I don't have access to E4 so didn't see the programme. What happened? Did we see Alex, Jade and Tim being off with her or was that her perception? Anything from the party after the show?

it'll be repeated on channel4 at some point, the guy said at the end althought i cannot remember when.

There was nothing about the after-show party, the first clip was Kate waking up Saturday morning, reading all the newspapers. She congratulated Alex on getting the £1m deal with Brylcream too!

p.s. The E4 shows will be repeated on Channel 4 at 10pm on Saturday!

I'm all for open debate (honest) but after 9 weeks, we're poles apart. What I post you probably strongly disagree with and what you post vice versa, were reading from a different script.

We clearly all see what we want to see judging by the posts so far on this thread about Kate from Eejay etc. I can't change a persons opinion but merely put mine forward. It may seem like bashing to you but a post I strongly disagree with I shall voice my reply.

There appears to be little middle ground with the respective HM camps so an honest debate is difficult unless your face to face.

Anyway I'm off for a lie down cos my head hurts..

To Kate it was a game and the game is over.

To Jade and Alex it was much more real (dare I say they lived the Big Brother experience rather than playing it )and they are understandably still having problems getting their heads around how Kate played them both off for her own personal gain. I'm sure that once all of them have time to reflect sensibly there'll be no long term malice between them.

Good luck to Kate she played a great game.

However to me she totally lacked charisma and her victory ensures that BB4 will be even less interesting to watch for anyone who watches it for any other reason than to see people getting drunk and naked on tv.
Big Brother's always been akin to staring at animals in a zoo. This year it sank to the level of a human circus thanks to the behaviour of Jonny, Alison, Kate and others.

as the saying goes BB is always watching but in the case i was watching
on friday when they all came back on stage to greet kate as the winner i did see alex give her a hug and say congtratulations but i dont know about the other two
by kates own admission she did state she was drunk when she came out of the house

being p*****d on punch would give you memory lose maybe instead of focusing on her best moments all day long she should look beyond her own face

When housemates get drunk has always been the best parts of BB, I will never forget the Brian-Josh arguement in the pool! However, I agree that BB3 had way too much alcohol, probably because of the large shopping budget of £400! AND Jonny's best moments were on the poor side when he wasn't drunk too much!

They should bring the old task rules back for BB4, the housemates have goto bet a percentage of a small shopping budget!

Brian held back because he was being groomed for tv not having had any acting background to my knowledge, and unlike the others he has a natural talent for being funny.

Gosh, what such short memories we all have.
Jade was the one who was continuously being drunk at the start of the show, stripping off (not just "that" time) and being bitchy. Her mum was in the papers saying she should stop drinking, Jade herself even said she wouldn't be drinking after having her chat with the psychologist. Remember.....people on here were slamming the show for letting Brett influence her.
Kate was on the poor side for 3 weeks and barely had any alcohol. She only really started drinking noticeably more than the others in the final week.

Kate was never particularly bitchy through the entire 9 weeks. Sure, she nominated Alex quite a bit (he practically ignored her while the divide was up), and had problems with Jade, but most people here were cheering her when she nominated Jade so often. She seemed to be the only person who had seen through Jade's bitchiness.

Tim and Alex were swiping at Kate and Jonny constantly in their last week in the house together, Jade (and Adele) talked about all of the other HMs non stop ("Kare's a funny one.....Kates dodgy"etc). When exactly did Kate start bitching behind people's backs? I don't remember her doing it much at all.

People seem to have convieniently forgotten about the first 8 weeks in the house. No wonder Jade genuinely believes that she is "loved" by the public.

From what I could see it was just what Kare told us.
so it cant be confirmed or denied. I darnt say what i think or i will be slated as a nasty twisted Alex supporter. seems anything we think must be quashed and i was gonna make a post on the thread on the programme. But they were saying how fantastic it was........
I plead the 5th .........

We can only try, the more of us that do, the better it will be

My head hurts too - I'm not sure if it is the weather, the kids, or the fact that I got 8 hours sleep last night, after weeks only getting around 4 hours.

CPA, No way, we are all entitled to our opinions. Don't let anyone stop you posting. I, for one, am interested as I didn't get to see it. We always need both sides of the argument. I hope to see GMTV again tomorrow (my other fave Darius is on - I wonder if I have lit the touchpaper now being an Alex and a Darius fan?) Perhaps if you could always open a new thread if feel uncomfortable on a certain one?

Perhaps it's just a case of feeling a bit intimidated by approaching Kate. I can imagine that she has been surrounded by friends, family not to mention BB crews most of the time since Friday, and it maybe hasn't looked like the right moment to "butt in" on the conversation.

