So the first two series were won by blokes, the producers made some throwaway remark that it would be nice if a girl won this one. As the male female ratio is, crikey 50:50, the fact that a girl did in fact win is hardly suspicious.


If they want a photogenic winner, I'm sure it would be easy enough to have 12 interesting photogenic people from the start. Besides, I think in fact arguments, bitching, romance (regardless of looks) is where the ratings lie.

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“3. The following should leave ASAP: Alison, Jade, Lee, Lynne, PJ, Sandy, Sunita & Tim”

Alison was nominated and evicted because she was annoying.
Jade, in fact, didn't leave ASAP.
Lee was evicted because everyone thought he was a dick the way he carried on with Adele and then Sophie.
Lynne was nominated and evicted because she was initially quite outspoken, which didn't ingratiate the other HMs early on.
PJ - dunno - can't remember.
Sandy left because he felt he was wasting his time, didn't really like or have much in common with the other HMs.
Sunita just decided it wasn't for her - she was hardly minging anyway.
Tim too was there til quite late on, and was always going to be less popular A. because he was a bit arrogant, and B. he was up against a more established, popular and more entertaining HM.

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“4. This is why the evicted people at the beginning were: Lynne then Alison. Sunita & Sandy walked. The Lee was evicted.”

See notes above...

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“5. Then a big problem occurred – both Alex and Spencer were up for eviction. However, Alex more loved by the public and would create more interesting TV (can’t be denied when compared to the boring Spencer) as he has created more arguments and is very funny etc, which makes it more interesting to watch, so out went Spencer.”

This argument, or *evidence* is particularly hopeless....so Alex only won because he was *more loved by the public and would create more interesting TV *....so how exactly is this a fix???

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“6. Another problem occurred, both Sophie and Jonny up for eviction. Jonny more loved by public and Sophie wasn’t interesting enough so out she went.”

See previous comment - same thing here - not exactly *evidence* of match rigging, is it?

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“7. Then we had four people up for eviction; Adele, Jade, Jonny & Kate.
An easy decision you would think, but possible backlash if Jade left to a bad reception as she had been receiving a lot of bad press. Possible psychological damage and so possible suing of Channel 4 and Endemol.”

Any talk of suing only went around in this sort of forum - I'm sure the contestants are made aware of what to expect, no doubt have signed something anyway, and Endemol or C4 would in no way be liable for anything. As regards the editing of the C4 shows, I'm sure they only ever showed any contestant at their most interesting - if you or I liked different housemates more or less, anyone will always be able to claim it unfair one way or the other regardless of what they showed.

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“8. Only two girls left – Jade and Kate. Kate must win and closest male rival is Alex. How do we stop Alex winning? A couple of weeks ago in came Tim. As soon as he arrived he started praising Alex immediately, complimenting him and having long talks. Alex felt he had found a friend and since Adele left Alex felt Tim had similar ideas as him and he trusted him. They had much in common. They spent most of their time together. It wasn’t long before Alex was dragged into Tim’s bitching sessions. Alex becomes distant from the rest of the group. Alex’s popularity goes down, whilst Kate’s and Jonny’s soars.”

I'm sure Alex and Tim got on so well simply because they had more in common - both from arguably better upbringing/background - nothing more sinister in that - are you really surprised that Tim didn't bond more with Jonny? Just because the group dynamic went the way it did is hardly reason to shout *fix!!!* - again, whichever way the group dynamic went, you would eventually had a winner and 11 (or whatever) losers - and clearly part of the reason the would be winner wins is down to the dynamics of the group. Nothing sinister in that.

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“9 Next eviction posed a problem for Channel 4. With Jade receiving a nomination from every housemate the previous week, there was a high chance it would happen again, so to avoid the risk of her being evicted, Big Brother scrapped normal nominations and forced the group to try and decide between them which two should be up for eviction. Alex comes up with the best idea, that the two housemates who hadn’t yet been up for eviction should be up (Tim and Pj, no contest as Tim would leave!) Tim interrupts and suggests the idea of pulling straws. This way there is a lower chance of both him (who hadn’t finished ruining Alex) and Jade (who could ruin Channel 4) being up for eviction. It works as its PJ Vs Kate. Bye bye Pj!”

I concede this whole episode was pretty dumb - but probably just down to the producers trying to mix it up a bit this year, as seen also by the introduction of the bars. if they hadn't done stuff like this everyone would have been complaining it was exactly the same, a bit boring, and why didn't they mix it up a bit to keep the HMs on their toes?

