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Old 27-07-2002, 13:17
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Alex was the real winner, no doubt about it!! Since the week Spencer and him were up, it was obvious Alex was going to win, so CH4 and Endemol, did everything in their power to make him look bad and push up Jonny's image. For weeks we got, whinger, part of scheming duo, bitching, clothes horse, gangly morose model. Jonny got loveable fireman, caring housemate, comedian. This was from their own news items on their website!! Late at night Jonny and Kate enjoyed a good bitch, was it mentioned? no!! The campaign against Alex worked, I know a few people who watched the odd CH4 show, who had made their minds up that he was a whinger. They didn't see his funny moments, which a lot of us saw on E4. I also think the campaign for Jade took a lot of Alex votes away.
CH4 did not show half of the things Kate & Jonny got up to, now it's clear why.....they wanted either a first female winner or a BB devotee to win.

BB is finished, I hope Endemol and CH4 are happy with the millions they've raked in, I think they have shot themselves in the foot, come next year, I doubt if they'll get even half of the viewers. They made what was a good reality show in 1 & 2 into a complete farce. The poll on here says it all really Alex had 43% of the vote, where Jonny had less than 10%, this was for people who saw the real picture on E4 and weren't manipulated by the CH4 show. We have been cheated and taken for mugs, I bloody spent a fortune, so did my Mum, brothers and quite a few friends!! Goodbye BB you've left a very bad taste in my mouth!!

I really do feel like complaining CH4 and Endemol, but what's the point?! They're not going to care, they're laughing all the way to the bank. Nothing but Professional conmen.!!
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Old 27-07-2002, 13:26
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Originally posted by AHA

I really do feel like complaining CH4 and Endemol, but what's the point?! They're not going to care, they're laughing all the way to the bank. Nothing but Professional conmen.!!
Exacterly! But at least you got it off your chest on the forum! If you voted, see if you can get a refund!

Just to emphasise the point, C4 and Endemol et al ARE skipping all the way to the bank! And singing 'thanks suckers!'!
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Old 27-07-2002, 13:27
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Agree wholeheartedly AHA - its not about being a sore loser, but if it had always been so cut and dry about who would win BB, as it was when Alex beat Spencer, then C4 wouldnt have made half as much money.

Never mind. In our hearts, the real winner was crowned the week of the Spanky V Alex vote.

I also think a big influence was the type of people Alex fans were - he didnt appeal to the masses, because he was unique and eccentric. But he'll always have a special place in my heart.

I even feel much better this morning - enough to say, well done Kate. She won, by whatever means, so I guess for that she should be congratulated.
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Old 27-07-2002, 13:30
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No..the real winner was Kate. Hint, she was the last one in the house and got nearly 1 million votes more than the 2nd place person.
I watched E4 alot, and, although I liked Alex , I dont think he put enough into the BB experience.

I'd have loved to have seen Jade win it, because she made this years BB, but im happy Kate won, cos she also put a lot into this years BB, and I found her very entertaining and honest.
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Old 27-07-2002, 13:32
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Originally posted by metafis
No..the real winner was Kate. Hint, she was the last one in the house and got nearly 1 million votes more than the 2nd place person.
I watched E4 alot, and, although I liked Alex , I dont think he put enough into the BB experience.

I'd have loved to have seen Jade win it, because she made this years BB, but im happy Kate won, cos she also put a lot into this years BB, and I found her very entertaining and honest.
I agree, I was actually pleased Kate won, what I cant get my head round, is the fact Jonny came second.
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Old 27-07-2002, 13:44
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Originally posted by hyacinthbee

I also think a big influence was the type of people Alex fans were - he didnt appeal to the masses, because he was unique and eccentric. But he'll always have a special place in my heart.

In a way I disagree. I think a greater majority of the British public saw Alex as the star, but are not fans of the show to the extent where they would bother to vote.

Kate and Jonny appealed to the less discerning viewer that is more likely to vote and this was reflected in the overall result.

A relatively small percentage of the population actually voted and I don't think this gives a very good indication of the popularity of the housemates.
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Old 27-07-2002, 13:46
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Kate and Jonny appealed to the less discerning viewer that is more likely to vote and this was reflected in the overall result.

yes all the pre teens who got mobile phones for christmas lol I blame the parents lol
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Old 27-07-2002, 13:52
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Originally posted by AHA


yes all the pre teens who got mobile phones for christmas lol I blame the parents lol
Whereas you're showing a lot of maturity in your cross thread posting of your sorry, sad message.