Who says Brian Dowling's career is lasting

Hmmmm well thats interesting, I started this thread with the comment "why cant they just get on with it. Meaning it was a game, Kate won, and thats it. However reading the replies I can see its not just the house mates who cant leave it behind, still bear grudges etc etc. LOL Come on guys, some of em we loved, some of em we hated, and we all had our own preferences. However Kate got the most votes, and thats it, but it seems Jade will continue to sell her slating stories and people will continue to slate the H.M.'s

Now lets all shake hands and

CANT YOU JUST FEEL THE LOVE IN THIS FORUM

Brian has made an ok career for himself in Saturday morning kids TV, and good luck to him. But he was a "good" boy in the house by and large.

Kate, given her behaviour in the house, has no chance of the same - not a particularly good role model for our kids, is she. Ok kids, let's all get off our heads, spout the same inane catchphrases and dance on one leg... etc.

Obscure minority channels beckon, I fear. Men and motors (she can do a piece on vans) or UK Living, anyone?

I could be wrong and no doubt someone will correct me if this is the case but........................

On the final Friday Kate seemed to have a particularly nasty argument with Jade regarding bottoms hanging out of bikinis.

I got the impression that Kate was being unneccessarily offensive and hurtful to Jade. The word spiteful comes to mind. There also seemed very little point to the argument given the short time left in the house.

I make this point since it might explain Jade's attitude to Kate since leaving the House.

My sympathies, them telephone bills do leave one in a bad mood, personally speaking my telephone bill will be paid this year by a charitable bookmaker

And they also chose not to show it before the voting in case Kate was portrayed in a bad light.

yeah, Kate was getting defensive because she was concerned about how the public would percieve her and got sensitive when Alex told her that he heard people shout that Kate should put her arse away.

She then started to compare herself to Jade and tried to argue that Jade showed her body more while being in the house than she did. The arguement then moved on to who was more 2 faced with Kate saying that Jade was not up front with people. Jade then accused Kate of being 2 faced for pretending to be Alex's friend (follow the van etc) and then nominating six times in a row.

Kate said nothing in her defense when confronted with these accusations. Instead she chose to swear and storm off and ignore Jade.

Kate handled the situation badly. She went to Jade for a second opinion on whether she exposes herself a lot in the house and then turns on her and tries to drag Jade into it when Jade gives her her brutal honest opinion that she does where revealing clothing.

If she is so sensitive and can not handle people's opinions when she asks for it then she should not have asked, Although Jade made the peace at the time l think she still holds this as well as other incidences against Kate.

From what I saw, Kate had heard some comments from over the wall about having her bum hanging out all the time or something. Kate then asked Jade's opinion on what was said.
When Jade told her own opinion, Kate started blaming Jade for having her bum out.
Well if Kate is concerned that Jade might not agree with her, she shouldn't ask for her opinion.
All Jade did was answer her question and get a load of grief off Kate.
Kate then went on to make it bigger than it should have been by trying to involve Jonny and Alex in to the argument.

I hate that false insincere smile that Kate has when arguing with someone. That'd only wind someone up more.

arrrrrrrgh - it's the witching-hour Alrightmate

and i must have been drinking some of my own potions 'cos...

i agree, kate should'nt have pursued the matter the way she did!!!

But (and ya knew there had to be one)

i think that jade was suggesting more than the bum hanging out bit and i think kate realised that.

i have always said that kate is flirtatious but it's never been in a manner i have found offessive. jade was implying that kate's body was the prime reason she had escaped eviction.

in jade's case i think there is a distinct whiff of jealousy/envy and this would seemed to have carried to outside the house, post-final.

but, hey gals will be gals - and they were never likely to be best mates anyway.

Deerd
who can't see the insincere smile bit though. waiting for the cauldron to boil - hubble bubble an' all that.

Ahhhhhhhhh! The plot thickens!

Dont forget, Deerd, that Alex had not long before revealed the workings of the "Follow the Van" game to an incredulous Jade.

Since she had been deliberately excluded from the game by the other HMs she drew the only conclusions that she could. That Kate was indeed using her feminine wiles to avoid nomination by Alex.

Jealousy/envy is probably correct and she displayed the same traits with Sophie. As you say however, girls will be girls and to be fair who could blame her? She was continually picked upon and excluded by the other three.

I think that Kate's final attack on her did seem particularly nasty and offensive. Sure her bottom did look big in those grey shorts but she wasnt hanging out of them and a lot of her humour was self deprecating.

When Kate grows up she'll find that its easy to shoot fish in a barrel.

That would of screwed the votes up....

Jonny would have won!

But she managed to get in a snide comment that implied she thought Alex was better suited to Mr Muscle or some other household cleaner!

Don't quote only half of the comment, that is where a lot of the confusion and mixed messages comes from on the BB forum.