I never suggested anyone should be like me but any rationally minded person knows that you're contributing nothing to a public forum by making such rash generalisations and insulting people that you don't know.

Incidentally, I'm not old and bitter. I'm vibrant, well educated, unbelievably happy and successful - my little quip was just a joke.

ANY rationally minded person? Isn't that somewhat of a generalisation? Do you speak for ALL of those with a rational mind?

Dear oh dear that has to be the quickest contradiction I have ever seen.

As a rationally minded person (and a harmonious Libran) I have been officially appointed to speak for all like-minded people - they are too busy tonight spending their time a little more wisely.

Yep, I agree.

Given that it wasn't an isolated incident it seems odd behaviour on her part (and incidentaly his). Guess only they know the truth. (And speculate we might, but we never will!).

At last someone has thought to mention Alex's part in all this - and no-one said that Kate had no feelings at all for Alex just not the ones he thought she should have had!!! I have a daughter of a similar age to Kate and while I would not encourage her to go around having her bits touched by all and sundry,I wouldn't require her to swear allegience before dalliance! Familiarity bred contempt in the house, Kate felt relatively safe with Alex and had no reason to feel she was misbehaving. Remember that until Kate came out of the house she had no idea that Adele was as vile as she was - and Adele and Alex, Adele Alex & Kate had played FTV - so what, Kate thought.

I would never encourage promiscuity or a low opinion of anyone's worth sexually or otherwise, but I really don't think Kate gave FTV much thought at all - it was not significant to her and that's how it should be. It was harmless and meaningless - you do realise that 13 year olds do far worse under their parent's roof on a daily basis - I'm not saying it's acceptable in that case, just that it happens. Put FTV into perspective and stop using it as another stick to beat Kate with

Kate DIDNT feel relitively safe around Alex, she always maintained to Jonny that she felt uncomfortable around him.

You could be mistaken for thinking otherwise!

I think you are old fashioned, I don't know your daughter but I'm sure there'll be times in her life when she wakes up one morning and turns to the man in bed beside her (sleepng after spending the whole night nailing her), and thinks oh my god how did I end up with him last night!

So Alex is a liar then? He said HIMSELF that he gave up on school after leaving at 16 without any qualifications. He also has an inferiority complex about this which is why he attached himself to people who he was in awe of like PJ, Adele, Tim who all went to University and gained Degrees. QUOTE melbb1

Hit the nail on the head there. Once Alex has seen the footage and see how Adele and Tim used their inteligence to manipulate him for their own gains thats when he will feel the fool. I still think Kate & Alex have a lot of mixed up feelings for eachother and if they choose to not at least clear the air then they are both fools.

You're right , you don't know my daughter(s)
Four in total all very happily married ... now if we were to start discussing my sons that may be a different matter.

Hit the nail on the head there. Once Alex has seen the footage and see how Adele and Tim used their inteligence to manipulate him for their own gains thats when he will feel the fool. I still think Kate & Alex have a lot of mixed up feelings for eachother and if they choose to not at least clear the air then they are both fools.

I totally agree. At first I thought Kate was a manipulative bitch for 'fiddling' with Alex and then nominating him (which was only once after follow the van was initiated), but now I think that she probably didn't know if she could trust him as she was paranoid that he was slagging her off to Tim (which he wasn't).

In the last week she was all over him but she had nothing to gain i.e. he wasn't going to nominate her anyway, so I think she did really like him. But the damage was done - it's a shame that Alex is not being open-minded.

And I don't think she is as loose as people are portraying her to be, after all she didn't snog or fiddle anyone else except for spanky or alex - I would too!

Why was Alex so keen to jump in as quick as he did, and stop Kate from admitting to all and sundry that she cared for him?

In her interrupted sentence, she also said "thanks for the last two weeks it's been..." and he interrupted.
I also note that what Kate had to say was edited out in later screenings, and only Alex saying 'leave it at that' was left in.

We all know that the last two weeks consisted of many get togethers by the two of them, so was Alex protecting her?
Was he looking to the future outside the house?

Does Kate finishing at least two of the E4 series this week saying: "im tired and going home to bed to sleep" mean she
is abiding by Alex's wishes and covering up a relationship?
The media certainly would not want them to be an item yet, they must be aware that there is a lot of intrigue building up about the two of them, and it's in their interests to wring as much as they can out of all other stories, such as Spencer and Kate, before they 'suddenly' discover that Alex and Kate are secretly meeting up.
Or maybe it was just Alex looking forward to keeping his parents in the dark, 'cos they do not seem to want to approve.

Kate might have been trying to find someone she could talk to about Alex, but she soon found that Johnny was not interested in her need to talk with him about her problem, Johnny did not want to know what Kate was really feeling, Johnny was more interested that that Kate should stop seeing Johnny as a friend or father figure, and start fancying him instead.

The truth might have been spared in the house, but it has not been out here.

As someone who has to deal with doctors and people in medicine an awful lot......... I'm so pleased i will never encounter Mel in real life !!!!!!!!!

Maxiii - I really think you are reading far too much into things. I got the impression that Alex felt Kate couldnt think of anything nice to say about him, other that 'you're fit', he was embarrassed by this, so told her to 'leave it at that'.

As for Kate saying she is tired and going home to bed - to protect Alex's feeling? Nah, i dont think so, I just think she is genuinely tired and going home to bed!!!