I hope you do complain, it will give someone at Channel 4 a chance to laugh at you down the phone. It's a game. The winner is the one who played it best. If you spent 'a fortune' on calls and then choose to bleat about the outcome then more fool you.
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Old 27-07-2002, 13:58
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'Discerning viewer'?..what does that mean Benson?.
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Old 27-07-2002, 14:02
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The thing I didn't like about this BB, was how things were reported about events in the house. Instead of reporting things in the way that they happened, they chose to put their own slant on things, and the official site was incredibly guilty of it. One example, was when Adele and Alex were talking about the other HM's. The official slant was, 'Alex and Adele having yet another bitching session'. While, at the same time, in the lounge area, Jonny, Kate and PJ were doing exactly the same, and near enough saying the same things about other HM's. The official slant was, 'They were having a conversation about the other HM's'.

Even on the E4 ticker, it was cheeky, chappy Jonny, or whinging/moaning model Alex. The press were much to blame as well for taking this line. Take the Sun the other day. They wanted to use the quote, 'Kate is the whore of the house' but, as it was Jade that said it, they couldn't use it in it's proper context. They changed it to Alex saying it. When it was Jade who originally said that to him and Sandy. It can't be too much to ask, for the press and especially the official site, to report things correctly, and give every HM a fair crack of the whip instead of putting their own slant on things.
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Old 27-07-2002, 14:02
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I liked Alex a lot but in the end he didn’t want to win. His speech and apparent disdain for the whole thing cost him votes. Whether it cost him enough votes for him to have won we’ll never know but I personally think if he himself had shown a bit more desire to win then he could well have done so.
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Old 27-07-2002, 14:08
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Tracy

Jade came fourth, in spite of massive media backing during the last few weeks.(and I so wanted her to win!).
However, Kate deserves it, shes a worthy winner imo.
and im a complete BB addict, I watched it on e4 interactive almost continusly during my free time, and came to the conclusion that Alex is a nice guy, but didnt enter into the spirit of BB enough. thats imo, is why he lost. (so I find myself in aggrement with Straker on THAT one!! )
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Old 27-07-2002, 14:12
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Originally posted by metafis
'Discerning viewer'?..what does that mean Benson?.
The majority of the type of BB fans that actually voted weren't perceptive enough to see through the blatant playing up to the camera by Jonny and Kate. They weren't able to see that Alex was the star and Jonny and Kate had very little to their true characters. Jonny and Kate showed very little of themselves other than the false persona they wished to portray to win votes and, in general, the sort of person that votes in BB is gullible enough to buy it.
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Old 27-07-2002, 14:19
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Ok Benson, and what were your opinions of Jade then?. (who came fourth).
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Old 27-07-2002, 14:35
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Originally posted by numpty


Whereas you're showing a lot of maturity in your cross thread posting of your sorry, sad message.

I hope you do complain, it will give someone at Channel 4 a chance to laugh at you down the phone. It's a game. The winner is the one who played it best. If you spent 'a fortune' on calls and then choose to bleat about the outcome then more fool you.
I think you'll find yourself included in that laugh - we were all sucked into this farcical show. We got hooked again on the strength that BB1 & BB2 were so good - this was just a show of control, exploitation and fleecing the public for every last penny.
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Old 27-07-2002, 14:37
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I think you'll find yourself included in that laugh - we were all sucked into this farcical show. We got hooked again on the strength that BB1 & BB2 were so good - this was just a show of control, exploitation and fleecing the public for every last penny.

we're on the same wavelength!! Exactly what I've been thinking for weeks!!
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Old 27-07-2002, 14:43
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Tracy

Jade came fourth, in spite of massive media backing during the last few weeks.(and I so wanted her to win!).
However, Kate deserves it, shes a worthy winner imo.
and im a complete BB addict, I watched it on e4 interactive almost continusly during my free time, and came to the conclusion that Alex is a nice guy, but didnt enter into the spirit of BB enough. thats imo, is why he lost. (so I find myself in aggrement with Straker on THAT one!! )
I'm a self confessed BB addict, and I watched E4 continuously as well.

You've said that Alex didn't get into the 'spirit of BB'. Exactly what is the 'spirit of BB'? I see BB as a case of individuals from ALL walks of life entering the house and being themselves. It's more a case of how they as individuals confront the incarceration that they face in the 9 weeks.

Jonny seems to still stick by his belief, that the Jonny we saw in the first 2 weeks was the real him. So, now he'll have to be the jovial joker all the time. 'Cos everytime now, that anyone meets him, they're going to expect to see jovial Jonny with his one legged dance, not the 'poke them in the chest, and nut 'em if they piss me off' Jonny. I'm waiting with baited breath for the first tabloid headlines telling us that he's got into a bust up and nutted someone after he was asked to do his 'party tricks' for the hundreth time. Which he should have no problem with, as that is the real Jonny.
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Old 27-07-2002, 14:54
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I'm a self confessed BB addict, and I watched E4 continuously as well.

