Actually, if we're going to be pedantic about this, the majority of the public did not vote for Kate. She may've got 3,106,077 votes, but 5,466,296 votes were for someone else!

Did you hear Kate gloating to Jonny as well. On and on about being the last two and then saying "Jade and Alex may say we're like a stuck record but those out there love us".

No one is perfect many of us may have gloated and bitched. But it didn't reflect well on Kate who is portrayed by many to be above all that bitchiness.

Did you notice that she thanked no one. Not the public, not the viewers or her parents and family..........oh sorry I forgot......she thanked Jonny and Alison. Well done my girl.

I've just watched last nights show and can't believe you don't get it! The "spontanaous fall" isn't supposed to be spontaneous, its a joke that Jonny, Kate and Alison have been saying all along! Alison did it on her eviction night too.......the whole point of saying "spontaneous fall" is because it clearly isn't spontaneuos, they're having a laugh.
So when they said they'd do the one legged dance and spontaneous fall, they weren't trying to do a contrived and rehearsed reaction to the events, they were doing their "in" jokes of the series. It would have been exactly the same as saying "comedy fall". It might be a bit silly, but it certainly wasn't supposed to look spontaneous!

And Kate didn't say "those out there love us", she said not everyone must have thought the same as Jade, Alex and Sandy, which is true otherwise they wouldn't have been in the final 2.

hyacinthbee

you are right on all counts

Kate won - no arguments there - but I can't help gloating at the Kate and Jonny fans who spent 9 weeks defending how these two were not faking it the whole way through.

They are actors: they act.

The use of the word "spontaneous" for something that was clearly preplanned and staged at first sight appears paradoxical. But remember, to ACTORS this was just a "stage direction" like "show surprise".

The bit that was on C4 last night that everyone else seems to have missed - yet which was picked up by the media as a cute "natural" reaction was when kate offered Davina the punch.

On C4 I clearly heard Jonny whisper "don't forget to offer that to Davina"

Note: kate won, she got the most votes.
But if her supporters though they were voting for her not the character she was "in" they were mistaken.

Most of those votes had to have been made when the evictions had already started.

When Jade was evicted she had 20% of the vote only leaving 80% between the final three. They were pretty equal at that point.

Even if Alex had only 21% at that point (take lowest possible) leaves only 59% between Kate and Jonny.

Alex was next to be evicted with 27% at that point leaving 73% between Jonny and Kate.

If they had just closed the phone lines from the start of the first eviction instead of leaving them open for people to switch their vote or carry on voting later for their chosen one to get more money, the end result may have been different.

As I've said above, the whole point of the "spontaneous fall" is that it isn't spontaneous! It reminds me of a French and Saunders sketch where they talk about a comedy fall! Its funny because its clearly not spontaneous.
If they'd have said, lets cry, then hug, then fall onto the floor and look overwhelmed, then yes, that would have been "stage direction". The fact that they kept on saying lets do the one legged dance and the spontaneous fall was because they had planned to do a silly thing after the results were announced, and the dance and fall were something that J, K and Alison had been doing all along.

When Jonny said "don't forget to give that to Davina" he was talking about a photograph that they've had of her all through the show. Jade was going on about it earlier on in the evening.

If 'someone' else got 5,466,296 they would have won.

I can be pedantic too ya know!

The fact that they do this 'spontaneous fall' that isn't spontaneous shows their lack of spontaneity and everything that they do is contrived.

Why can't they act naturally for once? Why the inability to stop performing? It is a sad reflection on BB that the 'actors' have come out on top and a precedent has now been set. The BB producers said that they were trying to get away fro the wannabe housemate this year, clearly they have failed. If I want to see a performance I watch a soap or go to the theatre, I don't expect it on a high profile 'reality TV' game show.

If you look at almost all of Jonny and Kates so called “funny” moments throughout the entire series, then slightly ‘rewind’ back to just before the moment took place, you would more than likely hear Jonny or Kate say something like, “SHALL WE do this - or – SHALL WE go and do that – or - LETS go and strip, LETS go and..”

The point is that every ‘fun packed spontaneous moment’ that has come out of the Jonny or Kate stable of comedy was really pre-planned and thoroughly thought out before it took place. There was never any spontaneity, but CH4 viewers who did not have access to E4 were under the impression that it was all genuine, so in that respect we cannot blame the public for being taken in.

Kate and Jonny ‘acted’ the game better than many of us gave them credit for. We believed that the majority of the public would see through their act, but we just have to accept that a large portion of the public are ‘easily led’.

Yes, that is indeed how they managed to coordinate thier "spontaneois moments".


Imagine if jonny had got up for the 100th 1-legged dance and his partner had not spontaneously joined him - no one else took any notice. He would have looked a ****.

True spontenaity means being natural, going with the flow, not discussing "giving them something to watch", spotting which cameras are on first to give them the side-on view.

Kate won - BFD

I don't know if you've seen it but check the thread about Jade's exclusive.
Apparently, according to the Sunday Mirror, Jonny saved Kate's life by putting her in the recovery position on the night she was semi-conscious from the booze.
It said that Jade was in bed, when we all know it was Jade who stopped them and suggested that Kate had enough.

It scares me that people are actually going to believe this BS in the papers as well.
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I seemed to recall her on the stage at the end, Davina asked her howshe did it or who to thank and she said, thanks to all the people around me here, and was surrounded by her sisters, mother, father, friends. You really just can't help but keep putting the knife in in last ditch attempts to discredit her. It makes me laugh

There comes a point when you simply have to accept that the ‘majority’ felt more inclined to accept Kate and Jonny than they did Alex and Jade.. no matter if they acted or not.. Jonny and Kate were the simple choice for 'simple people', right slap bang in your face with instant cartoon humour that gave ‘the majority’ exactly what they wanted when they wanted it...

