She can;t overplay the victim card...Barrymore has most of them in his hand...

you go, girl. *cue head shake and finger snap*



Yes we can! Absolutely we can.
Is this a psychiatrists office? Is this forum taken as gospel by absolutely anybody?

Or, is it a device purely for entertainment. We put forward suggestions and they get rubbished. Such is life, and it gets the adrenalin flowing, the heart pumping and we all go home in the evening (I'm at work) feeling a little bit more smug and sanctimonious. Or I do anyway - I don't come on here to get accurate, verifiable and reliable data.

It's all a larf at the end of the day, and this is all based on my opinion. (which I know is 100% correct, but I despair of persuading any of you others to see my infallibility )

It is the nature of forums to muse uppon things tho' innit? Tis merely in our nature as humans to question and wonder.

But if it helps, big 'ead here (that' me that is )

worked for 7 years in Youth &Community and for the NHS in a sexual health centre (which included outreach work in the community) which included training in psychology, drugs, sexual health, patterns of abuse, self-harm, child-protection from professional agencies like samaritans, nhs, health promotion unit, brook advisory, world health organisation etc. and hold certificates and such in counselling and the like.

Not saying I'm specially qualified or anyfink, but if you need some credentials here are some of mine. I don't think anyone is trying to make a diagnosis here, just musing
But, tis just a forum, and people like to muse and wonder and some of us feel motivated to attempt to diffuse hatred directed against someone who doesn't really deserve it.

I agree with Deerd, I'm not quite so verbose myself though.


In a nutshell I think Jodie has to take some of the responsibility for how others percieve/treat her, when everyone you meet treats you like a pain in the ass, eventually you have to wonder if you are, in fact, a pain in the ass.

LOL. Good one.

Oh good, I certainly agreed with that view of the pattern to HMs responses...not the other which suggested it was jealousy and fear which had led to anger and hatred.

As to the purpose, at the risk of sounding a psued, I think it's been multi-layered, non-linear and manifold in purpose.

From the out-set she seemed keen to assert her position as a victim of the media and the public and went about challenging others to disagree with her position on this...she seemed to be looking for their agreement that she had a case to make. This engendered sympathy and a disproportinate amount of attention from the others towards Jodie, initially. Also, it allowed a platform to bite back at those she believes to have 'abused' her. She could abuse all her enemies in a public fora from the unassailable heights of the victim...thereby evening scores and generating even more column inches.

I think her aim was to carve her defined niche early on and grab the attention, not only of the HMs but the watching media circus and we bods on the end of our screens.

She has yet to brook any, however minor, objections by others in relation to her stated status as the victim. Indeed, phase two began when others did question whether she was really so hard done by as she vaunted.

Now she was not simply using the victim status to set her store in the House for public consumption and attention from the other HMs, she proceeded to use her victim inclinations to undermine others in the House...any disagreement with her became an act of bullying or picking on her.

People disagree...people discuss, debate and oppose each other on issues, it's part of reasoned and sentient human interaction but Jodie does not allow for this...Jodie appears to equate anything of that nature with bullying. By this point the other HMs are ham-strung. Either they swallow all the aspects of Jodie's character and behaviour that makes them uncomfortable or with which they disagree and wish to discuss with her OR they are made to feel unreasonable as bullies.

Many allowances were made, particularly given the intense nature of the House where everything is magnified and you can't just walk away.

When other HMs discussed their problems re: Jodie amongst themselves, DS labels them two-faced. If they discuss them with Jodie, DS labels them bullies. Suits Jodie either way.

Jodie, by her successful use of asserting the role of victim appears to have fully served her own ends...the others are now impotent...unable to express their feeling for fear of the response...if they dare to, they are in the wrong.

By asserting the role early on she further placed herself in the comfortable position that if more than one disagreed with her at any given time, despite how valid their disagreement may be, they would appear to be 'ganging'. Now, as several who disagree with her have made this known, they must be "a pack". Isn't it just the case that they all have genuine points of objection with Jodie's behaviour and character and have the right to express this. The fact that they've happened upon agreement is telling but doesn't make them a pack...it makes them a group of individuals who agree.

Some of the group have expressed things badly but Jodie hasn't encouraged their expression of their problems to be particularly constructive when they've approached her.

If i'm in a room with 8 Tories and they are all disagreeing with me...i'm not in the room with 8 bullies.

Sorry for the garble...i'll stop now

Exactly my point. This is what I can't work out with her. She says she is always bullied yet she is the one who is always calling people and bitching.

Please don't - I thoroughly enjoyed your post and think you made some superb points and I'm coming round to your way of thinking a little.

The "Jodie is a victim" mantra is becoming a real irritant.

Yes she is a victim, isn't she? That's the point - in all of the bullying and victimisation she's had in her whole life, we need to consider that she's the common denominator here.

Everybody doesn't suddenly start to spontaneously and simultaneously start to pick on some one unless there's a good reason for it, and seeing as this commonly happens to her, Jodie perhaps ought to look at her own behaviour before screaming "bully".

i havent got time to go through the whole thread and ive been busy all day but will go through it tomorrow....

usiku i totally disagree with you. the way that pack mentality works is, the person who is (inadvertantly, just by being themselves, whether its due to their race, their sexuality, their faith, whatever) triggering the insecurities of the one or two ringleaders is targetted as the victim and they are viciously attacked. the rest of the pack fall in behind the leaders through fear of being attacked themselves, and also because they want to increase their chance of survival by associating with the pack leaders, not the victim.

you can certainly, definitely, absolutely, get many people who are all wrong, ganging up on and attempting to destroy one person who is innocent. that is how mob rule works.

