In Adele's contestant profile in the BB Book, she claims that she keeps fit my having lot of sex. Funny behaviour for a virgin.

This is nearly identical to a post you made a few hours ago - it's now somewhere on Page 2.

Anyway, same answer: a lesbian virgin can have energetic sex by being an 'active' partner, if you understand what that means.

Nothing remarkable about it, nothing to get over-excited about.

Best to let the threads that don't work go mate. I do it all the time. The unlloked at pages are full of my useless threads......

Admittedly, she could still have had lots of 'sex', in a lesbian sort of way, however, I do find it a strange thing to say!!

I actually think she wanted to create an air of 'mystery' around herself. Either that, or she desperately wanted to put Lee off!! (unforunately, it had the opposite effect!)

Doesnt really add up does it? Having LOTS of sex and still a virgin. No, I'm not falling for that one.

Sorry about that people. Got disconnected as was posting earlier and didnt see te other threadso I thought it didnt go through! Should have looked properly! Sorry

What are these pork pies people keep going on about? Do they taste nice?

Very. But only from a lesbian perspective!

i do understand some of the differentiation being made here.

i.m just curious, e.g had Bill Clinton only ever been involved with, clearly accepted, sexual acts as performed by monica would he be justified or validated in claiming to be a virgin???

if a women loses their hymen through an accident prior to having any sexual activity - are they virgins???

how technical/non-technical can we be in determining a persons level of honesty???

Deerd
confused and unsure, but inclined to believe that adele played a card hoping for an ace.

I believe Adele, everything she says is true.

And anyone who disagrees will get a feckin' deckin

Hiya Deerd x I thought I was the only sad one around.

Adeles virginity seems to be a real point of contention. So many people on the forum seem to think its not possible to be a virgin at 22.

I find this really sad. I can only speak for myself, but at my grammar school loads of peeps were 'doing it' I had a boyfriend from 13-18 and never 'did' it. Came to london met a really nice guy the night after I arrived and didn't 'do' it for 2 years.

That was to put into context where I am coming from - I have no doubts that if Adele said she was a virgin she is. Why lie about something like that?

Maybe like me she wants the 1st time to be something special?

Is everyone so cynical these days that they do it behind the bike shed (no pun intended) on their lunch break?

LK - thinks people need more respect for themselves and each other!

I think there's a lot of confusion around the term 'virgin' as well. Adele might mean she's never had penetrative sex with a man, or penetrative sex with anyone, who knows (or really cares)?

I think in law, in rape cases, only penetration by a male counts as sex (and therefore as rape), any other kind of penetration (however horrific) is classed as assault.

So, I guess legally the definition of a virgin is a woman who hasn't had penetrative sex with a man.

Hmmm so where do cucumbers come into it.
sorry was thinking about sparagus !

LK - worrying about brain celeries ,,,,,,

i think that our posts merge to form a one, that hopes for and is optimistic of a reasoned, supportive and non-combative atmosphere for discussion of this (and probably any other) issue on forum.

i do firmly believe, that with exceptions (incitement to racial hatred and violence, minor abuse etc) one has the right to create/maintain ones own definitions in regards to oneself. - longwinded but the best i can do (actually i could write a b****y thesis on it but folks would lose the will to live; so would I )

in that context, providing she has done no extrinic harm to others, adele has the right to claim that which she claimed.

i also agree that the expressions of disbelief that this could even be true are naive in regard to the choices that some/perhaps many choose to make.

i admire your honesty, and sincerely hope it is not challenged.

BUT (there had to be one) i do think that adele used her declarations as a weapon in her efforts for success in the house.

to some extent that may seem to undermine her principles are expressed.

BUT

Deerd
who is not adele, didn't like her for many reasons, but doesn't think that using her self determined right against her is a part of healthy debate.

LOL

Well exactly...

