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This thread should be renamed..

Lets all moan about the result of BB3 AGAIN....

It's only a Gameshow.....

`REALITY` game show ....?
Not reality for sure,
did we see any of them being presented with an electric bill?
(mine was £121.00 !!)
Game Show?
definition :A television show in which contestants compete for prizes by PLAYING GAMES of knowledge or chance.

`Yesss` a game show it is

I took the one legged dance thing as something that both of them found fun and "unique" between them in the house, it's like an "in joke" between two friends.

You may not have experienced that yourself, but it's essentially an action/joke/mannerism etc. that two (or more) friends may perform when meeting up with each other or have something to celebrate. That was their chosen "thing", I'm sure if you frequent the clubs of the west end over the next two weeks you'll see them at it on the dance floor (the one-legged thing)

GMGURU sorry but i think you mean Machiavellian (Italian not Scottish)

I 'm with Cerys views here.

You've got it all wrong.

We accept fully the official result of BB3. No quibble. Kate won, Jonny lost, fair and square.

What most of the debate is about is the merits of the winners and the losers. That's fair isn't it? Just because Kate won the public vote doesn't mean that the debate as to how and why she won is off is it? Or who actually did the entertaining, who actually took the spotlight from two very boring characters, who were the real players and who simply performed their way through BB3? Who bared their true feelings and emotions to the nation, and who simply avoided emotional confrontation or simply faked emotion when the appropriate cue was given? I think these things and more are still worthy of discussion, not the fact that Kate got more votes than Alex? Good luck to the lass and a worthy case study she will make, as will Jonny, for future BB wannabes.

But we are all so proud that that entered a Game Show because they wanted to. Better that being a Nurse Policeman or Soldier.

Forget the actors if the familes are proud then at least we know where they get it from.

Do I sound like a bitter Jade Fan ???:'( Yeah but Jackie was Proud as well

I know that not all gay BB fans voted for Alex either

neither do I... why would they?

its not Kate winning that irks me.
she got the most votes so won.
So why was Adele treated so badly when she was playing the game? Yet it was ok for jonny and Kate? They bitched and talked about nominations all the time especialy on the poor side by the shower.
It's not the WHO won. It's HOW they won
so there are more mugs out there than we thought. But like i said weeks ago BB controled some people. I'd rather the hm i supported lost than won through acting though.
I hope Kate enjoys her winnings she did a terrific acting job so deserves it. she fooled millions

'let's fall spontaneously, then do the one legged dance...'

what I find interesting is that C4 showed us all that whole scene in it's full glory, and how they rehearsed it. So what we saw on eviction night and thought was a spontaneous excited act was just that... an act all along. Thanks BB/C4 for showing us that. Maybe you were trying to tell us something as a final, closing gesture, proof positive if proof were needed. Thank you!

yep, just a shame they showed us it after the phone lines had closed and it didn't really matter anymore.

Just like they showed the Kate/Jade arguement tonight and not last night...do they think that showing that would have meant less people would've voted for Kate? I think so...

I missed that. What happened.

The result of this year's BB3 has seriously made me consider the true value of 'democracy'. This year's BB3 has been a fascinating yet disturbing exercise in mass mind-control through C4 editing and media campaigns. Yet, the public clearly prefers phony over real (warts and all), and is happy with this.
This year's 'IT' gang from BB (nasty, cliquey, hegemonic)
KATE - is a phony little tart who hates women and belittles other girls to make herself seem more powerful and attractive to men, genuinely devoid of any original thinking or true feeling
JONNY - much better and more real than Kate, but still a pissed-up faker
ALISON - their great "friend"; a better person than Kate but will be ignored by her in just a few weeks from now, but Alison still a celeb-craving, repetitive pratt
SPENCER - Domineering dullard who is more full of pretentious shit than I ever possibly imagined when he was in BB house - very disappointing
PJ - Brainless twunk stuck up Spencer's arse; shame - actually has a few brain cells

Ha. Am revelling in bile - yum.

(Still gutted - roll on the REAL PEOPLE, Alex and Jade!!)

