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How Kate won Big Brother
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SULLA
31-07-2002
Kate won because she fell over when she was drunk. This was probably the funniest moment in the history of TV anywhere in the World
chrissie
31-07-2002
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“Originally posted by pistonbroke
Kate won because she fell over when she was drunk. This was probably the funniest moment in the history of TV anywhere in the World ”


chrissie
31-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by pistonbroke
Kate won because she fell over when she was drunk. This was probably the funniest moment in the history of TV anywhere in the World ”

didnt you forget this
MelBB1
31-07-2002
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“Originally posted by iain
[b]

So the first two series were won by blokes, the producers made some throwaway remark that it would be nice if a girl won this one. As the male female ratio is, crikey 50:50, the fact that a girl did in fact win is hardly suspicious.



If they want a photogenic winner, I'm sure it would be easy enough to have 12 interesting photogenic people from the start. Besides, I think in fact arguments, bitching, romance (regardless of looks) is where the ratings lie.


[b]

Alison was nominated and evicted because she was annoying.
Jade, in fact, didn't leave ASAP.
Lee was evicted because everyone thought he was a dick the way he carried on with Adele and then Sophie.
Lynne was nominated and evicted because she was initially quite outspoken, which didn't ingratiate the other HMs early on.
PJ - dunno - can't remember.
Sandy left because he felt he was wasting his time, didn't really like or have much in common with the other HMs.
Sunita just decided it wasn't for her - she was hardly minging anyway.
Tim too was there til quite late on, and was always going to be less popular A. because he was a bit arrogant, and B. he was up against a more established, popular and more entertaining HM.

[b]

See notes above...

[b]

This argument, or *evidence* is particularly hopeless....so Alex only won because he was *more loved by the public and would create more interesting TV *....so how exactly is this a fix???

[b]

See previous comment - same thing here - not exactly *evidence* of match rigging, is it?

[b]

Any talk of suing only went around in this sort of forum - I'm sure the contestants are made aware of what to expect, no doubt have signed something anyway, and Endemol or C4 would in no way be liable for anything. As regards the editing of the C4 shows, I'm sure they only ever showed any contestant at their most interesting - if you or I liked different housemates more or less, anyone will always be able to claim it unfair one way or the other regardless of what they showed.


[b]

I'm sure Alex and Tim got on so well simply because they had more in common - both from arguably better upbringing/background - nothing more sinister in that - are you really surprised that Tim didn't bond more with Jonny? Just because the group dynamic went the way it did is hardly reason to shout *fix!!!* - again, whichever way the group dynamic went, you would eventually had a winner and 11 (or whatever) losers - and clearly part of the reason the would be winner wins is down to the dynamics of the group. Nothing sinister in that.

[b]

I concede this whole episode was pretty dumb - but probably just down to the producers trying to mix it up a bit this year, as seen also by the introduction of the bars. if they hadn't done stuff like this everyone would have been complaining it was exactly the same, a bit boring, and why didn't they mix it up a bit to keep the HMs on their toes?

[b]

Yes, the producers were clever beyond all belief to concoct and engineer such a blatant fix. Make up your mind - you say everyone is fed up with Kate and Jonny's fooling around - but how does this result in neither of them being nominated.

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I think this has been covered above.

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I don't think point 12. is actually even making a point......

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These just appear to be general comments about the various HMs popularity - in what way are they meant to imply BB was in any way fixed?

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This too is a pointless argument because we the public have been voting for all 4 all week.

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Don't know - didn't see it - although I imagine by the end of the series we had seen plenty of each of the contestants - I'm sure in these forums there has been plenty of moaning about different HMs getting more or less coverage - they can't all be a fix.



This is news to me - is *yes* really a catchphrase anyway? This seems very far fetched to me....

[b]

Um, why not exactly? Not one of your points above was any more than pure speculation and clutching at straws - no matter who had won you would have been able to concoct equally compelling *evidence*.



Yes a lot of what you say rings true - but only because a lot of what you say is just saying what actually happened - very little of it is in anway conclusive of anything suspicious.

So yes - she won - so get over it neh-neh-neh-neh-neh!!!!

Iain
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ALISON WAS NOT ANNOYING. EVERYONE KNOWS IT WAS FIXED FOR ALEX TO STAY IN INSTEAD OF ALISON!
Pinelands
31-07-2002
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“Originally posted by Boutros B Ghali


I think that I liked Kate best when she was on the poor side and coping very well .... the cold showers were the best bit ... she came across as a bit of a trooper.

