I think BB should pull her out of the house as soon as possible as I think she's heading for a nervous breakdown - she seems extremely damaged, emotionally. The other HM's, whilst not on their best behaviour, seem to have gone through a variety of emotions with her, including sympathy, bafflement and exasperation, before finally moving onto anger.

She appears that she's crying out for approval and her behaviour suggests desperation and a need for attention and love. If her behaviour were truly free-spirited, then she wouldn't care about the reaction from people like Pete or George, but would simply concentrate on those she had built a rapport with. Instead, she uses the negative reactions to garner support from her group.

Her behaviour with Dennis, quite frankly scared me. She's often said that she prefers young boys, suggesting that she can't quite deal with older, more confident men. He's latched onto her only as a last resort when the other girls all rebuff him and Jodie, like a good girl, plays up to it. Her face when he got on top of her in her bed after the play in the kitchen, didn't suggest to me she was having a good time - she looked really despondant.

I couldn't stand her before she went in and, to be honest, was kind of hoping that she'd have a rough time and be given some home truths. I realise now, that that was like shooting fish in a barrel. I don't blame the other housemates as such because none of them are equipped to deal with someone as damaged as Jodie - their natural reaction in a group dynamic will be to protect themselves by excluding the wildcard whilst bonding - as is what's happened. I do blame us and BB for serving up this sickening spectacle as we watch someone self-destruct. I'm actually rooting for her now - I desperately hope she can pull something out of the bag that will allow her to join the group again - she's so fragile right now, she needs the strength of those around her.

thanks for a very balanced and well thought out post usiku. if only DS were always like this!


well, her spirit has been well and truly drowned atm, as was the intention of the hyenas in control of the witch's ducking stool. but on the evening of day 4, she was behaving in a free spirited manner.


i think youre right. and no wonder shes damaged. they have been on an orchestrated campaign to destroy her and then the minute she complains, howl accusations of "VICTIM!" at her.


not on their best behaviour?! thats the understatement of the year! people with the life experience of george, rula, barrymore and pete should (and do) know better. they have behaved like a pack of hyenas, ripping jodie to shreds, and, whilst surreptitiously licking her blood from their chops, prancing around joshing and jesting with one another pretending to be oh so cultivated and well mannered. its like greek tragedy, its shakespearean, its, as pjstevens said the other day, a horror show


they have indeed gone through a variety of emotions uskiu but my opinion as to which emotions differs to yours. imo they have gone through envy, jealousy, feeling threatened, insecurity, and fear to finally, yes, anger and then onto hatred.

remember where anger comes from? it doesnt come from sympathy, bafflement and exasperation. theres only one place anger comes from and that is fear.

fear leads to anger.
anger leads to hatred.


free spirited people are by nature sensitive. pete, rula and george have developed the hides of rhinoceroses. jodie hasnt, nor, i believe, would she want to. that is one thing that makes me warm to her all the more - her vulnerability.




she is desperate to garner support! she is being emotionally murdered in there!



so would i if dennis got on top of me.


are you a close friend of hers? if not, and if you have never even met her, how can you say you couldnt stand her? how can you not stand someone you have never even met?



i dont agree with you. they are choosing to exploit the fact she is damaged for their own interests.



shes not self-destructing usiku. she is being emotionally slaughtered. she is being labelled a witch and burnt at the stake.



they are not strong. they are weak. bez was strong, he stood up to the baying mob, which is why he won the show last year. preston may have the strength to do a bez, lets hope so.

She has found herself less popular than the average person in the House - oh well, it had to be SOMEone. And one or two of them gave her advice on a) her career and b) her drink problem, which they seem well equipped to do, and which appears to be necessary if not well-received.
I'm not sure where the baying hyenas slavering over her exposed entrails having ritualistically slain her imagery is coming from, but don't you think you've got it a bit out of proportion?

Great thread Moonsparkle.

I do agree that the 'oldies' do seem to have trouble with acting natural and letting themselves go. Not sure if it was just from that night...to be honest I think they had started to turn on her from the Friday morning.

They are hunting in packs though.

Only Chantelle and Preston seem to know their own minds.

If you are Michael Barrymore or Pete Burns your advice is definitely worthless.

Those two need to sort themselves out first, starting with being vicious aggressive bullies, before they try and hand on any of their "wisdom" to anybody else.

The only person punishing Jodie is Jodie Marsh sitting and sulking ot prove..well what exactly.......for 27+ she is incredibly juvenile and out of her depth in adult company ,unless there is sex on a plate .Vacuous female

True and those who think Jodie is "normal" need to have a good inward look.

I hope they hold out and don't abandon Jodie. But they seem to have been applying a lot of pressure to Chantelle in particular, which is unpleasant to watch in itself.



I think that sort of treatment can be very distressing to the person receiving it. But it's also very similar to how many in this forum seem to see things. Nothing she does is taken at face value.

I very rarely..if ever, say something rude back about FM's as I don't agree with it, but can I just reverse this and say...

