That'd be me then!

I tried to be polite about it. But I don't like half a story. I don't believe alex would have just gone up to her for no reason, just as I wouldn't have believed it of the other HMs had gone up to any of the others and done the same.

But in this case we are talking about Alex and Kate

I think if there is any truth to this story, that it would have been more about Adele than himself not winning. More than likely the way the she was put across, when kate was just as bad and she won and it, was ok for her to do it. Yet Adele got booed for playing the game well. yet Kate gets praised.
Alex was very upset how she was treated remember!
I'm just speculating, but alex wasnt fussed about winning so much. He just didnt want Jonny nor kate to win
so after a few drinks and Kate as usual being drunk, sparks may have flown. I bet the night was very emotional for everyone and bound to get a little heated after all the stress they all went through.

Well if it is true there can be only one explaination. Alex has been to the same greengrocers as a lot of people on this forum and bought a lemon and some grapes (bitter and sour respectively)

I was probably a bit abrupt. I just see post after post putting a spin on contestants that I just dont see at all. Maybe we are all putting to much emphasise on relativly minor points of the hm's and blowing them up out of all proportion, I do it myself sometimes. I was so so gutted when Jade came fourth, that I switched off the tv as soon as her name was announced and went and played 'midtown madness 2' for 20 minites!. Missing Jades interview completely!!. I wished id watched it now.
However, I settled down a bit after that, watched the rest of the final and really enjoyed Kate winning and her reaction to winning in the end.

But if posters didn't have different spins it wouldn't be much of a Forum.
However, I get annoyed with the troll type posts and the out and out abusive ones. Don't tend to respond at all to those.

BC
is MM any good. i think it came bundled with my PC, but haven't tried it out

You fool!! Jade's interview was great!! Last night's show with Jade in the diary room thanking BB, was classic!! She would have done herself a lot more favours if she acted like this throughout the series, she came across as really sweet, she was lovely!!

Tabloid spin probably, but, call me shallow, I hope it's true!

I raced to the papershop today but with one exception (bless you Jade) I have been dissapointed with the follow on stories.
Kate likes Spencer (well, yeah), Alex to bed Adele (yeeuch), PJ's 100 women (yeah!) Spencer and the Porn Star (mmm as if!). Boring.

I liked watching Alex but I don't think he deserved to win. I don't even think he wanted to. So if there was a fight/argument my guess would be it more about Kates rejection of him. Otherwise why would he bother with her? I think Alex and Kate need to get something out of their systems to move on.

...Just MY spin

Most the sunday papers are presenting their stories on what was either said by the housemates before they left the house or what was said in interviews adding a little extra and reporting them as fact. Alex and Jade said all this in the house what was reported in this article and if it did happen then all the other papers would have had it on headlines. Its the same with the Adelle story being blown up out of proportion about him determined in bedding her as fact. Alex never committed himself to her either in the interview or conferance. He also said he wants to see the footage to see what come across. I think he is sensible enough to take things on board before he makes any plans with Adelle or accuse anyone of being two faced. I think he will be more upset over the Sandy incident and realise how two faced he was judging by his principles. I admire Alex very highly eventhough I wanted Kate or Jonny to win and frankly my fave three were the top ones. However once Alex has had time to view his stay more rationaly and dosn't see the damage Sandy, Adelle and Tim did and how they manipulated him and Jade for their own backstabbing cause and then continues to critisise Kate & Jonny then I shall lose all respect for him.

True.... we don't know exactly what was said, or how, but it is perefctly conceivable that Alex brought up the bit about her acting out her part in BB, and thus being 2 faced - will the REAL Kate stand up? I have known at least 2 ppl like Kate (and Jonny) who act up their life all the time - sad individuals. I would prefer Alex as my mate warts and all - at least you know he is for real, not some thing acting the part for the occasion. But like papers do, they see a story where none exists and embellish it out of all proportion.

No, clearly nominations were part of the game. Tactically, Kate played a fabulous game. But I think Alex is entitled to feel taken for a mug. He was manipulated by Kate (and others yes, he is naive but loveable, all the same). I think he felt he and Kate had got closer and that Jade was the the "two-faced" one. After, having his "blinkers" removed, I guess he was upset and, I for one, don't blame him. quote

The only people who manipulated Alex was Sandy, Adelle & Tim
I think Kate genuinely had feelings for Alex. You can't blame her for putting her loyalties to Jonny over him as they had a true bond of friendship and didn't knoe Alex as well as she would of liked. All through their love/hate relationship Alex backstabbed her and played Hot & Cold with her. Of the last two nominations Kate made The 1st was 2 days before she ever played follow the van with him and she clearly stated that eventhough her and Alex were becoming friends the reason she was nominating him was because of all the HMs left after nominating Jade he was the only one she had ever had issues with. The last nomination she stated he needed to lightenup and that of all the HMs that were left she got on with him the least. If you look at was happening a few days prior to these you will have noticed the hostility Alex had towards Kate Jonny and Jade not hidden unlike backstabbing Tims. She also thought that apart from Jonny no one wanted her to be there instead of PJ. However she never heard Alex say that he would of prefared Kate to PJ when he was talking to Tim. I think what they will both have to do is have a one to one a few months down the line and redress their issues with eachother as this goes far deeper than just playing a game. All in all neither have played a tactical game and to accuse Kate of doing so is wrong when you refuse to look into peoples feelings.