BBG
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I couldn't agree with you more you know. I only really noticed Kate when she handled being on the poor side and not really wingeing.

I went off her though with the drinking toward the end. I am not bashing her at all because I voted for her but I found it very uncomfortable watching her so drunk all the time and I was really disapointed that she came out of the house drunk.
gmguru
31-07-2002
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“I went off her though with the drinking toward the end. I am not bashing her at all because I voted for her but I found it very uncomfortable watching her so drunk all the time and I was really disapointed that she came out of the house drunk.”

while I believe that you should be responsible for your own actions. I think that BB should be held responsible for the amount of drunkeness in the house. It was the only diversion they had.

I fancy that a group of tea total nuns would turn to the bottle after 8 weeks in that house.
EddyBee
31-07-2002
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“Originally posted by Pinelands
I am amazed at howmuch I agree with all you wrote. It is a very thought out description of what happened and I can't see one thing in it that is false or misleading.
Well done!

So where does this leave us? I feel like a mug.

I will tell you why I voted for Kate.
I didn't have a clear winner in mind (probably Jade or Alex though) but I really didn't understand the whole Jonny hype and the only thing I did know was that I didnt' want him to win.

When they were down to the final 2 I panicked and voted for Kate 10 times (when I could get through) just so that Jonny wouldn't win.
So 10 of those 3 million votes were not for Kate to win but rather for Jonny NOT to win.

I wonder how many other people did the same thing.

Just for the record I regret my beer fueled voting of Kate.
”

Yes I agree - a lot of people seem to have voted for Kate in order to stop a Jonny win. They were not at all enthused by Kate which is perhaps why she has bombed in her public appearances since leaving the House.
EddyBee
31-07-2002
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“Originally posted by pistonbroke
Kate won because she fell over when she was drunk. This was probably the funniest moment in the history of TV anywhere in the World ”

Please tell me you are not serious. PLEASE
fruitbat
31-07-2002
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“Originally posted by MelBB1
ALISON WAS NOT ANNOYING. EVERYONE KNOWS IT WAS FIXED FOR ALEX TO STAY IN INSTEAD OF ALISON! ”

No, not as annoying as some.
Borath
31-07-2002
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“Originally posted by Eejay


Please tell me you are not serious. PLEASE
”

I can't believe I am actually agreeing with Eejay for once!

I am a Kate fan, but 'god strike me down' if Kate won because she fell over when she was drunk!
iain
31-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by MelBB1
ALISON WAS NOT ANNOYING. EVERYONE KNOWS IT WAS FIXED FOR ALEX TO STAY IN INSTEAD OF ALISON! ”

yes she was - or if she wasn't lots of people thought she was - which in this case is what, as it turns out, counts.

but thank you for your well thought out comments - perhaps you could expand your argument and explain why it was fixed, and how exactly?

Iain
fatherjack
31-07-2002
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“Originally posted by iain


yes she was - or if she wasn't lots of people thought she was - which in this case is what, as it turns out, counts.


Iain
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( wormy little impostor ) so very annoying and yet she almost dethroned the pretender to the throne, yes, allison was really disliked!
lobeserve
31-07-2002
[SIZE=3]Theres already numerous posts on the same subject[/SIZE]
sir-drinks-alot
31-07-2002
this is how kate won
Devilot
31-07-2002
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“Originally posted by sir-drinks-alot
this is how kate won ”

what do you keep posting that pic for? who are you anyways?
ukfox
31-07-2002
not funny
Devilot
31-07-2002
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“Originally posted by ukfox
not funny ”

whats not?
SULLA
01-08-2002
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Originally posted by pistonbroke
Kate won because she fell over when she was drunk. This was probably the funniest moment in the history of TV anywhere in the World
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Please tell me you are not serious. PLEASE

Reply.... I was serious about the first bit as I cannot think of any other time she was funny. I was joking about the second bit
Scarptor
01-08-2002
She is star without a twinkle.
That doesn't shine very bright

So she mingles with every w****r
to give her some delight

She drank more back tower
before stripping off in the shower

To show off her behind
Which the guys thought was divine

She had Jonny where she could flaunt it
But couldn't get Alex who she wanted

Spanky was her smelly subsitute
for Alison who had an early execute

Hey! I'm getting there ....
xen20
01-08-2002
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“Originally posted by GayGuy
Why oh why did Kate Lawler win Big Brother 3? Because it was fixed that’s why! This sound like quite a sweeping statement, or I’m sure you think I’m an upset Alex fan (but I’m not as my favourite left very early on – Alison!), but there is a lot of evidence to back it up! (This is quite long, but I think quite an eye-opener!