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“10. Kate and Jonny’s constant joking around starts to seem like acting to many people on the inside and outside the house. People becoming bored with their repetitive jokes. Tim and Alex up for eviction. Tension in house becomes strained due to the “Divide” between Alex & Tim Vs Jade, Jonny & Kate. Jade’s good press continues and her popularity on the increase. All the pressure and frustrations erupt in an explosive argument between Alex and Jade and between Jade and Jonny. Kate comes out of whole evening unharmed. All others popularity drops. Kate now favourite to win, Jonny second, then Alex, then Jade and finally Tim.”

Yes, the producers were clever beyond all belief to concoct and engineer such a blatant fix. Make up your mind - you say everyone is fed up with Kate and Jonny's fooling around - but how does this result in neither of them being nominated.

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“11. Tim’s job done, Alex no longer in running for winning. Tim Vs Alex eviction, Tim leaves with over 80% of the vote.”

I think this has been covered above.

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“12. We have our final four; 2 men and 2 women. Neither man can win and neither can Jade (see point 4 for reason)”

I don't think point 12. is actually even making a point......

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“13. Final weeks, without Tim around, Alex’s popularity on the increase rapidly, though Tim’s damage has been done. Alex still not favourite to win, but is expected to come second. Jonny’s popularity dropping rapidly due to his constant “stripping” off the girls. He is last on all popularity polls. Jade’s popularity rises rapidly too. Kate’s popularity is stable. She is still favourite to win”

These just appear to be general comments about the various HMs popularity - in what way are they meant to imply BB was in any way fixed?

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“14. Alex is closest rival to Kate’s crown. He must not be in the final 2 as he may beat Kate.”

This too is a pointless argument because we the public have been voting for all 4 all week.

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“15. After the black-tie dinner there is music and dancing. Alex and Jade have been having fun most of the evening, constantly giggling and joking around! They dance seductively and are very funny. Alex is enjoying himself and is very happy! Jonny & Kate go OTT and are playing to the cameras. What is shown on Channel 4 highlights the next (and very crucial) night??? Jonny & Kate!! This is no surprise as we have not be allowed to see Jade & Alex having fun or being humorous as they are closet rivals to Kate. Only the limited number of E4 viewers saw the whole evening. We know what is going on, but Channel 4 viewers outnumber us.”

Don't know - didn't see it - although I imagine by the end of the series we had seen plenty of each of the contestants - I'm sure in these forums there has been plenty of moaning about different HMs getting more or less coverage - they can't all be a fix.

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“16. Final eviction night, Devina seen by millions, wears a necklace that says, “YES” (Kate’s very annoying catchphrase)”

This is news to me - is *yes* really a catchphrase anyway? This seems very far fetched to me....

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“Brother, but should she have been??”

Um, why not exactly? Not one of your points above was any more than pure speculation and clutching at straws - no matter who had won you would have been able to concoct equally compelling *evidence*.

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“This is just what I have observed and felt throughout the series. Some people will say this is all hearsay and gossip, but you must admit that what I have said rings true and is so full of coincidences that some or all it must be true.”

Yes a lot of what you say rings true - but only because a lot of what you say is just saying what actually happened - very little of it is in anway conclusive of anything suspicious.

So yes - she won - so get over it neh-neh-neh-neh-neh!!!!

Iain

Why do people say Kate was consistently funny. Sh e was more often than not quite dull and average. She had consistently good coverage of the five minutes of interesting things she did in the day..........

Funney how all these alex fans complaining about c4 biased editing weren't when c4 did all the positive editing of alex in week 2 just to keep him in the house instead of alison. The whole weeks show and bblb were designed to keep alex in, all this he is entertaining, keep him in rubbish on bblb kept him in ahead of alison who would have stayed if their was no biased editing on the show....double standards i see, when its your fave getting baised editing its fine but whens it's for someone else it's unfair..

well compared to alex she was the funniest person in the world...

3 of many possible reactions to the 'sense-of-humour' part of Kate's personality:

Person A) Thinks Kate does some very funny things and when she does them again still thinks they're very funny.

Person B) Thinks Kate does some funny things and when she does them again and again and again thinks they're somewhat less funny.

Person C) Thinks Kate does some thouroughly juvenile things that weren't funny the first time and when she does them again and again and again thinks that she should be electrocuted.

So to answer the question "Why do people say Kate was consistently funny" ... it's because, to them, she was

'Dull and average' .... that would be Craig in BB1 I think. I'm not saying that she was dull and average (before I get savaged!) but just pointing out that it's not necessarily a vote-loser.

I think that I liked Kate best when she was on the poor side and coping very well .... the cold showers were the best bit ... she came across as a bit of a trooper.

BBG

ukfox - thanks for the link to those great pictures!

Hi,

That's a bit of a non-answer isn't it???

Don't just hit the ball back on to the other side of the net ... DEBATE!!!

BBG

You may be a master debater - but if people just want to have their say - then let them.

Oh .. all right then ... sorry abdiliya ... I must cede to beermonster and allow you to post as you see fit!