Believe me, if there was ANY hint of a relationship, if they were seen together for just a second, the press would be onto it like a shot.

i dont mean to start any conspiracy theories here but i sat up and watched their last night together .......nice dinner then into the pool and shower thing now at one point in the pool alex and jonny were having a talk and it looked like a serious talk but not about them two it was about when he didnt take kate to the rich side ......i counldnt catch all the words as they were near the filter for the pool which was on but i did hear alex say somethhing about how he felt he had to keep her at arms lenght ......the conversation was in bits and pieces and there was more i heard but it gave me the impression something was going on but being kept quite ..........did anyone else see all this and maybe they can fill in the gaps

What makes you believe that she was going to tell him she cared for him? Her body-language (or face expression) when she said "Alex, you're fit......and, errrrrr........" made it sound as if she was going to point out his negative sides like whining too much, obsessive in hygine, etc... that's why Alex felt it and wanted her to stop there as to not spoil the atmosphere.

I have to say I have no idea how people can imagine that Kate and Alex are ever going to hook up in the outside world. The whole thing with Kate going 'Alex you're fit' was just that, I don't think she was about to declare undying love for him. Since leaving the house, she's clearly stated that she still found it hard to communicate with Alex in the last week and frankly Alex isn't interested either.

I remember Kate telling Jonny on the night of the 70a disco that Alex was much nicer when he got female attention. That says it all really. She was willing to flirt around with him to butter him up and keep the peace but I don't think she ever harbored any real emotion for him. At least none that were killed of by the first week.

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I think Kate has genuine affection for Alex. She always liked him but he didn't pay her enough attention so she switched to Spencer, who she knew definitely liked her. After Spanky left, she tried to get closer to Alex through Adele and showed some signs of jealousy towards her for being so close to Alex (i.e. her dream where Sophie had burnt Adele's car) - then Adele left but Kate got no clear signals that Alex liked her
From watching the live coverage it seemed that Kate was always the initiator of any physical contact between her and Alex, usually only having the courage to do so when she'd had a drink as she was afraid of rejection
Her comments to Jonny were a cover so that she could continue to flirt with Alex under the guise of an excuse - I think she was aware of her strong friendship with Jonny and so didn't want to appear disloyal or make him unhappy by suddenly becoming good friends with his main rival
I think Kate also thought that Alex still didn't like her as he kept going off with Tim when PJ left and she was paranoid they were slagging her off (Tim did but Alex didn't) - so many of her subsequent comments could have been made to protect her back
Could also explain her nomination of him, but ironic because it only served to ruin a blossoming relationship.
On Alex's part though it is more difficult to understand why he blew hold and cold with her i.e. why he hardly spoke to her during the day

sorry last sentence should have read 'hot and cold'

I agree in some parts with Maxii. I think within the confines of the house it was a very physical attraction, which grew because like maxii above said, Kate initiated it whenever she could. I am not too sure about an emotional bond though, which I think he had with Adele (conversely less physical attraction imo). I watched the live feeds and he did seem to blow hot and cold and I actually detected contempt towards her when he was stone cold sober. He would also infer things which implied he thought she was a bit of a tart. Once he told her not to touch him when she asked for massage. She persisted and asked the next day and he whined about it at first. Another time in the bathroom he was brushing his teeth and she came to harass him and he said something like what do you want? She had a tough skin because I certainly wouldn't have bothered after a few brush offs like that!

The person I observed in 9 weeks could let either of these girls go without seeing them again - if push comes to shove - although he clearly valued Adele's friendship in the house and would like to continue it. Kate definitely got under his skin in the house otherwise he wouldn't have reacted the way he did when he found out she nominated him. Outside of the house I doubt he will have a need to see Kate again.

The reason she might mention him a lot is because she fancies him, and also because she is not sure if she managed to 'crack' him. I'm not bashing her, I'm just going by what I observed of her behaviour.

I think alex was beginning to 'crack' though before she nominated him
he was being fairly attentive to her when he dried her hair - also another night when he moved the candle between them so they could talk in the bedroom and he brought her water
but i think tim started poisoning his mind (he had reasons of his own to do so as kate never paid him much attention)
and sandy/lee/tim's view that she was being manipulative was confirmed to him when he found out she nominated him and so it made him more cold in his behaviour to her
she should have just admitted she liked him - she may have flirted with the other guys a bit but never in the way she did with alex
alex did admit he liked kate albeit when drunk - i remember on the 70s night he said to tim that he was reminded of 'the sweet and sexy kate' that night but that jonny was there and his presence changed her
neither will find this out though now as the channel4 highlights never gave the full picture of the kate-alex relationship

Thank you hyacinthbee, your comments are very therapeutic to my tendency to look deep.

'cos she finished it by also saying 2the last two weeks have been ..you've been.... and then he interrupted.

Yeah
What she is trying to say Is Alex you are good looking & err...........thats it - you are a pain in the ass

I agree

I think what Kate actually said was "I think you're fit .. and err .. thanks for talking to me this last two weeks, it's made things ... "

I imagine she was going to tell him it made things easier, but he'd already started saying "let's just leave it at that" when she was at the "errrr" stage, so she didn't finish.

I thought Channel 4 OVERPLAYED Kate and Alex's "relationship" in the last few weeks of the show. They barely exchanged two words to each other, unless there was alcohol involved. I think there was some degree of physical attraction between them, but even that wasn't as much as the attraction they had had for other people in the house. Personality wise, it's a total non starter. I don't think Alex likes Kate at all, and given the influence his parents have on him, I'm guessing he is growing to like her less and less. As for Kate, she made it clear where her affections lay in her Davina interview and then when she greeted the other housemates at the very end of the final show.

I doubt there will be any lasting romances from BB3, but I do feel some genuine friendships were made in the house.