1. From the very beginning, Channel 4 and Endemol have been stating that they would love a female winner of Big Brother 2002.

2. Channel 4 would want a photogenic winner of Big Brother as it is good advertising. (If this isn’t the case, then why so many more attractive people in Big Brother 3 when compared to Big Brother 1 & 2??). This would mean certain members of the house should be spared and must NOT leave the house for as long as possible. These are: Adele, Alex, Jonny, Kate, Spencer & Sophie.

3. The following should leave ASAP: Alison, Jade, Lee, Lynne, PJ, Sandy, Sunita & Tim

4. This is why the evicted people at the beginning were: Lynne then Alison. Sunita & Sandy walked. The Lee was evicted.

5. Then a big problem occurred – both Alex and Spencer were up for eviction. However, Alex more loved by the public and would create more interesting TV (can’t be denied when compared to the boring Spencer) as he has created more arguments and is very funny etc, which makes it more interesting to watch, so out went Spencer.

6. Another problem occurred, both Sophie and Jonny up for eviction. Jonny more loved by public and Sophie wasn’t interesting enough so out she went.

7. Then we had four people up for eviction; Adele, Jade, Jonny & Kate.
An easy decision you would think, but possible backlash if Jade left to a bad reception as she had been receiving a lot of bad press. Possible psychological damage and so possible suing of Channel 4 and Endemol. So began the “Hate Adele Campaign!” as she and Jade were responsible for most of the bitching in the house. Suddenly, huge Media turn around. Media now love Jade and hate Adele. Biased editing for Channel 4 daily highlights, which always shows Adele badly and Jade behaving. Jade had chat with Big Brother Psychologist and suddenly a born again tea total and apologising to everyone. Jade saved and Adele left.

8. Only two girls left – Jade and Kate. Kate must win and closest male rival is Alex. How do we stop Alex winning? A couple of weeks ago in came Tim. As soon as he arrived he started praising Alex immediately, complimenting him and having long talks. Alex felt he had found a friend and since Adele left Alex felt Tim had similar ideas as him and he trusted him. They had much in common. They spent most of their time together. It wasn’t long before Alex was dragged into Tim’s bitching sessions. Alex becomes distant from the rest of the group. Alex’s popularity goes down, whilst Kate’s and Jonny’s soars.

9 Next eviction posed a problem for Channel 4. With Jade receiving a nomination from every housemate the previous week, there was a high chance it would happen again, so to avoid the risk of her being evicted, Big Brother scrapped normal nominations and forced the group to try and decide between them which two should be up for eviction. Alex comes up with the best idea, that the two housemates who hadn’t yet been up for eviction should be up (Tim and Pj, no contest as Tim would leave!) Tim interrupts and suggests the idea of pulling straws. This way there is a lower chance of both him (who hadn’t finished ruining Alex) and Jade (who could ruin Channel 4) being up for eviction. It works as its PJ Vs Kate. Bye bye Pj!

10. Kate and Jonny’s constant joking around starts to seem like acting to many people on the inside and outside the house. People becoming bored with their repetitive jokes. Tim and Alex up for eviction. Tension in house becomes strained due to the “Divide” between Alex & Tim Vs Jade, Jonny & Kate. Jade’s good press continues and her popularity on the increase. All the pressure and frustrations erupt in an explosive argument between Alex and Jade and between Jade and Jonny. Kate comes out of whole evening unharmed. All others popularity drops. Kate now favourite to win, Jonny second, then Alex, then Jade and finally Tim.

11. Tim’s job done, Alex no longer in running for winning. Tim Vs Alex eviction, Tim leaves with over 80% of the vote.

12. We have our final four; 2 men and 2 women. Neither man can win and neither can Jade (see point 4 for reason)

13. Final weeks, without Tim around, Alex’s popularity on the increase rapidly, though Tim’s damage has been done. Alex still not favourite to win, but is expected to come second. Jonny’s popularity dropping rapidly due to his constant “stripping” off the girls. He is last on all popularity polls. Jade’s popularity rises rapidly too. Kate’s popularity is stable. She is still favourite to win

14. Alex is closest rival to Kate’s crown. He must not be in the final 2 as he may beat Kate. Then we have the final full night, with the Black-tie dinner. They must give speeches about their time in the house. Alex not keen on this and tries to avoid it. Big Brother knows Alex hasn’t had a very good time and know that he wouldn’t lie about it. This was a set-up and Alex’s very depressing but completely honest and heart-felt speech was the final nail in the coffin. Jade set to come 4th, Alex 3rd, Jonny 2nd and Kate 1st.