I went off Kate just after the Alison eviction which she took like a spoilt child who for once wasn't getting her own way.

She said that Alex had only stayed "because he was a f**king Armani model" and Sandy because he was Scottish and everyone in Scotland would vote for him on the strength of that.

Then only the other night after they had told each other their nominations throughout the show, Alex said to Kate that he was disappointed by her comments that he had only stayed in because he was a f**king Armani model and she blatantly denied ever saying it!!

She just said to Alex "that's such a shallow thing to say, I would never say that, I'm not a dumb blonde you know"
To which Alex replied "well your not blonde are you?"

Priceless! there was only ever one winner for me, and I know had Alex gone in week two that would have been the end of this years show in my opinion, such was the disappointment of this years contestants.

Oh and how is that then? She won get it? WON, just incase you still don't get it WON. I was unaware it was a 'Who can be most Mother Theresa Like, competition. How she went about it is neither here not there the majority of the voters preferred her which suggests the majority of the voters disagree with you.

Well, to some people it DOES matter how people win the competition. One reason being is that it may set a precedent that people might find distasteful in future Big Brothers.

Especially when you read that people don't mind the media manipulation, and are happy to be manipulated.

Actually, to be more precise, I'd say that it sets a bad precedent for ANY television programmes in the future that portray themselves as real.

You could come to the conclusion that it has been something well observed by the media, who know the effectiveness of projecting certain character types more than ever before.
I dread to think how bad some documentary type programmes may be next year.

Some people have asked if we don't mind the winner showing negative characteristics at the same time he/she is genuine as they can be.

Well this I prefer, as Big Brother is supposed to be a reality TV show. I want to see as little pretence as possible.

i'm really not being picky , but as you have oft said Kate displayed bad character traits (as a supporter of her's there were times i had probs with her). in much the same way as you may have had probs with alex.

at a subjective level, i find the term 'genuine' really dificult to pin down and as this forum has proven it has a v. fluid meaning for some.

i do not doubt that much media manipulation took place at various points throughout the nine weeks; but equally have no doubt that were one to attempt to binominally distribute said manipulation it would balance out as near as dash it.

i think it's naive, but laudable, to hope for a lot of 'reality' in a setting of that nature; therefore we, needs must, accept prize competition rather than reality show.

in the long run i doubt any of the reality shows, that makers/public alike are so fond of, reflect reality. hell, the reactions on 'changing rooms' are questionable.

i do understand the sentiment you are expressing and, to some extent wish i were not so cynical as to be unable to support it, but someone won; that makes them the winner. i don't regard it as any poor reflection on GBP - it's just 'reality'.

Deerd
guess it's just part of the whole globalization debate.

I don't say I disagree with you BUT (big but)
We can only judge on what we are shown, we can only do that on WHO we are shown. If it is a bunch of wannabes then the public have to decide is that what they want to see. If no then the program will dissappear with falling ratings; it didn't.
All and sundry speculate, with varying degrees of self importance, as to who is real who is false, who acts who doesn't. It doesn't matter it really doesn't it is a show, nothing more. Big Brother is about as real as some Eastenders fans seem to think that true to life (yeah right). It cannot possibly be reality tv, it never will be; it just ain't possible to be 'real' knowing your every move and every word is being recorded and broadcast.

(Sorry if this seems a bit disjointed - got a headache that'd floor an Elephant)

Yes, I didn't post as naively as you think,and there isn't anything wrong in your replies.

It's simply concern that BB may become really pointless and predictable to watch in the future. If all contestants gave their personality a makeover and removed the rough edges, it would be impossible to support any of them.

I'm completely aware that it's impossible for the programme makers to show us any true reality, it's impossible for them.

I'm also aware of the word genuine that I used, and I only used it in terms of a contestant remaining true to his or her character in BB as much as he/she can in those conditions.

I know, I accept that the public choose for whatever reason who they want, but it doesn't stop me from having thoughts about it.

When I talk about media manipulation, I'm not just talking about BB, but mostly all of the outside influences. It's also about the media learning more about easy ways to force opinions on people.