It's been nights of practice and self-denial BTW

Sorry - did I say 'self-denial' ... I meant self-abuse

BBG

My thoughts, for what they’re worth……

Endermol/C4 have used the coverage show to manipulate the viewers.

Not to influence the outcome of the game, but to maximize the amount of votes cast. This they did by playing good cop, bad cop with the housemates to ‘wind up’ the public into voting. As can be seen on this forum we were encouraged to not only vote, but to vote multiple times. All in all a great victory for C4 et al.

The only fly in the ointment was Jade. They did a bit too good a job on her and it looked like she would be evicted to a lynch mob. They knew that if she was evicted at that time they would bear some responsibility for what happened to her.

This frightened them so much they were willing to come up with a bulls*it task and go without their revenue for one week whilst they put right some of the damage they had caused.

I personally decided I would like Kate to win from about week 2 simply because she was the least irritating, although if Alison had stayed in…………

I assume that the whole concept of Alison being less irritating is a joke, right?

I agree with your points though ... that's how I saw it too.

BBG

I'd be interested to know how many people transfered their vote to another HM after their original favourite was evicted.

It crossed my mind that Kate might have accumulated the votes from Alison and Spencer (very popular) as well as some of PJ and Sophie's votes. Alex probably got votes from (the not very popular) Sandy, Adele and Tim's fans. I don't think Jade would have picked up many from other fanbases, apart from Spencer's, very late in the week.

I wanted Jade to win, and quite liked Alex, but after Jade went I felt it was a forgone conclusion that Katejonny would win so couldn't be bothered to vote again.

Is this the first year that people have felt it was a 'team' vote (JadeAlex or KateJonny)?

What……..wouldn’t you like to be trapped in a lift with Alison?

Alison is a cool girl

It's bad enough that we're both from Birmingham ...

I'm sure she's OK (say it slowly) outside the house ... but in it ... <shudders>



BBG

Alison was at the party!
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Are you on commission???

BTW - is it just me or does Sophie look particularly good on these pictures???

BBG

very good

can someone start a new thread about these pictures pretty please. because nobody can find them on digital spy ?
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Interesting thread, everybody peeps.

My two-pennyworth.

1. C4 changed the format a lot this year to extract as much money as possible out of the viewers. I would think that they did deliberately create good guys and bad guys to help do this.

2. The odds on some HMs being evicted etc were ridiculous - I think that is why Alison went out and Alex stayed in. Johnny being the outsider in the last week, I think a lot of people put bets on him and that is one of the reasons why he ended up 2nd. 8-1 in a 4 horse race is a fantastic price. I'm quite certain that betting on BB changes the game dramatically.

3. Alex could probably have won BB if he had wanted - I don't believe he was playing the game - by being himself moaning etc - he lost a lot of votes. He himself said, that he didn't want to win BB anyway and I believe him

4. E4 viewers tended to like Alex more than Johnny and Kate - got a better all-round picture of the HMs - were able to see C4 bias whilst C4 viewers preferred Johnny and Kate.

5. A lot of people who didn't want Johnny to win switched to Kate.

6. C4 didn't want Alex to remain favourite after beating Spencer so (didn't want another Brian - clear favourite situation), so concentrated on his bad points.

7. The fact that Alex won 2 of the tasks and stayed on the rich side didn't help. People warmed to Kate because she handled the poor side well and had 3 weeks of it. Also she risked her place on the rich side to go on the poor side, which obviously endeared her to may voters (myself included). When Alex was on the poor side he was at his most popular because he too handled it very well. By Alex winning the tasks he had to choose other HMs and he obviously couldn't please everybody so I think that lost him votes (eg not picking Kate).

8. When Spencer was in and Kate was hanging on to him all the time she was very unpopular. But by his leaving she upped her profile.

9. Alex had the most nominations in the House - but was kept in by the public so he was popular, but was clearly, very lucky to stay in week 2.

10. If Kate had been up for eviction early on, when she was unpopular, she may well have gone. Alison, was only up for eviction because of Spencer.

All in all, although there was B4 bias and manipulation, really it all comes down to luck and circumstances - the same as life! All "ifts and buts".

The winners are clearly C4/Endemol who made £20m+ but as it was more popular than BB2 then the viewers obviously enjoyed it. The HMs also are coming out to more media attention and "big bucks". So I don't see that anyone has lost really.

Comments welcome

If nobody believes Kate is manipulative who used her body to get to the main prize why have the likes of PJ and Spencer changed their tune about her (albeit subtly and hiniting) whilst Jade and Alex are still maintaining what they knew all along about her? QUOTE
What hints are you talking about were Spencer & PJ are concerned? Alex is only voicing Sandy's Tim's & Lee's opinions as he dosn't seem to have a mind of his own. When he did he actually got on with Kate.