You can hardly blame them for tapping into the public consciousness and delivering the kind of performance that took them right to the very end of the show, surely? The problem is with the public and how naïve/superficial they are.. at the end of the day the losers in this are the public because we have been tarnished with their choice of winner..

Ho ho, another post trying to increase your own self importance. Trying to put down all the Jonny and Kate fans as "simple people", another sweeping generalisation which should be ignored. It's probably true alot of people voted for Jonny and Kate because of their "acting" and playing around. I'm sure some people voted for them because they thought out of the four remaining, they would be the two that they would be able to get along with. There are many different reasons why people voted for them, and the term "simple people" doesn't come into it.

You say "The problem is with the public and how naïve/superficial they are.. "

The next sentence you say "the losers in this are the public because we have been tarnished with their choice of winner.. "

Notice the use of "we" in the second sentence, Yes, you are the public (naive/superficial)

I so agree, I was gutted when Jade came 4th. I thought Alex would definately win too. When Alex came out I txt voted Jonny so many times and they came back on Saturday morning saying lines are closed!!!! Fix??? I have never seen someone sob so much and yet not shed a tear...Three cheers for false Kate eh!!!!

You mean Davina had to ask her who to thank?! Like a hint? WOW!

Yes, because I and others have been tarnished with the same brush… I fully accept the result because it’s full and final – but that does not mean that the right person won at the end of the day.

“You can fool some of the people some of the time, you can fool some of the people all of the time, but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time.”

You have been fooled “all of the time..” – some people were originally taken in by Jonny and Kate and came to their senses at some point (“fooled some of the time”) .. I can take great delight that I was never fooled for one moment.. can you?

It makes me laugh how everyone keeps going about the majority...we all know multiple voting went on...so think about it, Kate got 3,000,000 votes, that could have been broken down into 300,000 people voting 10 times. May not have been so, but I know most of my friends and family voted quite a few times for Alex, so by taking the multiple voting factor again, at 10 times per person, that's only 180,000 people. Out of 10 million viewers, hardly a majority of the viewing public. Something about the figures just dont add up, well that's my humble opinion Before everyone starts attacking me I know Kate & Jonny were the final two, I dont think they got there fair and square, but good luck to them...they'll need it lol(a wee joke!!)

hmmm...Kates eyes were dry?. I guess you must have missed the close up when she was on her own in the house, and which they repeated on ch 4 highlights on saturday then.

Kate won...good for her. Jade should have won imo, for providing the best entertainment, but I think some people are getting too much of a case of sour grapes now.
I think Kates emotions where genuine at the end , and fgs, the girl was in shock at winning.
btw.EVERYONE puts on an act depending on the situation they are in. you dont behave the same way at work as you do in the pob.(well..most dont!), in social situations we all show a facet appropriate to the situation.

so...Well done Kate...good for you, enjoy it while you can girl.

I didnt miss the close ups - however, she probably thought the camera wasnt on her at that point - after all they were interviewing Jonny - but when she was 'sobbing' into Jonny's shoulder, she knew that that moment would be replayed again and again.

A false reaction from a false person.

MANIPULATION!

On the channel 4 highlights on Thursday, they showed the arguement Jade had with Kate about wearing revealing clothing (shorts, bikini's etc). They showed the begining and the end of the arguement but NOT the crucial part of the arguement where Jade accused Kate of being two faced because she played follow the van with Alex and then went into the diary room and nominated him.

On Saturday the showed the footage again in an hour show called the unedited footage, stuff that had not been shown before in the highlights.

In this last episode they showed that part of the arguement that she had with Jade in which she called Kate two faced and manipulative.

Why did they not put this in the Thursday show. They dedicated at least 7 minutes to showing Jade and Kate arguing over who wore bikini's more. Showing the trivial side of the arguement instead of highlighting the crucial important part which could have swayed people's votes away from Kate.

I suspected what they were up to when Dermot O'Leary heard reports that Jade and Kate had an arguement earlier in the afternoon and one of the producers came out and trivialised their arguement and did not mention anything about Jade's accusations.

I can't really agree that I've been fooled at all, for one point I didn't vote at all

You were fooled by Alex into voting for the loser.

btw the first sentence of that saying is "You can fool all of the people some of the time"

What are you talking about? The C4 highlights on Thursday were from Wednesday's action, the argument happened on Thursday!!!

Even when we saw the "full version" last night, I think Jade came off looking worse anyway. Kate may have nominated Alex, but she didn't slag him off and bitch about him constantly like Jade did. That was the point Kate was trying to make, Jade only retorted with the follow the van argument after being told by Alex that it had pissed him off.
Kate was obviously worried about the comment shouted over the fence and Jade just made matters worse by going on about Kate always having her "arse out" (which I don't particularly think she did by the way).

I thought Jonny's comments to Jade about taking one thing away from the house were spot on though......wish we'd seen more of this from him in the series.

But that's beause Kate ASKED her, Jade did NOT start the argument but it was Kate who came to her about it!! When Kate heard the shouting she had NO BUSINESS making it an issue by *dragging* Jade into it. She could have moaned about it with Jonny if she wanted. What Kate did was CHILDISH! She wanted to say to the viewers "Hey look you should have shouted that to Jade not me".