I know this has a lot to do with my personal feelings about media and maybe less about BB itself. And I know that I'm maybe thinking too much about it, but I still feel a slight discomfort about how powerful the mechanics of the programme have been this year.

We all know how much influence BB had on people this year, to the extent that a minority of the public felt genuine(it's that word again) hate toward a couple of housemates, and I wonder what exactly we are rewarding the winner for, when they can pretend to us who they are and use that influence get our vote.(Not meant to be Jonny and Kate bashing, just giving an example of a certain type of contestant).

I just hope that I still enjoy next year's BB4 as much as this one.

I suppose I am naive in expecting BB to be something that doesn't deteriorate too much, as many voices discard it as completely unhealthy trash now anyway.
But I do like to see how people interact in the BB house, but it's wishful thinking now I suppose, to not expect next year's housemates to be acting whenever they can. That would mean I wouldn't support ANY of them, thus losing interest in BB altogether.

It's a funny one, I've enjoyed this BB over the others by a huge margin, yet this year's has left me very cynical about the show.

I know this post may be a tad serious, but I was just left feeling unemotional this year.

Erm, did I miss something? Jonny DIDN'T win, he lost just like the other 13 contestants.

I do agree with you, I've said so (maybe not on here?) since the beginning. I too think that BB4 will be even more farcical. It is a forlorn hope that C4 will make many changes to the good. If anything they will accentuate those activites that we see as negative and I fear it will make the program even more popular with a bored public.
Next year I would like to see....

A more diverse age range, one person over 40 with the rest 20 somethings is not a good enough mix for me.

More purpose to the HMs nine weeks stay instead of the HMs merely trying to waste the days away because there is not much else to do.

More honest programming with less interference from the editing team and an hour long (at least) highlights program. The present 20 mins cannot in anyway accurately represent the preceding 24 hours.

Far stricter(er SP?) discipline of ALL HMs. There seemed to be strikes for rather petty reasons and none for seemingly serious breaches of the rules, namely covert(ish) nomination chats and blatant attempts to influence nominations.

Absolutely NO outside messages, videos or phone calls. It's only nine weeks fer goodness sakes not nine months. If a HM can't go without hearing from loved ones or hearing football results or whatever then should not be there.

No multiple voting should be allowed either as those than can afford it are at an advantage to those who can't.

The house should be more remote from the Public to stop anything being shouted over the fence. That had a Major influence on more than one occasion.

The HMs should really earn there weekly money, just as most of us have to. They might appreciate it more and spend it more wisely. The divide was a good idea but the tasks to decide who went where were way to petty. The divide also stayed up long after it's purpose had expired.

I could go on but, I doubt much, if any, will happen next year. I think we'll see an ever younger, sillier, more drunken and vain group. That seems to be what C4 'think' we want to see.

Congratulations! You are the ideal viewer!!
Watch all - question nothing.

Excellent points on major beefs this year. I can't see why there isn't more public influence over the competition since 'we' actually pay for it. There are many posters in this forum who know a helluva lot more about BB than the employees who run the show - why not have an independent body?.

Why do they have celebrities commenting in newspapers (apart from exposure) when they are too busy to actually watch more than whets the appetite? A few on BBLB couldn't even remember their names.

In the Sunday Post last week there was an interview with the chap who runs the BB helpline. He has done each series and admitted that he 'never watches the programmes' - how can he answer specific questions??

The voting system is unfair because I've read countless posts about people spending 100's of pounds during working hours - or on bets, how can this truly reflect the GBP's choice of winner?

Oh, I know Kate won .....

You are so right. Its as if Channel 4 were letting us all in on the big joke - how clever editing had protected Kate & Jonny for 9 weeks 'and now lets tell & show all you half- wits how exactly you were duped showing the two circus acts as the really are,warts and all and no stage make-up in place'

And yet there are people on this Forum who cannot understand why I STILL believe Alex is the true WINNER.

Excellent thread hyacinthbee -
-well some of us have been telling them for weeks