Seriously - there was a court case in the early 90's where an 18 year old girl had (penetrative) sex with her 15 year old female partner with a sex toy and was charged with assault on the grounds that her partner hadn't realised she was a woman. As the girl was also underage, there was a problem in that as lesbian sex doesn't exist in law, consent could be neither given or withheld. It was very complicated! The outcome was, I think, that the case established a legal age of consent for lesbian sex (16) by finding the 18 year old guilty. The real 'offence' was seen to be the apparent deception by the 18 year old, although it was argued that the younger girl was lying when she claimed she didn't know the sex of the other girl. But deception in this way is not a crime in itself. Confused? Everyone was. Adele seems simple by comparison.

Maybe (lost her virginity to a courgette)



P.S. The court case is written up in a book called 'Female Fetishism' - can't remember the authors, sorry.

Sorry I cut a bit out of your reply
I too think Adele used her virginity as a weapon. Any unsavoury! situation I found myself in (believe me you wouldnt believe the situations I got into) I held onto my virginity like it was some white light surrounding me. My faith and (lots of gab) always got me out of said situations.

I didn't like Adele . but I still don't think that 22 year old virgins are so thin on the ground these days that we need to treat them as freaks (that sounded worse than i meant it too) but you get my drift?

LK - always worried about going to hell and having to confess sins ---- as I got older .... you confess then get to the nearest pub, irish (even half irish people are very pragmatic)

was that in america?
or am I thinking of another case where a girl lived as a boy for about 5 years and got murdered?

LK - reads all the murder thingys - and watches True Crime ..... help me. I just want to stay out of the clutches of these people and be happy !

No, it was in the UK, and believe it or not the defendant was called Jennifer Saunders (not THAT Jennifer S).

I think the US case you are referring to is the one which was made into the film Boys Don't Cry a couple of years ago.

Very sad film.

only quarter irish, but the pub still seems like the best safe haven to me

Deerd
if the sceptics start and i'm drinking a pint on another thread PM me??? it's not a choice i was able to make but i respect it.

i think that there are special circumstances can be added to the assault.

i think that both anal and oral forced penetration are regarded as sodomy and qualify as special circumstances.

indeed, they are often (particularly anal penentration) looked upon as worse than 'mere' [sic] vaginal penetration.

Deerd
but only working from limited knowledge of scots law so could be wrong.

Yes .... god almost went yessssss then! thats the film I was thinking about.

so what happened in your case

Nothing like getting personal !
you know what I mean though?

going totally of topic (well almost) what about that guy that was on the chat show (dont remember which one) when his male friend said he fancied him went and shot him a couple of days later.

That is extreme .but almost (well in some parallel world understandable)

LK - doesnt like guns and is not saying thats an ok thing to do but I can (almost) understand how it happened

Deerd,

I don't know the details of the law in this matter, and English and Scots law will be different, but I hope there ARE special circumstances which can be taken into account. I seem to remember that in cases where rape doesn't involve vaginal penetration by a man, offenders can only be given lesser sentences.

Hopefully its been changed now.

Maybe

I wont mention the unspoken law in N.Ireland. If you are raped and killed then you have been raped.

If you are raped and alive and report it ... then you should have fought harder.

One day things will change -

LK - lives in hope

much of the time it would seem to me not to be the inadequacy of the statute law (although there is much room for improvment there), but the inadequacies of the prosecuticutorial and judiciary bods that lead to the appalling lack of convictions.

Deerd
now getting down off her v. just soap-box. wish some judges realized that their bench shouldn't be a male orientated soap-box anymore.

In the UK case Jennifer S appealed and was released from prison - she served six months. I think it was thought unlikely that the younger girl didn't know her sex, and had been pushed to prosecute by her parents who were more outraged at the thought of their daughter being lesbian than the thought of her being dragged through court and thoroughly embarrassed. Jennifer S had to move to a different part of the country and change her name.

The chat show thing - I don't understand that at all (don't like bigotry, much less, violence) and really can't see the problem with being found attractive by anyone - whatever the respective orientations - so long as there's no harrassment involved.

Is it offensive to straight people when lesbians/gays express attraction?

Maybe