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Old 28-07-2002, 10:51
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Originally posted by Straker
The other HMs don’t have to worry about their reception as they weren’t booed on the night. If it were me in Adele or Tim’s position I’d want to minimize that unpleasant reaction in future and if a simple apology would do that, then I’d apologise.
If the only way to avoid being booed by an ignorant angry mob is to "act like a complete d*ckhead" then sadly I would just accet the boos.

The arrogance in that house, the real self-centred selfish arrogance was from Jonny (not Kate) who made it abundantly clear that he felt he was superiour to anyone who did not find his antics funny. His humour was not about team building: in-jokes seldom are. His pathaetic little routines were as much to exclude other HMs as they were to place himself centre stage.

Indeed, it was noted frequently how the instand any other group of HMs was getting attention from the cameras he HAD to walk centre stage and go into clown mode.

That was NOT being freindly, funny and part of the group: it was out and out attention seeking greed.

Or not ...
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Old 28-07-2002, 10:52
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Adele was no more two faced than Kate, Jade, Alex or Jonny. They all bad mouthed the others behind their backs and still acted pally with them to their faces.
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Old 28-07-2002, 11:01
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Originally posted by fatherjack
People dont like those who make personal attacks on others, those who got booed where guilty of this
Spencer and PJ made personal attacks on Alex (his sexuality and manhood), yet they were cheered. There, your theory goes down the drain.
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Old 28-07-2002, 11:40
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Originally posted by observer

Spencer and PJ made personal attacks on Alex (his sexuality and manhood), yet they were cheered. There, your theory goes down the drain.
( wormy little impostor )

Wrong! each HM made attacks at some time or another, what I was referring to was the systematic 'game playing' tactic of bullying in adelles case and blatant subterfuge on Tims, both utilising personal attacks.
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Old 28-07-2002, 12:59
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I find some of the rationale of the above posts astounding. Come on let's be honest. Adele crime was not that she so-called 'back-stabbed' per se but that she had the temerity to back stab Jonny. Adele blatantly and openly hated jonny - there was no subterfuge about that - she consciously stared at a camera and stated it knowing full well that the viewers could see and hear it. What jonny fans really disliked about Adele was that she threatened (by strategically forming alliances and harping on about his faults) jonny's chances of winning. It was noticeable that jonny fans ditched Jade as an evictee in favour of Adele because they feared that if they didn't get her out that week she would find some way to stay un-nominated (she was already trying to build bonds with Kate). As a lot of posters stated 'Jade could wait for the following week'. If you are going to 'slate' a hm please have the honesty to state the real reasons rather than make up spurious claims of 'evil', 'bitch' 'two-faced' etc etc that were flying around the forum at the time. Adele's eviction was not pantomime (which is good natured), it was manufactured hate, pure and simple of the most malign kind.

The fact is that it became a crime in the house and outside to be seen to be criticising jonny in any shape and form. It's, therefore, no accident that those who openly disliked jonny were the ones that got booed the most. Alex twigged it, commented on it, and consequently feared for his own eviction. The booing by jonny fans became a means not only to influence the public vote but to intimidate those hms remaining in the house. Unlike a lot of people I don't think jonny's fan base are 'thick' (well not all). They knew exactly what they were doing, ie aggressively campaigning for their chosen hm. What I can't stand is the hypocrisy (now as then) as they tried to disguise their strategy by a character assassination of Adele.
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Old 28-07-2002, 13:06
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Originally posted by Tess
I find some of the rationale of the above posts astounding. Come on let's be honest. Adele crime was not that she so-called 'back-stabbed' per se but that she had the temerity to back stab Jonny. Adele blatantly and openly hated jonny - there was no subterfuge about that - she consciously stared at a camera and stated it knowing full well that the viewers could see and hear it. What jonny fans really disliked about Adele was that she threatened (by strategically forming alliances and harping on about his faults) jonny's chances of winning. It was noticeable that jonny fans ditched Jade as an evictee in favour of Adele because they feared that if they didn't get her out that week she would find some way to stay un-nominated (she was already trying to build bonds with Kate). As a lot of posters stated 'Jade could wait for the following week'. If you are going to 'slate' a hm please have the honesty to state the real reasons rather than make up spurious claims of 'evil', 'bitch' 'two-faced' etc etc that were flying around the forum at the time. Adele's eviction was not pantomime (which is good natured), it was manufactured hate, pure and simple of the most malign kind.