Those who do not see that MB, GG and Pete are totally manipulating Jodie and the others in the house for their own means.....also need to have a good inward look at what they class acceptable behaviour too.


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I am beginning to see things from your point of view, Moonsparkle. I watched the arguement between Jodie, Michael and Pete and to me it smacked of bullying.

Although it's possible that Barrymore was honestly trying to pass on advice, eventually losing patience I think Pete Burns is much more cynical than that. Jodie did attack him for wearing that vile coat (and I'm afraid I'm with her on that one) and I think this was a chance for him to discredit her. I thought he came across as really nasty.

I'm not a great fan of Jodie's, and I'm sure I would find her incredibly annoying to live with, but I hate to see people kicked when they're down.

Moonsparkle - I enjoyed your reply, but "fear leads to anger, anger leads to hatred" is a direct quote from Star Wars, which I don't believe lends any credibility to your argument!


Thing is though, she let him believe that she was up for that sort of thing. She simulated sex with him on the counter, knowing exactly what sort of person he was. Now, I would never say "she asked for it" - Dennis was the one at fault there, but someone with more self-respect wouldn't have found themselves in that situation.


Ahh, that ol' chestnut. Quite easily actually. I base my opinion (which I'll be the first to admit is prejudicial, although subject to change) on her behaviour when I've seen her on the TV. She constantly compares her appearance with those of her detractors - surely someone that free-spirited wouldn't need to know she was better looking than her critics. Also, it seems an incredibly transient benchmark to judge oneself and one's peers by.

She worried me when she told everyone in the house that she's always being called ugly and stupid by people but she'dlike to put them all in a line and show everyone how ugly the journalists who talk about her are. Does she really think that most of them would care as much as she does?

Y'see, the main thing here, is that she isn't being judged by a group of 10 other people - she's being judged by an audience of 6 million. Her behaviour hasn't changed from her many appearances on the TV where she displays lascivious behaviour alternating with "I'm always being bullied, love me and support me" mode, which many psychiatrists suggest is endemic in those who have been abused, either emotionally or physically. So, she was already displaying these symptoms before going into the house.

And also - I'm going to have to agree to disagree on your definition of free-spirited. If you're sensitive and worried about what other people think of you, by definition, this limits your behaviour according to the reactions of others - distinctly not free, imo. For me, a free spirit would be someone uncowed by other people's opinion and not desperate for approval.

Also, since writing the first post in this thread, I've seen an article where she's talking about killing herself. This, to me, does not suggest someone happy with themselves.

I DON'T want her to win, as this would mean that she's in the house for far too long. I DO want her to be happy - I've actually got rather fond of her watching this, but only in a despairing "my teen is going off the rails" kind of mumsy way - although I'm roughly the same age.

She seems to me like a very fragile, sweet-natured girl who is damaged to the point she cannot interact normally with people without having to resort to donning a persona. I'm cringing watching her, mainly because I remember acting in a very similar way to her and being extremely unhappy whilst doing so. I also remember being bewildered and hurt at other people's reactions to me when I did similar things. However, I was 10 years younger than she is now and I grew out of it. I'm much happier and more confident not having to size other women up and wondering if I'm the most sexually attractive person in the room.

But it IS 'in at the moment it seems - J-lo, Pants Diddy et al, not forgetting a brace of uber models and faschionistas. Fur is very prevalent on the runways of the major fashion shows, pick up a copy (available to browse free in WH Smiffs) of Vogue, Harpers and Queen etc.

I don't think it's a bad thing for people to feel sad or disturbed by animals being electrocuted up the bum and other horrid things so some self-absorbed twit can wear it's pelt - oh wonder which side of this fence I'm on? I think Jodie is having a straight forward emotional response to the suffering connected to fur, she seems very ruled by her emotions and unfortunately it means she responds in an emotional way without thinking.

Pete and co, said she (JM) invited negative responses through her behaviour, fairy nuff but the same could be said of Ms Burns wearing fur, everyone knows it's an emotive thing, EVERYONE! he's put that coat on to bug people and perhaps even upset them - so deal with it Ms Burns - you've made your bed too. throwing hissy fits cause someone gave him the responses he invited is a weeeeny bit, pot, kettle and sooty arse I reckon

BTW Karl, how are the bros. Chico, Groucho, Harpo, Beppo and Zeppo?

Insightful post Usiku! And I'm feeling very much the same about JM. There are aspects - wait no, almost all of her behaviour seems to point towards some serious damage, I'd have to PM you on what sort of damage I mean, could be a bit invasive and contravine T&C a bit. But seeing oneself in terms of using one's sexuality to get attention and approval is 'textbook' - sorry to be vague I like her and feel very worried for her, her behaviour seems pathalogical to me, I'd like to see her more grounded and whole, she seems a basically sweet person and certainly not calculating like some fish lipped celebs one could mention - !) I think she's very desperate for approval and that makes me feel very sad for her