many people on here have said "well they cant all be wrong".

yes, they can, and they are.

how many people were brainwashed and terrorised into supporting the nazi party during WW2?

millions. were they right to support the nazis? no, they were wrong. all x million of them. wrong, wrong, wrong. and the victims of their acts of atrocity were innocent, they werent "asking for it", they were innocent victims. i am NOT comparing barrymore et al to nazis, i am NOT comparing jodie to a victim of the holocaust (before any trainspotters and nitpickers jump to any conclusions). i am pointing out that many people can all be wrong, and people can be victims through no fault of their own.

i have witnessed what is happening in BB atm in real life, i know what im talking about here.

whilst jodie is innocently sleeping, (she can now do NOTHING in the house without being viciously ripped apart), those vile creatures barrymore and pete burns are sitting up at 1am, eyes bleary with sleep, still at it, viciously ripping her to shreds.

why?

because she has quite innocently, by just being an upfront opinionated woman aware of her female sexuality, brought all their insecurities about their own sexuality to the fore (hence their vile and pantomime mimicing of her).

really, i cant understand why there is still debate about this matter, it is transparently obvious what is going on.

and it stinks.

Great post and I so totally agree with your sentiments. I can't believe just how many people are walking around with blinkers and I totally resent the fact that people are using the 'she deserves it' statement. What I don't understand, they say she deserves it in one breath but are dead adamant she is not being picked on or bullied in any way shape or form. If she deserves it then she is so obviously being served with something that is unpleasant for that statement to be made in the first place.

What a patronising question. The answer is irrelevant. This site is starting to mirror the anti-youth attitude of some of the HMs. The youngsters should "show respect", "no back chat young lady" and many other comments which imply you must listen to your elders and betters! I have never believed that people automatically gain wisdom as they get older. If you look at the people telling Jodie and Chantelle this stuff, they are not exactly examples of wisdom and restraint.

I think moonsparkle could be right about some of the HMs. Where I differ is in this being the only reason. I think not putting MB at no 1 in the celebrity order and the gorilla coat are other issues that influenced.

I am not young!

This is a Ladies thread

No you're right she did approach all the hms to try to get them all to ignore Pete. They all disagreed and George said it would be far better discussing it and to ask him if he'd mind refraining from wearing the coat. She was needless to say not interested in that option.

thanks vengie and offcentre.

youre right about the gorilla coat and not putting MB at number 1 offcentre.

hey, dictamus has started a thread about germaine greers article in the guardian:

http://media.guardian.co.uk/site/sto...685497,00.html

in which she is using a similar analogy to mine to describe what is going on in the house.

now germaine, if youre nicking ideas off my thread for your articles luv, i want free tickets to your gig at the sheff city hall for your speech in february please. contact me through the forum. two seats, near the front ta

(im serious)

of course, la greer is a legend and her article is brilliant, she has expressed the situation perfectly and very eloquently.

cue pete burns prancing round the house in frilly skirts, whilst raucously screeching at a cowering sexily-clad jodie:

"YES! im a LAYDEEEEEE DONCHA KNOW! A LAYDEEEEE!"

whilst barrymore grunts from his pram "yeah. 'es a laydee and 'e deserves some f**cking respect"

thats what its all about really

Thanks for that Moonsparkle, it was an extremely good read. I just think that Jodie has been torn to shreds in that house but for the life of me I could not put my finger on it as to why, well not really but Germaine Greer makes a lot of sense in that article. Jodie has not committed any crime whereby we should see her or anyone for that matter treated in this way, it's like they are playing ping pong with her and she can't do no right for doing wrong.

I think that over the last few years Jodie has taken some real hard knocks and it's all become to much for her, some things are bound to take thier toll and she is not as strong as what she makes herself out to be, if people chip away long enough, cracks begin to show which is an incentive to some (bullies) to break it down even further. I think this is what GG, MB and PB have been doing, they have seized an opportunity to break her into pieces and are relentless in what they are doing.

When BB announced who was up for eviction and Jodie was upset, Michael Barrymore is so unsympathetic that he is patronising in the way he is asking what's wrong Jodie, he knew very well what was wrong but just wanted her to say it, he somehow gets off on seeing someone else cry apart from him. Then Pete looking at her like she is a bit of muck on his shoe. From where I am sitting she is not allowed to even breathe the same air as them and that's harsh.

In a way I hope she goes tonight for her own sanity because I honestly don't think she could cope another week with the other two main bullies which are left in the house with her.

well expressed vengie, thanks.

youre correct in saying that she can do nothing right.

i was glad that she was evicted, because now she can get back to her dogs, family and friends and away from the hyenas.

her crying last night on the eviction show really touched me, and yet even then people are accusing her of crying for impure reasons. shes not even allowed to cry because shes hurt and upset.

when peoples' insecurities override a fundamental ability to feel compassion i do wonder....

Are you Pete Burns?

Me too. This is a great thread BTW moonsparkle, what you (and others) have said is very perceptive.

What a great quote.

I'm going to be 40 this year and I really have not been looking forward to it, but I shall follow your advice and continue to act like the big kid that I am. Thanks.

PS. I've still got more hair than both my brothers. Although they are over 50 now.

PPS. I also agree that, while I was never what you'd call a fan of Jodie, She has been VERY badly treated by the majority of the house.

thanks dictamus a thread is only as good as its contributors and your contributions on this subject have all been spot on.

fletch - ive written a paragraph in the novel im writing (im a writer) about this subject as its very close to my heart. i will pm it to you rather than hijacking the thread.

i believe this is one of the reasons that jodie has come in for such stick, because the three witches - barrymore burns and galloway - have not dealt well with being middle aged.