The fact is that it became a crime in the house and outside to be seen to be criticising jonny in any shape and form. It's, therefore, no accident that those who openly disliked jonny were the ones that got booed the most. Alex twigged it, commented on it, and consequently feared for his own eviction. The booing by jonny fans became a means not only to influence the public vote but to intimidate those hms remaining in the house. Unlike a lot of people I don't think jonny's fan base are 'thick' (well not all). They knew exactly what they were doing, ie aggressively campaigning for their chosen hm. What I can't stand is the hypocrisy (now as then) as they tried to disguise their strategy by a character assassination of Adele.
( wormy little impostor )

This had nothing to do with jonny? Adelle slagged of a lot of people, sophie, kate, lee, pj etc.! She was/is a nasty piece of goods, end of story. I have read a post saying maybe she didnt realise she was being recorded!!!!! oh yeah, obviously!
There were no 'crimes' committed in the house just that which people found acceptable or not, adelles behaviour was judged more unnacceptable than jonnies.
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Old 28-07-2002, 13:22
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The only problem is being back-stabbing and bitchy is not illegal. Thousands of us do it every day.
Pouring more alcohol down an already drunk friend's throat isn't illegal but is morally reprehensible.
Encouraging that person to strip naked when she quite obviously didn't want to probably is illegal and in my opinion made worse by the fact that Jonny did it to someone who liked and trusted him.
Being drunk himself is no real defence especially as he was so completely obsessed by getting himself and anyone else, but mainly any women in the house, naked at every available opportunity.
Kate was way beyond the stage of saying no to anything. Thankfully Jade wasn't and I hope that one day Kate and probably Jonny too have the good manners to thank her for it. Jade had many faults but she behaved well that night and probably saved Kate, Jonny and Endemol a lot of embarrassment by her actions. If she hadn't stepped in I suspect someone from behind the cameras may have had to intervene.
Are you still convinced by your argument ? If not then you are beyond hope.
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Old 28-07-2002, 13:24
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Fatherjack, are you a mindless child? Your comments really are ridiculous and somewhat immature.

I was never a great fan of Adele's but even I will admit that her crimes in the house were trivial if anything.

She compared PJ to Iago from Othello and said he was sly and crafty. BIG DEAL. Called Jonny a "sly ****er". RUDE and uncalled for perhaps but hardly the awful transgression that you are making it out to be (how many times have you sworn at someone behind their backs). Called Lee childish (well, he WAS) and Kate "dodgy".

The Sophie bullying was out of order but no worse than what Tim and Jade did to her (and Tim OPENLY ridiculed her in his bullying jibes). Adele made disparaging remarks about her behind her back - that is not bulying.
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Old 28-07-2002, 13:28
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Originally posted by Tess
I find some of the rationale of the above posts astounding. Come on let's be honest. Adele crime was not that she so-called 'back-stabbed' per se but that she had the temerity to back stab Jonny. Adele blatantly and openly hated jonny - there was no subterfuge about that - she consciously stared at a camera and stated it knowing full well that the viewers could see and hear it. What jonny fans really disliked about Adele was that she threatened (by strategically forming alliances and harping on about his faults) jonny's chances of winning. It was noticeable that jonny fans ditched Jade as an evictee in favour of Adele because they feared that if they didn't get her out that week she would find some way to stay un-nominated (she was already trying to build bonds with Kate). As a lot of posters stated 'Jade could wait for the following week'. If you are going to 'slate' a hm please have the honesty to state the real reasons rather than make up spurious claims of 'evil', 'bitch' 'two-faced' etc etc that were flying around the forum at the time. Adele's eviction was not pantomime (which is good natured), it was manufactured hate, pure and simple of the most malign kind.

The fact is that it became a crime in the house and outside to be seen to be criticising jonny in any shape and form. It's, therefore, no accident that those who openly disliked jonny were the ones that got booed the most. Alex twigged it, commented on it, and consequently feared for his own eviction. The booing by jonny fans became a means not only to influence the public vote but to intimidate those hms remaining in the house. Unlike a lot of people I don't think jonny's fan base are 'thick' (well not all). They knew exactly what they were doing, ie aggressively campaigning for their chosen hm. What I can't stand is the hypocrisy (now as then) as they tried to disguise their strategy by a character assassination of Adele.

Well said - even now, with everyone out of the House those of us that dare critisize Jonny are belittled, abused & villified by the Jonny fan club in these forums.
What is with these people ?
And whilst doing all this they have the nerve to call us undemocratic !
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Old 28-07-2002, 13:29
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Originally posted by fatherjack
I was referring to was the systematic 'game playing' tactic of bullying in adelles case
You don't believe this crap do you?! Ok, tell us exactely about this 'game playing' tactic of bullying !! How?! Then we decide if other HMs who haven't been booed, fall in the same category.
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Old 28-07-2002, 13:30
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Originally posted by BB.Watcher
Fatherjack, are you a mindless child? Your comments really are ridiculous and somewhat immature.

I was never a great fan of Adele's but even I will admit that her crimes in the house were trivial if anything.