You've said that Alex didn't get into the 'spirit of BB'. Exactly what is the 'spirit of BB'? I see BB as a case of individuals from ALL walks of life entering the house and being themselves. It's more a case of how they as individuals confront the incarceration that they face in the 9 weeks.

Jonny seems to still stick by his belief, that the Jonny we saw in the first 2 weeks was the real him. So, now he'll have to be the jovial joker all the time. 'Cos everytime now, that anyone meets him, they're going to expect to see jovial Jonny with his one legged dance, not the 'poke them in the chest, and nut 'em if they piss me off' Jonny. I'm waiting with baited breath for the first tabloid headlines telling us that he's got into a bust up and nutted someone after he was asked to do his 'party tricks' for the hundreth time. Which he should have no problem with, as that is the real Jonny.
Seems we were all wrong!
BB entertainment to me is: getting to know the characters as individuals, their strengths and weaknesses, how they interact with one another and how they overcome conflict and difficulty - After this poor offering it now seems it is a talent show - wish I'd known earlier!
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Old 27-07-2002, 14:54
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Its over - forget about it. What the point of declaring that Alex should have been the "real" winner when he did not win in the end. He's got the Brycreem contract and as far as he is concerned a "dream" date with Tara Palmer What's Her Face , and possibly Adele, so maybe he came out of it better than Kate or Jonny. After all who is going to give Jonny a job now?
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Old 27-07-2002, 15:02
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I too wanted Alex to win but admit that the last weeks he became withdrawn and moany (not all the time but as portrayed on Ch 4 nightly program). He got really annoyed at being up with eviction that week with Tim which made him loose it. He was mad that Kate had voted him instead of Jade because he was beginning to like Kate and he thought she liked him.

If he'd kept up the same behaviour in the house as the first weeks, like when he beat Spencer then he would have had more chance. It's a shame but Alex did shoot himself in the foot.

Kate was okay, she seemed a nice person and she did encourage the others. But she is too bland for my liking.

I think that if Spencer and alex hadn't been up against each other and both had stayed Kate would have been voted out by us all sooner. I think we'd have grown tired of her hanging onto Spencer all the time.
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Old 27-07-2002, 15:05
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Originally posted by metafis
Ok Benson, and what were your opinions of Jade then?. (who came fourth).
Jade was fortunate to be in at the end. Interference from that Myagi guy, some clever editting and a media frenzy all contributed to Jade making the fnal week.

She is loud, brash and seems poorly educated, but some of the nation took her into their heart, myself included. We saw many facets of Jade's character and I think this is one of her endearing features.

After some of her atrocious behaviour did she deserve to make it to the last four? No, I don't think she did, but lover her or hate her she was an invaluable source of entertainment and I can see why Endemol/Ch4 wanted her to stay.
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Old 27-07-2002, 15:13
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The majority of the type of BB fans that actually voted weren't perceptive enough to see through the blatant playing up to the camera by Jonny and Kate. They weren't able to see that Alex was the star and Jonny and Kate had very little to their true characters. Jonny and Kate showed very little of themselves other than the false persona they wished to portray to win votes and, in general, the sort of person that votes in BB is gullible enough to buy it.
It's about time you gave up and accepted defeat. Face it you were wrong. Alex was not the star of the show. He may have been your favourite but he wasn't the public's favourite.

You talk about the sort of person that is gullible, but you are the sort of person that just can't accept things the way they are. Twist it all you like, turn it round, upside down whatever way you choose - Alex did not win BB3. You may as well be arguing that the grass was not green enough for Tim Henman to win Wimbledon.

You are beginning to sound like a child that can't get his own way. And once again it goes to show your lack of class. You are pathetic, Benson.
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Old 27-07-2002, 15:25
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And once again it goes to show your lack of class. You are pathetic, Benson.
Pot, this is Mr Kettle.

Are you two married or what?
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Old 27-07-2002, 15:25
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It's about time you gave up and accepted defeat. Face it you were wrong. Alex was not the star of the show. He may have been your favourite but he wasn't the public's favourite.

You talk about the sort of person that is gullible, but you are the sort of person that just can't accept things the way they are. Twist it all you like, turn it round, upside down whatever way you choose - Alex did not win BB3. You may as well be arguing that the grass was not green enough for Tim Henman to win Wimbledon.

You are beginning to sound like a child that can't get his own way. And once again it goes to show your lack of class. You are pathetic, Benson.
When someone such as yourself describes me as pathetic it's water off a duck's back, in fact with your blinkered view of things I take heart from it and it just adds validity to my point.
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Old 27-07-2002, 15:28
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When someone such as yourself describes me as pathetic it's water off a duck's back, in fact with your blinkered view of things I take heart from it and it just adds validity to my point.
Oh I'm blinkered?

I backed Kate - she won
You backed Alex - she lost

You lose
It's time you accepted I am the better man

Good luck in finding some reality you ungraceous LOSER
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