If there had of been any fights surely wouldn't it of been between Jonnie & Tim once he found out what he had been saying about him Kate and Jade. I know Jonny's parents were very upset at what Tim said

Especially since the Sunday Mirror reported today that Kate was 'dramatically saved by Jonny' last Tuesday night when she passed out. What incredible tosh, they failed to say that he actually had her in a stranglehold trying to force more drink down her throat. Quite unbelievable.

They may have played follow the van that one week, but they still had trouble being alone together in a room and having a decent conversation... They always needed a third party involved such as Adele to feel comfortable, where as Kate got on well with everyone else apart from perhaps Jade, who she also nominated that week...

And the week when Alex and Kate really did seem to be getting on better was the week PJ and Kate were up for eviction. Once they had suggested to her that something was going on between her and Alex, they both seemed to back off, and two groups were formed... Jade, Jonny and Kate, who would go off and try to have some fun, and Alex & Tim who would whinge about them.

Kate said herself she really struggled that week choosing between Jade and Alex... Had she nominated Jade, she would have been called two faced, and had she nominated Alex she would have been. She went with Alex, and now she's being labelled all sorts.

A shallow part of me would love for this story to be true... And that part of me looks back at things Alex said, his Dad has said, and things Spencer had said about Alex on Little Brother, and I think it possibly could be. But the fact no other tabloid is reporting this makes me think it's a lot of a old nonsense.

But if true, then sorry, if Alex wants to know how she could have nominated him, then he should ask before screaming his head off.

Kate's 2 facedness had to come out eventually, I'm not surprised Alex reacted the way he did after being betrayed by someone he thought to be a friend. Kate ought to be ashamed of herself.

I don't really see it that way at all. After all Kate had to nominate someone and she would have probably got just as much stick for nominating Jade. Also although Alex didn't nominate Kate he was quite bitchy about her behind her back to Tim.

We can all only guess but mine is that in the confines of the house they 'fancied' but didn't really 'like' each other. Though I doubt whether either will admit that now. The most interesting 'relationship' in the house this year IMO.

"Kate's 2 facedness had to come out eventually, I'm not surprised Alex reacted the way he did after being betrayed by someone he thought to be a friend. Kate ought to be ashamed of herself."

Who else would Kate have nominated that week? She nominated Alex and Jade... She got on really well with Jonny and PJ, liked Adele, got on quite well with Tim... She played one game with Alex, where she may have kissed him, and then things went straight back to how they were... The two have them struggling to have any kind of decent conversation.

The final nomination week, she spent a lot more time with Jade than she did Alex, because he was always with Tim. Alex himself said he was expecting to be up, but with Jade, not Tim. He said he couldn't work out why Kate nominated Tim over Jade... But the truth is, he hated the fact she nominated him.

If he wanted to know how she could have nominated him after that, then he should have asked, before labelling her such a thing. He didn't have the guts to do that though, and instead said it to Jade, who is as easily manipulated as him.

Let me put cards on the table first. I was/am an Alex fan and didn't particularly like Kate (though preferred her to Jonny)

If the dispute was indeed about her winning and him not, he would definitely go down in my estimation. He made it quite clear how he felt about the experience (Thursday's speech) and said that winning at all costs didn't matter to him. To then go and castigate the woman (even if she provoked him about it) would be a little hypocritical.

However, if it was about something else, I reserve judgement. If she made disparaging comments about him, his family, his friends, told lies about what happened etc... I would be more inclined to support his response. If someone made comments about my nearest and dearest or cast untrue aspertions (sp?) about me, I would certainly respond forcefully.

Once again, it seems that the demon drink has been responsible for the emotive actions of the housemates even though they are out of the BB house - that speaks volumes in my view.

As with all 'from a source' journalism, you have to take with a large pinch of salt while thinking there must be some element of 'fact' in it (or do I give the tabloids too much credit?)

Perhaps we'll discover the truth on BBLB tonight - doubt it though. Time will tell.

oh god, do alex fans make me laugh

Alex has proven that he is winging sore loser. Stop backing him up and face facts

Kate nomintated him all the time because she felt he never got on wit her, which is true. It was only in the last week that they started getting along and the truth is they were ALL getting along wit eachother in the final week.

Spencer almost certainly backed kate up cause he likes her, but wtf is wrong wit that??

Here's how i sum up some of the HMs.

Alex = Winging sore loser
Sandy = the saddest man on the planet!!!!!!!!!!!
Jonny = Too OTT
Spencer = Nice guy who just likes 2 relax
Kate = A ladett who want 2 have a laugh (Why does every1 think theres something wrong wit this? Please just go out and get a social life then u will know why she likes 2 have a laugh so much.)

