I'm still convinced that Adele, was a scapegoat and I don't want to get into any issues regarding race. People's personal opinions regarding these issue should be kept to themselves race and religion should be another forum.

In regard to Adele I believe for a few reasons why there was a conspiracy to evict her.

1. She was intelligent and smart.

2. She got on too well with the favoured housemates (in the public's eyes).

3. Her profile didn't fit the sterotypical i.e. blond, ignorant and blue eyes.

4. When I watched her, I thought to myself she won't last long the people would vote her out even if she didn't deserve to. She had too much going for her.

I believe they thought she could win BB3 which I believe she could. She was dangerous and the media didn't like that.

Whatever the reasons, we will never truly know because deep down, they who voted for her would never admit the real cause.

We will always have this beating around the bush excuses, when really they cannot give a straight up reason. I guess they wouldn't dare. So the best left unsaid the better.

and finally, she didn't leave the house for two minutes before the media was saying how Kate and Alex are an item. They just couldn't wait. So they edited and showed us what they wanted. Hello! Wake-up. Why does it have to be spelt out anymore.

Alex certainly seemed to think so. Discussing it with Tim one night he felt whatever Adele said Jade should still have been the one to go, and couldn't understand why she got booed to that level - he felt like punching each and everyone of that baying mob if he had the chance. He also said he thinks it's because she is black and that is what this '****ing country is like...too much prejudice'.

Drifting, I did'nt watch BB1 much so can't comment too much on Mel. However, Narinder was a very honest, loud character - so that could have been why the public disliked her. I believe, Adele was fairly popular until BB wanted Jade in and her out - and we had the "bias hatchet job" done on her. Tim, also was very disliked in the House and got a bad reception and he was white. I sincerely hope that their was no racial motive in disliking these people.

I do have to say that some people are more racially sensitive than others (not having a go here it is probably understandable). If you are sensitive about something then you are more likely to look for it eg if you are disabled in some way you are bound to view the world somewhat differently and be more aware of "disabled issues" than if your not. The same if you are female, gay, etc. But, speaking, for myself, a racial motive wouldn't have even entered by mind because it is not an issue. That is not to say it has not entered anyone's head because I guess if you are racist, then it would.

Rambling on a bit but I hope you get my point. If you are already a racist, or sensitive to racism then this might be an issue for you with a person. If you are not racist then I don't think it even enters your mind, unless someone points it out.

Candice, Alex didn't know of the "hatchet job" done on Adele at that time though. Maybe, he couldn't think of any other reason. Alison and Lee didn't go out to bad receptions did they.

Scarptor, wheres the rest of your post? Don't be mean and tell us not to discuss these issues - they arose out of BB. I am hiding in the other room from my kids just desparate for some adult conversation

Sorry, top of the page.

In OK magazine Alex was asked if he was aware that Adelle admitted that she she went into the house with tactics. He said he was unaware, but also said that it was honest of her to reveal to everyone (on national tv) that she had tactics. In a game where there are 12 people competiting for £70,000 that is a good idea.....she's a smart girl.

If he could understand why she did what she did, then why not the general public? It is pretty obvious that if you're going to play a GAME with such high stakes in which you have about three or four months to prepare and do research before hand that people will go into the house with a game plan.

As for being two faced, some posts on this thread have said that Adele did not confront Jonny about how she really feels.

She would have been represented as being the devil incarnate if she had approached Jonny- like Sandy did -and told him to his face that she did not like him, let alone tell him that she thinks he is a w*****.

Look at how people talk about Sandy. He was not vulgar and he did not use swear words. He simply said that he did not like Jonny and he explained his reasons why. Despite doing this, people still criticise him and say he was being rude and mean. Adelle was there when Sandy confronted Jonny, she saw and heard how Jonny felt about being told such things. She could tell that Jonny was deeply hurt by what Sandy told him.

So in many ways she knew that Jonny was a sensitive guy who wanted to be liked by everybody and she knew that if she too approached him and said that she did not like him or that she thought he was a w***** it would crush his feelings, so she did'nt do it. Instead what she did was to drop hints, by telling him through discussion that he can not be liked by everybody. He will not be everybody's cup of tea, but never the less they all have to get on with one another and deal with the situation.

Jonny being Jonny coming from the culture that he does, probably did not take the hint and it flew straight over his head!

Thanks. Some of your points make sense to me, especially about her being too smart . Personally, I think anyone but Jade to be evicted that week would have done - it just happened to be Adele. BB had to do a damage limitation exercise and made Adele look as if she was winding up Jade - killing two birds with one stone. Keeping Jade, making her look less bad and getting rid of someone else. I don't know how much of it was true and how much media hype now (without going back over the tapes) but it certainly worked.

It didn't JUST happened to be Adele. It started off where Jade was the favourite to go, then somehow the media turned it around. Alex and a lot of other HMs were surprised. PJ mentioned that he didn't realise Adele talk behind peoples back, but then PJ passed that on to Jonny. He didn't do it while Adele was present, he said that behind her back. So that is a really poor excuse. The Girl didn't have a chance in hell against someone with Jade's character whom the public obviously felt they could identify themselves with.

