fear leads to anger.
anger leads to hatred.

Join the darkside Jodie, together we can rule the galaxy.

George Lucas - the free-spirit's philosopher.

Nobodies objecting to Jodie for being sexually free spirited but she has to live with all the people in the house and she hasn't shown any consideration for those who may not want to hear about her graphically described experiences.
Apart from that she's a moaning minnie with no capacity for self examination. Her 'problems' are all self inflicted.

Hi P.Nut!

You put that way more succinctly than my windy essays - I completely agree. Using sexuality to gain approval is textbook for abuse survivors - no need to clarify which type - I know what you mean!

I just think that less attention should be on the other housemates picking on her and more on her slowly turning in on herself. I'm dreading the night she gets out and gets booed as I think that's going to be awful for her, I think BB should get her out quickly and quietly without the walk of shame that they tend to play up. What she needs, most of all, is a good friend with a strong shoulder who won't encourage her to go out and get drunk and have sex as a method of getting over it.

If anyone's fearful in there it's Jodie. She's afraid of what people say about her and think about her- if she wasn't she could hold her head up and say I am what I am, like it or lump it. Imstead she's saying I'm not what you think I am-love me and don't be nasty to me.

There are some bloody hard faced people in that house! Infact one's so hard faced their face has no motility.

I'd really like her to have the opporunity to redeem herself, but alas I think it's unlikely. It's quite painful to watch, and I feel even worse for her that there are so many intolerant blood thirsty sharks who are working themselves up into a feeding frenzy (if some of the posts here on DS are anything to go by). I think treating an injured individual with contempt and violent language is pretty unevolved personally - but then that seems to be the prevalent response in our culture currently

She needs good, grounded and intelligent friends around her, let's hope she has some that wont feed the victim mindset and encourage some positive healthy growth in the mind department.

I'm sending good vibes, for what it's worth.

I wasn't advocating George Lucas as philosopher - I should have put a smiley at the end.

In agreement 100%.

I agree.

with regard to the op, while I think that MB, GG and PB have issues with Jodie because they think she's stealing their limelight, I can't see her behaviour as that of a free spirit. Her graphic sexual descriptions seem to be attempts at gaining attention through shock value, and maybe a cry for help. I was particularly struck when she claimed being involved in an orgy was the best night of her life - and yet the look on her face suggested it was anything but. I'm also suspicious that her remarks about sex with women are more to do with trying to identify with a male view of sex than reflecting of any real desire for women.

You're right, I do believe they're trying to grab the limelight, but then again, it's all part of the game. I would have expected most of the celebs to be hard-nosed and pretty merciless in manipulating the cameras - after all, that's why they are where they are. I just think that putting someone like JM in with hardfaced people like PB & GG is asking for trouble. They don't give a flying fart whether they win her approval and have, essentially, carte blanche to behave as they will.

She, on the other hand, needs their approval - there's only going to be one winner in this nasty little fight, and sadly, it won't be JM.

I think I'm going to start the "Free Jodie" movement!

edited to correct my incapability to write a coherent post.

Indeed!! There does seem to be a dissassocaitive glaze in her eyes when she gets into a groove about something disturbingly explicit.


I've been thinking tho' , about how it seems young women are increasingly being subtly cultured to view themselves as valued only in their ability to attract a F**k, I use that word very deliberately BTW. Watch 90 odd % of your average R&B video or ad for the latest dance album, plus the increase of wan*...lads mags. I mean, that awful, vacuous(sp?) pussycat trolls single went to number one, a little ditty about being sexually superior. Are people mad at her - JM 'cause she's living up to that role young women are increasingly encouraged to aspire to? Are they mad cause she's explicit in her sexual behaviour/language as opposed to merely implying it - think of your average Kylie vid (arse) Beyonce, what about that abysmal Black Eyed Peas number 'my humps' which basically celebrates women using T&A to induce spending in the male admirer - oooh is that not prostitution? How are these things acceptable to folk? Alot of dance routines in music vids are borrowed from lapdancing routines, pornography and focus on breasts, shots up skirts revealing buttocks and a little bit of vulval mound. No one seems particularly bothered or disturbed by it, so how is it, that it inspires admiration to the point of providing an income based on public spending yet a woman who talks the way she's basically been programmed culturally - sexually, is hated, derrided and quite possibly about to be emotionally executed for it? She's a product of our culture, I don't think it's appropriate that she becomes a scapegoat for it.

Juss musing

She was pissed, that is all. Truly free-spirited people do not need spirits to free them.

So they, putting aside any assumptions you make about their lack of needs too, ought to be compelled to like Jodie, irregardless of her behaviour and personality traits, in order to satisfy her needs?

Oh come on, people. Jodie is not being executed. She's just been voted as "least popular housemate" by almost all her peers, and possibly the GBP. And I though SHE was overplaying the victim card!
Sheesh!

"Free spiritedness" it is one way of putting it. Dangerously irresponsible to her young fans is another. It only airs at about 9 and some of her antics are really not a good influence for some of her younger fans, fun is fine splaying yourself for any guy offering is probably a wee bit inapporpriate.

To someone that vulnerable and damaged it is tantamount to emotional execution. Try some empathy, it has an interesting flavour

and here's a ner ner for you too

Not at all. They can choose to do whatever they like, just like everyone else does. I'm just making the point that, when people disagree, if one person fundamentally cares more than the other about being thought well of, then they can't win, no matter what, because they deny themselves valuable weapons whereas the other person can fight as dirty as they like.

I think that if she wants to stand a cat in hell's chance of coming across well, she needs to stop caring about it so much and play the game like the others are doing. Swallow her pride and pretend to join in and eat humble pie. That'd pull the rug out from the others feet and give her a fighting chance.