She compared PJ to Iago from Othello and said he was sly and crafty. BIG DEAL. Called Jonny a "sly ****er". RUDE and uncalled for perhaps but hardly the awful transgression that you are making it out to be (how many times have you sworn at someone behind their backs). Called Lee childish (well, he WAS) and Kate "dodgy".

The Sophie bullying was out of order but no worse than what Tim and Jade did to her (and Tim OPENLY ridiculed her in his bullying jibes). Adele made disparaging remarks about her behind her back - that is not bulying.
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BB are you an alcoholic? you seem to be having trouble reading what I said, No crimes were committed! Yopu also trivialise Adelles attempts to discrdit HM's but I think you may harbour less benevolent opinions about Other HM's and in particular Jonny!
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Old 28-07-2002, 13:35
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I believe it is you who has the blinkers on if you honestly believe you can assess a person's true character by their actions in a reality television GAMESHOW.

Naive is not the word...
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Old 28-07-2002, 13:39
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Originally posted by BB.Watcher
I believe it is you who has the blinkers on if you honestly believe you can assess a person's true character by their actions in a reality television GAMESHOW.

Naive is not the word...
( wormy little impostor)
Adelle shrewedly went around gauging HM's opinions about other HM's then armed with this info fed jade all the bullets, jades mouth did the damage but jade got the flack! Cowardly as well as devious! the public saw this adelle was out..history. Since then jade has been a different person and her popularity has gone up!
Adelle got what she deserved! Live with it!
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Old 28-07-2002, 13:42
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Originally posted by BB.Watcher
I believe it is you who has the blinkers on if you honestly believe you can assess a person's true character by their actions in a reality television GAMESHOW.

Naive is not the word...
(wormy little impostor )
Oh yes, assess a person true character form a game show!!! I have never done this, I cant. I have used what info I have observed to assess Adelles position IN THE HOUSE. If we cannot assess in this way how are we to decide who to evict?
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Old 28-07-2002, 13:42
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*YAWN*

You live with the fact that she was evicted weeks ago but that you are still somewhat obsessed with her.

How seriously are you taking all this?!

How very SAD.
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Old 28-07-2002, 13:49
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Originally posted by BB.Watcher
*YAWN*

You live with the fact that she was evicted weeks ago but that you are still somewhat obsessed with her.

How seriously are you taking all this?!

How very SAD.
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Im taking this seriously?????? your the one calls indescretions crimes!!!!
and you are the one that cant let go of the fact that she is out, me, i won £30.
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Old 28-07-2002, 14:00
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Originally posted by fatherjack


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Im taking this seriously?????? your the one calls indescretions crimes!!!!
That is because you are making them out to be that way.

"She was/is a nasty piece of goods, end of story."

Hmmm.
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Old 28-07-2002, 17:23
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Originally posted by fatherjack


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Im taking this seriously?????? ..and you are the one that cant let go of the fact that she is out, me, i won £30.

At last, your honest reason becomes clear...... Instead of continuing to vilify Adele's character why not just say that you voted her out to make some money (as many people did but disguised it as 'moral' judgement). Some people might not agree with it but at least it would be honest and a lot less harmful to Adele than silly hysterical cries of 'bitch' 'witch' 'backstabber' etc etc..
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Old 28-07-2002, 18:32
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I am not only a fan of Jonny & Kates, but Alex's too. What a lot of Alex fans seem to overlook is the damage Sandy, Adelle and Tim did to him. S & A from the start were not honest to Alex as they didn't reveal their true persona's to him. They never liked Jonny from the outset and used the weegate incident to poison Alex's mind against him and others. Alex's mixed up emotions in the house in my opinion were caused by them and Tim continued this. Everytime Alex had an argument the words he spat out were their words. S, A & T manipulated Alex and their friendship to him was for their own means and therefore in my eyes false. Adele stated many times and well documented that there was no way she could think of Alex in a romantic way and when on her interview saw her saving grace in the supposed romance between them. I'd hate to think what was going round in his head when the true Sandy was revealed on the final show and the ridicule that is going to come to Alex over this. If Sandy thought anything of Alex he would never of said about wanting to crush Jonny's hand or peed in the bin knowing the stance his friend held on the weegate incident. Adeles bias against other people led Alex to not trust anyone and they always came back to haunt him. Her way of survival was not to be nominated and pushed the nice girl act onto everyone in the house. She was not being honest, but what she accused Jonny of being an actress and a nasty little piece of work. If anything lost Alex vote's it was who he associated with. Jonny ans Kate brought out the best in Alex and Jade not Sandy Adele & Tim. One last thing being booed is verbal and something the HMs were warned about (along with the fact it would be the controversion editing shown) at least they wern't stoned and they live to rue the day.
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