If indeed this story is true, then that would explain Alex's behaviour during his interview. He did seem a little distanced and irritated at the whole thing but I initially just put it down to shock at being in the real world again. Now, I'm not so sure. I remember him telling Jade the day before the last day that 'the sad thing is one of them in going to win it', one of them being of course, Kate and Jonny or as he prefers to call the, the Actors. He may have said that not really believeing it but when it actually happened, perhaps he was a little annoyed? Not to mentioned feeling hugely rejected considering how much he fancied Kate and the way she gushed about Spencer in her interview. Alcohol and Alex don't mix and if this story is true, then here's another example.


the scrutineer

Why, are Social Lives so dire that you have to get pissed to enjoy them?

I do hope this bust-up story IS true - although sadly, I doubt it.
It's a great thought, Alex becoming a ranting anti-hero, a modern-day Hamlet, seeking vengeance against tarty Kate and Spencer the miserable gorilla. Unlikely though ... More's the pity, as I think Kate really does deserve a sharp slap on the gob, if only for telling Jonny on the night of the 1970s disco, that the way to keep Alex happy was to give him lots of female 'attention' - her niceness to Alex was purely strategic, which might be clever and all that bollox, but ain't nice when you're making a mug of someone on national TV. And he probably knows this for sure now. The more I think about it, Kate's a bit of a nasty bit of work. (Her belittling treatment of Jade is a case in point). She'll go far...

Alex is a modern day Hamlet now. LoL - Never saw that one coming - well done.

I don't know why anyone would be concerned with this article, although I should imagine an 'incident' took place, speculating on the the accuracy of the reported incident is futile. It may or may not be true, but even if it was, unless you were one of the parties involved you have no idea as to what really happened.

There is no mention of what was actually said, this is just a report about how an 'onlooker' perceived things.

This so called onlooker is quoted as saying "Alex was gutted to have missed out on the £70,000 prize."

"The shock of being beaten was hard enough but seeing Kate scoop the prize knocked him for six."

Does he know this because Alex had told him? Did he have a frank conversation with Alex about how he really felt? No, surely if he had done the report would have said so.

Treat this article for what it is, a reporter's view of an unsubstantiated event, from an 'onlooker' that, for all we know, was just out to make a few quid or rubbish Alex's name.

Sorry, Gazza71 she nominated Alex and Tim that week..

You must admit that Kate has shown herself to be sensitive to having her sexual activities publicly known:

Her worry and subsequent downplaying of her threesome.
Her worry about the remarks over the wall ' slag '.
Her outrage at being told to put her bottom away, over the fence again.
Her lament that she'd survived without stripping before the night she fell over naked.
Her lying about the details of the ' follow the van' game to the HMs and to Davina on final night.


In the last week, she had very real reasons for nominating Jade because she now knew from Alex and PJ that Jade had broken Kate's confidence about her and Spencer's sexual antics earlier in the show. He might be entitled to wonder why someone with that information would choose him over the blabbermouth in question.

No excuse for getting in her face though, if the story is true.
I'll wait to see it carried in the national press with verification, before I believe it.

"Sorry, Gazza71 she nominated Alex and Tim that week.."

No, the week she first played follow the van with Alex and Adele, she nominated Alex and Jade. She only nominated Tim once, and that was in the final week of nominations.

"Her worry and subsequent downplaying of her threesome."

I can't comment on that. I don't know what happened then, and I wont judge her on it.

"Her worry about the remarks over the wall ' slag '."

I think you'd be a bit worried if you heard that... Especially when all of them know about the rough time Melanie got from series 1.



"In the last week, she had very real reasons for nominating Jade because she now knew from Alex and PJ that Jade had broken Kate's confidence about her and Spencer's sexual antics earlier in the show."

Yes, but later that night PJ then pointed out to her that it was strange that Alex would bring this up now, when she might be going. It's hard to know what to believe in there. I don't think PJ confirmed Jade telling people these things... PJ himself knew and I think he was the one who confirmed it to Adele, after Jade had told her. But the only thing I remember him confirming to Kate was that Spencer had said something.

"He might be entitled to wonder why someone with that information would choose him over the blabbermouth in question."

Then he should have asked that question, before running off to Jade and labelling her a "bitch".

"No excuse for getting in her face though, if the story is true.
I'll wait to see it carried in the national press with verification, before I believe it."

I don't think it's true personally... But, I see no reason why you wouldn't worry about how you are perceived on the outside, and you can't blame her, or anyone else for worrying about it. The fact is, she spent a lot more time with Jade and Jonny that last week, and rarely spoke to Alex at all as he was with Tim the whole time... She had a tough choice there, and decided to nominate Alex instead of Jade. She would have looked two faced either way.

The real issue is the week they played follow the van... Remember, at this point, Kate had no issues with anyone in that house apart from Alex. Had Alex been getting on with everyone as well as Kate had been, but still had that one issue with Kate - would he have nominated her? I can't say. But the fact remains, she got on well with everyone else in that house at that stage and felt a lot more comfortable having a one to one conversation with those people than she did Alex. So she nominated him.

That's how I see it personally.