I'm not moralising, just commenting, although I can't say enough that she's on the verge of a nervous breakdown and shouldn't be in there at all.

Irregardless of my partial disagreement with you view as to the extent of Jodie's "'damage"' - which may be questionable, she cannot 'demand' that people like her if those people do not like her behaviour and personality traits.

I tried empathy, and I felt dirty.
Jeez, she's only there for a few days. It's the rest of them having to up with her I feel sorry for.

blimee theres some great stuff on this thread, cheers everyone. ive got to go off and get my man some fish and chips then go off and give my gf a shoulder to cry on, but tomorrow i will answer all this as theres some great points being made thanks for bothering to contribute such worthwhile and valid comments everyone

I agree her behaviour is inappropriate. But then wearing the pelt of an endangered species may be considered inappropriate by some, as would be having tea and biccies with a despot or asking every woman in the house for a shag and boasting about one's inability to be faithful. The thing is, only ONE person has been cornered and challenged for their behaviour. I agree wholeheartedly that JM's behaviour is inappropriate and decidedly self-destructive, I would be exasperated by such behaviour. IMO it was the way JM was challenged that really was inappropriate, if you truly have someone's best interests at heart and want to give sound advice, you don't corner them! Nobody responds well to being cornered, no matter how right the challenge may be. The first challenge Jodie experienced was in the presence of pretty much all the HMs, that is not appropriate, I don't think, it's just humiliating. I think if HMs genuinely were concerned for her as some claimed to be, a one on one conversation would have been better. None of them are skilful communicators or particularly examples of decorum, self-awareness, they're all pretty self-absorbed - hence them submitting themselves to the BB House.

Bazzamore went into a rant-lite about slagging folk of in the world of celeb, uncontrolled but very nearly wise words, he had a point, but later on could be seen with PB !) doing a pretty unkind and mocking impersonation of her, as I said earlier pot-kettle-sooty arse!

Nobody in this thread has said her behaviour is appropriate, no-one would argue that point with you, you're TOTALLY right dooode , we're musing about the reasons for her behaviour and expressing some concern about it's self-destructive aspects. Sweetie........ sweetie dahling, sorry I'm in a slighty daft mood

ROTFLMAO that's just bloody genius, yer daft bugger

As I've said in another post, I'm less convinced that she is less on the brink than you believe. I'm more inclined to think that she has faired well, in some ways, out of playing the 'victim' as her default-setting for so long that she can't appreciate the damange that can bring with it, also.

I consider Jodie to be very in control of her emotional 'instabilty' and capable of using her 'damaged' psyche to full advantage.

I think it is important for Jodie that she is 'cared' for but not in a laudable way. I believe her as viewing being 'cared for' as giving her carte-blanche...the desire for which I feel is one of her key motivations in demanding attention and demanding that she be agreed with and liked.

I think Jodie will spiral further into manipulating the 'victim/damage' aspect of her approach until she batters all into submission with it and feels vindicated. She appears to equate being bullied as being disagreed with. Only when all are too terrified to simply disagree with her, for fear of her response, will she be satisfied.

I think, at most, some of the HMs have been a tad harsh (George perhaps worse than that - slightly more concerted and calculating) but I think the majority of the analysis of her character and behaviour, as they've experienced it in the House, is spot on.

I agree with the poster who said that it was a pattern from sympathy...frustration...etc...to anger.

I believe the 'intervention' last night was done badly but bourne out of the right motives. I think they feel impotent in the face of Jodie, not because they are in awe of her "free-spirit[sic]", not because of the age divide she has tried to create and not because they are hard-as-nails-teflon-coated BUT because Jodie will twist and tangle to alway appear hard-done by.

Whether psychologically 'damaged', or not, I don't believe it to be beholden upon all the HMs to ignore her negative behaviour and faults. That does no one any favours...least of all Jodie as she would appreciate if she were to try for a little self-awareness.

I don't believe that to be a view lacking in compassion, and I speak as someone who's got the T-Shirt on psychological and psychiatric issues, I just believe it to be fair that in a group dynamic one individual ought not to command all the forbearance going for his/her own inadequacies while making others feel uncomfortable.

True, you're absolutely right, but it cuts both ways - but then none of us can 'demand', we all have our little asshole behaviours that jump out and get in people's faces, then come back and bite us on the bum. But our behaviour and how we deal with the behaviour of others is a personal responsibility. Cruel words, humiliating or cornering people is not the way to assist a person to looking at themselves more honestly.

Right! I'm sticking my oar well and truly in.

I have heard this argument go back and forth - and basically no ones going to convince the other, such is the beast of being a BB fan.

I am concerned that both camps are swaying too far over in their evaluations of Jodie in order to justify their points.

Whilst we should not call her a slag simply because of the clothes she wears, or the body language she poses , we also cannot make wild guesses that she is vulnerable, mentally unstable and damaged because we do not have the capability as a viewer to make that judgement. Only a trained psychologist or similar medic with actual contact and 2 way conversation can do this.

That was meee

I really couldn't agree with you more on this point. She shouldn't be pandered to at the expense of everyone else - if she were a limb, she'd be amputated. I think we'll have to agree to disagree on the instability issue - I can see where you're coming from and think you make some valuable points, but I believe she thinks she's really feeling all that pain she's showing.

Out of curiosity, if you think it's all manipulation, what purpose does that manipulation serve? Could it be as an attention thing, or do you see it as just clumsy media manipulation? I'm not trying to imply anything here - am genuinely interested in your interpretation.