15. After the black-tie dinner there is music and dancing. Alex and Jade have been having fun most of the evening, constantly giggling and joking around! They dance seductively and are very funny. Alex is enjoying himself and is very happy! Jonny & Kate go OTT and are playing to the cameras. What is shown on Channel 4 highlights the next (and very crucial) night??? Jonny & Kate!! This is no surprise as we have not be allowed to see Jade & Alex having fun or being humorous as they are closet rivals to Kate. Only the limited number of E4 viewers saw the whole evening. We know what is going on, but Channel 4 viewers outnumber us.

16. Final eviction night, Devina seen by millions, wears a necklace that says, “YES” (Kate’s very annoying catchphrase) all night, even before the winner has been publicly announced. Kate has been declared the winner some time before this night. Jade comes 4th, Alex 3rd, Jonny 2nd and Kate 1st. The UK has its first female winner of Big Brother, but should she have been??

This is just what I have observed and felt throughout the series. Some people will say this is all hearsay and gossip, but you must admit that what I have said rings true and is so full of coincidences that some or all it must be true.

The truth is stranger that fiction after all!!!

(This will probably be deleted very quickly!)
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Good God, yeah. Having posted that rip roaring expose, and hence posing such an immediate danger to the "status quo", you should probably consider setting up an underground community of BB conspiracy theorists, who emerge from the sewers only to vote on evictions from public phone booths in different locations every week.

You should do this now before the powers that be at C4 get hold of this red hot piece of HTML and has you assasinated.
xen20
01-08-2002
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“[i]

When they were down to the final 2 I panicked and voted for Kate 10 times (when I could get through) just so that Jonny wouldn't win.
So 10 of those 3 million votes were not for Kate to win but rather for Jonny NOT to win.

I wonder how many other people did the same thing.

Just for the record I regret my beer fueled voting of Kate. [/b]”

I think that may just be it. Kate's winning is symptomatic of the nature of BB3; simply, the blandest person won because anyone in there who wasn't bland was offensive in some way. Kate won not so much because of what she did, as what she didn't do--that is, piss anyone off too much.

Kate didn't deserve to win, but who did really? Alex could easily have pulled it off easily except he didn't hide his negativity enough, and people like to feel that the HMs have appreciated the honour of being in there. He didn't give us that, and it left a bitter taste in people's mouths to some extent. He was the least game-playing person in there.

Kate, however, was positive, reasonable, and amiable throughout, though pretty unremarkable. When it came down to it, she was the prettier of the evils on offer.

I was still shocked when she won, since I didn't recall much support for her here; then again, it goes back to my point of her not having rocked the boat; why would anyone talk about her when they had the likes of Jade?
xen20
01-08-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by Pinelands


When they were down to the final 2 I panicked and voted for Kate 10 times (when I could get through) just so that Jonny wouldn't win.
So 10 of those 3 million votes were not for Kate to win but rather for Jonny NOT to win.

I wonder how many other people did the same thing.

[/b]”



I think that may just be it. Kate's winning is symptomatic of the nature of BB3; simply, the blandest person won because anyone in there who wasn't bland was offensive in some way. Kate won not so much because of what she did, as what she didn't do--that is, piss anyone off too much.

Kate didn't deserve to win, but who did really? Alex could easily have pulled it off easily except he didn't hide his negativity enough, and people like to feel that the HMs have appreciated the honour of being in there. He didn't give us that, and it left a bitter taste in people's mouths to some extent. He was the least game-playing person in there.

Kate, however, was positive, reasonable, and amiable throughout, though pretty unremarkable. When it came down to it, she was the prettier of the evils on offer.

I was still shocked when she won, since I didn't recall much support for her here; then again, it goes back to my point of her not having rocked the boat; why would anyone talk about her when they had the likes of Jade?
cathy
01-08-2002
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“Originally posted by Candice


Exactly! Why is Kate always innocent and everybody else culpable for arguments that took place? What she said to Jade was something to the effect of 'It's not me who walks around naked you always walk around in your bikini'. It was a dig at Jade to try and deflect from her manipulative ways but Jade told her the truth! She then tried to get the boys onside by going outside whining to Alex but she didn't get the answer she was looking for.

If nobody believes Kate is manipulative who used her body to get to the main prize why have the likes of PJ and Spencer changed their tune about her (albeit subtly and hiniting) whilst Jade and Alex are still maintaining what they knew all along about her?
”

here here I quite agree with you
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