That's true. Personally I'm unsure, that's why I didn't put my own opinion down.There was definitely a hatchet job done on her, and I don't believe she would have gotten that reception had this not happened. But from what I've gathered from Alex he wonders about these things as he went on to explain his own experiences being half German.

With regards to Narrinder being 'demonised' I thought it was because she was quite obnoxious.

Adele was fairly popular early on in the show wasn't she?

Adele was popular right up until she opened that door on eviction night.


I became more an Adele supporter when she left the house than in the House, because I admired the way she came out to that abusive crowd. It was so bad that she wasn't able to return outside after the interview with Davina. What a disgrace? There was a lot of 'angry mob' they would have linched her if they could ... and for what? That was the impression I got.

I really felt ashame and embarrassed for how the public so called supporters behaved. I also wondered why C4 didn't mention anything about this. There are boos and there are boos, but Adele's was boooooooooed really really bad.

Scarptor, wasn't it at this time that comments started coming over the wall though about Adele being two-faced. Isn't that how the HMs were alerted about what she had been saying. I think it has really interfered with the concept that the House was not so isolated now. If BB wanted to get rid of Adele they could certainly have got someone to shout these comments over.

The reason I think they wanted Adele to go and not Jade is because they could manipulate it into looking as if Jade was not as bad as portrayed by implying that Adele put her up to it.

I would dearly love to watch all the tapes without the gaps, to see just how much manipulation BB has got away with this year.

I wouldn't waste my money to buy the tapes that they could also edit. How would I be sure that they were the uncut versions. Nope C4 has earned quite enough money for BB3. What difference would it make anyway. There would be a lot of angry people out there I bet. No..... best to leave it. Remember, it was suppose to be "Reality TV" it wasn't quite reality was it?

Scarptor, I wasn't going to be buying any tapes - although I will buy the BB3 DVD - I was talking hypothetically. You are sure right, about them having enough money already - but I have to say I think a lot of people got a lot of enjoyment out of the programme and maybe even learned a few things (I mean, now we know chickens don't eat cheese ), so I'm not really complaining. I'm just fascinated to know how much manipulation went on and how much we fell for it.

Honesty has to be combined with common decency. If I'm walking down the street and I see some people I don't like, is it "honest" to walk up to them and tell them to "f**K off", according to Adele (and Jade) it is, is it "honest" to call someone a "f**king W**ker" under your breath when they've left the room, not in my experience.

As soon as Adele heard those chants to get Jade out over the wall she dropped her like a stone.

Adele and Alex would sit at the table each morning bitching about all the housemates in turn, "he's this and that etc.." "watch out for her she's a ...... ETC....". The other housemates like PJ / Jonny / Kate / Spencer / and some others didn't. When Adele came out she said she was supprised she got booed as she thought all of them were at the bitching. She was wrong only SOME people are like that.

In terms of learning new things ....... there is a new thread. I don't want to stray off the subject......

Ooh Scarptor you are a stickler! I will go and look for this new thread. I know I am having a ramble but, as I said on another thread, I am hiding from my 4 kids who have "done my head in" all day (esp as have sinus probs at moment) and am in need of letting off steam.

DrPoke,

Yes, honesty has to be combined with common decency. No, I don't think we should tell everyone we don't like to FO but I do advocating a bit of moaning and "bitching" as it gets issues off our chest. If "A" annoys "B" and "B" moans to "C" - I really believe that helps let off steam. If "B" just keeps all their thoughts in, then they are in danger off "blowing up" ala Alex and Johnny and completely over-reacting. This usually, makes matters much worse.

I'm not sure I believe that some people are not like that, it is just that they try not to let you know they are like that. Having said that, if you are trying to win BB I guess not moaning would be a good tactic for the majority of the GBP. Some of us prefer people to be more honest in their opinions but not to the extent of physical violence, of course.

Well there are two new threads and I hope I don't start a riot on DS.

When I was talking about race before I was just putting a question over, that was not my personal view. Just incase anyone got the wrong idea. I just wanted to introduce different questions.

Drifting, quite a few threads have brought up the race issue re Adele's eviction, I just mentioned this one because it was the last one I'm sure no one has got the wrong idea.

Thanks for that, but from other discussion I have read some people can get a bit excited.

If Alex and Adele "sit at the table each morning bitching about all the housemates in turn" why didn't Alex suffered the same faith as Adele? Also Alex has survived a few evictions.

Alex didn't suffer the same fate as Adele because his fans are of a different breed. They overlook what they see as minor indiscretions, and instead focus on his good looks and other aspects they like, if he was an ugly f**ker he'd have been out along with Adele.

I don't know if would be called bitching, I have brothers who I have lived with and when they have annoyed me I have often gone and talked to my parents about them behind their backs, I have said they are really getting on my nerves and they are buggers etc. Although my parents ignore my rantings and basically pretend to listen. Not wishing to get involved, now when Jade was ranting about Housemates Adele did the same thing that my parents done, listened but not took sides, she also ranted about housemates that she was living with the same as I have done with my brothers. Now I love my brothers but I know I could not live with them 24/7 without them annoying me. How many here have done the same. The only thing I have never done is called them and f*****g w****r. But then living in an extreme environment might cause one to use harsh words.