It is not an advert, it is a story!
Big Brother 3 Wrap party at CC Club (Monday 29th July 2002) and

blimey if thats two pennorth worth - glad you didnt spend a pound.

like it though

I'm relying on memory here so it is not going to be verbatim.

Spencer said something to the effect of 'A lot of people have made something of my relationship with Kate BUT she seemed to get along with most of the men in the house'. According to this woman he slept with, Spencer regarded Kate as an irritant who used her body to win the main prize. He regarded her as nothing but a flirt and says he didn't fancy her at all. He's not sure they are going to Scotland together, he's not sure if she's even interested anyway. I also observed how he switched allegiance as to who his favorite was in the house. After he was evicted it was Kate. Fast forward and after Follow the van it was Jade who was his favorite and who he wanted to win. PJ was more circumspect with his answers: he initially wanted Kate or Jonny to win. Fast forward after spending more time with his mate Spanky he says he got on with Kate but he would like Jade to win because she's more 'well rounded than Kate'. Add to that his comments in OK mag. He hoped she didn't get off with Alex and it's not because he's jealous. He also found it necessary to mention she joined the 'Feed the goat' club, as Spencer had told him. I think he was trying to impart a message to people and I think the motive was one of spite to be honest.

Kate tried to keep in with all the men in the house. After she would rub her body against Alex playing FTV, the minute he would leave the bedroom she'd come out with crap to Jonny like 'I don't like sleeping with Alex as he gets all cuddly'. This from the girl who would tell him about the erotic dreams she had of him, beg for massages and quite enjoyed FTV. She should have just admitted she fancied him and would quite enjoy a shag instead of playing games and coming up with half baked theories such as 'I'm flirting with him so he can have fun'.

Jade and Alex don't indulge in hinting. They tell the truth from their perspective, and they are saying she is manipulative. When Alex called her 'a conniving bitch' Sandy, Tim nor Adele were there.

And when will people stop coming out with he doesn't have a mind of his own? Like attracts like in my opinion. You have to remember why he struck up friendships with those people in the first place. He only reverted back to his original thoughts about her after he had his way with her. I believe he did fancy her to a degree but I don't think she was the total package for him.
For the record I didn't agree with Sandy's initial assessment of her; I thought it was harsh as she seemed to really fancy Spencer. However I have watched other people villified like Mel from BB1 and Jade initially for her BJ with PJ for the same things that Kate has done and I don't understand it.

There were a lot of twists and turns in this years BB, but I do not feel it was rigged for Kate to win, but possibly to keep some of the more entertaining in
1. The first nominations were picked by the public Jade and Lynne..we all wanted Jade out. The housemates picked Lynne.
2. Sophie arrived after Sunita walked no one new that was going to happen.So a pretty girl was picked to give the other girls a run for their money.
3.Alison, Sandy and Alex were up, not alot of popularity difference between all of them, but I did feel on this one Alisons eviction was given a helping hand. By giving out the %'s prior to the lines closing.
4.Lee was evicted, because he did nothing. He was lazy, boring and slobbered constantly over the girls.
5. Sandy went through his own choice, again that wasn't pre-empted.
6. Clash of the titans, Alex v Spencer..on the CH4 BB I thought Spencer all week was shown in a bad light, where as Alex had all positive viewing. Spencer went
7.Tim was brought in possibly as a playmte for Alex, as by then most people had paired off in friendships.
8. Sophie v Jonny. If they wanted to keep the photogenic HM in, then this would have been the one, but public prefered Jonny.
9.Adele went , this was through her own behaviour and the public not liking her vicious tongue.
10.This is what through the spanner into the works..the video message. I do think this was a bad move on BB's part as at that point the public wanted Jade out. So straws were drawn Kate and PJ. Two popular HMS, but PJ's action against Jade after the BBBJ saw him leave.
11. Tim v Alex no contest there. Tims sheer arrogance gave him a one way ticket out of there.
12. So it left us the final 4. I did have my favourites, but would have been pleased for any of them to win. The public voted as each of the HMS left. Possibly Jade fans after her eviction may have voted in favour for Jonny or Kate as Alex had given her hard time in the kiss my ass argument.
Alex went, possibly his fans voted for Kate as all the tensions between Jonny and Alex, they did not want Jonny to win.
So this giving Kate the advantage, so with all her own fan base etc.. this gave her the advantage and overall winner.
So I do not think the winner was rigged, just the rivalries between the fans and each HM having a big following. Its only a theory I have, I know alot of people have there favourties and were disappointed for them not to win, but at the end of the day the rewards come to them after leaving the house. Which if you just take Jade as an example christ shes earned a fortune already so whats 70,000 in comparison to what she has already and will be earning!!!